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Anybody take a look at Freddie Grays arrest record ?

  1. ahorseback profile image78
    ahorsebackposted 2 years ago

    Guys been arrested  eighteen times before he died from neck injuries in a patrol vehicle   .   And at what 25 years old .  Really Baltimore , I can think of a million far better causes for costing millions with  rioting in the streets !   Anyone else get the feeling  inner city   criminals  just simply aren't our usual hero's .  Too bad the guy died  ,  as always ! , But  is the inner  city  crime culture trying turning him into   MLK  or what ?

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So, does his arrest record justify abusive treatment by police while in their custody?

      I don't like the riots either, they are a counterproductive way of getting the message across to the 'establishment' that not all is well in River City.

      Inner city crime culture? Is this the 'race card'?

      1. ahorseback profile image78
        ahorsebackposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Of course its the race card Credence , Its the race card that  glorifies an arrest record like that  which used to align with habitual offender .  Eighteen arrests before  25 years old ?   A six \point four million dollar settlement to his family  .     A liberal city administration that can neither control its, people , streets or its police , I say let the city burn ,  If that's all an inner city  culture cares about itself ,  if that's how they glorify human behavior ,  and account for a culture of massive drugs and alcohol day by day  and night .If that is what a culture teaches its own children ?  Yes  Credence that's racism , but not racism from the outside in . Rather from the inside out .

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, the attitude you display is the 'ole time religion'. Being a bad kid does not earn a man the death sentence. Municipal governments law enforcement and others that think that they can do whatever they like and not be held accountable will continue to pay the price in more lawsuits and the like. And you will continue to pay and pay until policies and procedures are corrected.  These so called inner city people who you compare with animals have rights, which you in so cavalier a way choose to ignore.

          As as result, we say to the 'man' and establishment that the fight will continue. Since obviously, so many of the right cannot see past its own disgusting prejudices and biases.

    2. psycheskinner profile image84
      psycheskinnerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      We aren't allowed to murder people or negligently let them die just because they have a record.  They are still people with friends and family who love them.

    3. Live to Learn profile image78
      Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think it is important to note that law enforcement should be that. Across the board. If anything was done to Freddie Gray that was illegal; those responsible should be held accountable by the same standards of the law each of the rest of us are. That is the problem. Not Mr. Gray's arrest record. His arrest record shows that he was held accountable to the law.

      Could you cite a valid reason that those we entrust to uphold the law should not be held accountable to it?

    4. willmcwryter profile image61
      willmcwryterposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      arrest doesn't mean crimal act was committted!!! he could be a popular police target. an easy escape goat.  why don't you get your facts before bashing a dead person?

      1. ahorseback profile image78
        ahorsebackposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        But you see , I did "get my facts before "........that's how I determined that he isn't, by any means ,the innocent that liberal , anti- personal accountability types profess that he is  . This is after all ,  all about anti- police isn't it !

        1. Live to Learn profile image78
          Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I'm not certain how you can come to the conclusion this is 'anti-police'. I would think it would  be considered to be about law and order. I am sure there are some who believe the term to be synonymous with brute squad, but most people are able to understand that brute force is not in keeping with a civil society.  I would hate to think you might be mishandled by a policeman only to find that it was ok by some estimations; simply because you appear to be far right of right.

          Right is right and wrong is wrong. No matter who you are. Can we surmise that his neck would not have been broken had he not been in the back of a police van? Certainly. Can we assume that if one finds oneself in the back of a police van that it is OK to have one's neck broken? I would hope not.

    5. rhamson profile image77
      rhamsonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      To think that this should be overlooked or discarded as another criminal getting himself killed due to stupidity I think closer examination in the court system is what is demanded so that future riots can be averted. If Freddy Gray was mistreated as a career criminal trying to scam a trip to the hospital to stay out of jail at least a little longer may be true. But his death changes the scenario and has exposed what seems to be a system in a failing condition. A police officer is not in charge of a criminals fate or punishment because of the criminals jaded past. Until all the conditions and evidence is examined in a court of law no one can take it upon their own to disallow the arrested person from their rights or safety regardless of their past. This is done so in keeping with everyone's rights whether guilty or innocent.

      1. ahorseback profile image78
        ahorsebackposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Not a problem ,   except that the mans record is a very much a  telling part of two things  , one , the likely hood that self inflicted injuries were a part of his demise , two  that I any many still  believe the system over the man in this instance alone ,    To "prevent future riots " has no place in ANY legal  definition or  legal process  . Vigilantism  isn't any part of any  modern  legal  process .

  2. Michaela Osiecki profile image79
    Michaela Osieckiposted 2 years ago

    These "inner city" people you refer to are living in imposed poverty and are not given the opportunity to better themselves, even when they want to. No mother wants to see her son turn to crime and drugs. No family wants to be split apart by poverty so badly that a person feels the need to turn to prostitution or drug smuggling just to put food on the table. No one wants to resort to crime to make ends meet, but when the system that's in place supports only the wealthy white folks and deliberately keeps black people out of the picture, you start to feel like you're on your own and you can't rely on the system - including police and social workers.

    When people feel helpless and oppressed, they do what anyone would do. They push back against a broken system.

    1. ahorseback profile image78
      ahorsebackposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Typical Hogwash of the left . Each and ever person raised in absolute poverty has  one right  ! They have the right to climb out of the one , the  same poverty  basket and use whatever means possible to acquire  an reasonable  income .       Why is it always the argument of the left to use wealth redistribution  to balance the  incomes of the "poor" and the those  who stepped up and earned their own way ?

      I was raised poor , in fact I know what hunger is  but the difference was  that at every stage of child or young adult development my parents  corrected our  errant behavior by punishment  and by using , at the very least , lectures of  personal accountability .   Why doesn't the left like yourself ever use  statistics of  inner city  cultures and yes  , race , ethnic backgrounds  and crime cultures and Fact to study real solutions ,........instead of entitlement solutions ?

      1. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        What a diatribe, What does all this have to do with police mishandling of a prisioner resulting in a broken neck? I guess that since it is 'black' and 'inner city', those lives are valued as irrelevant? Instead we get your 'pull yourself up by your bootstrap' routine.

        I am not excusing anybody here, I know that Gray was no angel, but he did not present law enforcement with an excuse for his mishandling, resulting in his death.

        Rightwingers are SO predictable in their thinking and reasoning patterns
        Black= bad Police=good.

        There are two colors in the rightwing consciousness, black and white. But it takes the progressive to recognise the variations in shades of gray and even accomodate the introduction of the concept of color to the mix. I see this 'all or nothing' form of reasoning from most conservatives covering a broad range of subjects.


        Not to desire to be a subject of a lethal choke hold while in police custody means that you are a liberal that wants to tie the hands of police. No matter what the police does, if the perp is black or minority, and regardless of police abuse, he or she 'brought it upon themselves' by not listening to their mama and not living by the precepts of some absurd Horatio Alger primer that does not take into account disadvantage and structural inequities that, of course, you know nothing about.

        So many people merely parrot inane rightwing ideas without really understanding how reality in life contradicts them, After this tirade of yours, I, too, have come to conclusion that you have no clue.

 
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