The US Political System Due For a Meltdown?

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   rhamsonposted 8 years ago

   With the top democratic candidate under several investigations and the GOP frontrunner facing multiple lawsuits is it any wonder that our system is broken? Is the money at the top so greedy that it wants charlatans as their candidates while the electorate rally around the house of cards they have created? Who are we as a country that we only care about what they have to offer?

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      Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Nothing but bad alternatives to choose from, so far...

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         rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I think it is a response to our inattentiveness to the system. It used to be a civic duty but now has become a nuisance for many. My question is does anybody even still care?

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            Rodeonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I think they do. They're waiting for a capable leadership maybe?

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               Rodeonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Who doesn't want a government that's run by honest people, people who didn't come into politics to make money and fortunes, but to solve issues and make something for everyone in the community to smile about.
               
               Everybody does.

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                  rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  If that were true we might have a better turn out at the voting polls. The Dems had a deplorable turn out in the south and a possible future convict may get the Presidential nod from her party. On the GOP end the only good that I can see that is riling up the party elite is their opposition to Trump. At least everybody in the GOP is not just lying down and taking it. The GOP masses are behind him.

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               rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Therein lies the problem. Waiting.

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                  Rodeonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  You're spot on. But we are just ordinary people, aren't we?

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            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            So far, 82,253 supporters have signed a petition to have Bill Clinton arrested "for clear, knowing and egregious violation of the campaign laws to swing an election in a significant way. It could not be any clearer in the Massachusetts General Laws. "Campaigning within 150 feet of a polling station, or in any way interfering with the right to vote". Choosing the critical battleground state of Massachusetts, Bill Clinton should immediately be subject to arrest and prosecution."
            https://www.change.org/p/massachusetts- … ction-laws
            
            Sanders was defeat by a 1.4 percentage in points. 
            
            I would say people still care.  It most likely cost Bernie Sanders a lose in votes.  I care! 
            
            Will Bill Clinton be arrested?  Not likely.

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               rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               The Clintons have always been a special case. Anybody that goes after them becomes a non issue, hopelessly left in the controversy or as in Vince Fosters case, dead.

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                  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I hear that Hillary still has Top Secret clearance even though she is under a criminal investigation by the FBI because of her email server.   She's not the only high ranking government official who had / has their own personal server to do official government business. 
                  
                  That sounds like Technocracy.  In that light, it is no wonder to me that the government wants Apple's encryption and codes.  (Trump uses an Apple iPhone)
                  
                  Trump is a threat to people who are a threat to our Republic.
                  
                  Mike Huckabee said that "Donald Trump represents a phenomenon of a Peaceful Overthrow of the Government."  --- And, that is what the Declaration of Independence is.   A statement that says we have the right to remove governments.  That is what elections are!

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                     rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Under an Article 5 convention we can also change the Constitution without Congress' interference. We won't do it because we have been securely polarized by our government.

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            Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I have to care because I can't afford to have the wrong people running things,

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               Rodeonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               
               
               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNaDrnxp3L0

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                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Nice clip, Rodeon, isn't youtube amazing. Kane certainly reminds me of one GOP candidate heading for the nomination....

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                     rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Sometimes I feel like we are all lemmings being led to the precipice. The corporate machine is in full swing by having their legions discrediting and jumping on the GOP's outside un bought candidate while getting ready to funnel funds into the Dems favorite establishment candidate. Both in tandem to push out both outside candidates. It really is a masterpiece of influence and money. Brilliant on their part and less than stupid on ours.

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                        Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        RH, I am still a hold out for Bernie. Trump is a component of the corporate machine as a prime example of the capitalist class. He exaggerates his ability to effect change in a government with Trillion dollar budgets. How is he truly independent? In a government where power is shared, how is just going to throw his weight around?
                        
                        I don't like the way Hillary Clinton is locking up to nomination, but it is not done yet. She is 'playing' the black vote, and I have problems with that.
                        
                        Reminds me of why I supported Gary Hart in 1984, over Fritz Mondale, who was lugging the same baggage that got the Dems so soundly defeated against Reagan in 1980.

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            Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I think people care. It is simply that we have been lied to for so long it is difficult to trust the sincerity of a candidate. It isn't always their fault. They may want positive change but it is impossible to get anything positive done within a government which has evolved into a pork barrel, you scratch my back I'll scratch yours, system.
            
            We can't change the system from the outside. We cannot elect politicians who can change it from the inside. We aren't as apathetic as we are at a loss as to how to effect the change we know we need.

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               Rodeonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               I think Deepak Chopra might help you

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               rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               I would agree with you but for the point that turn outs for these primaries are low and especially recently. If apathy is the reason then we are still doomed to what we are left with. It is the same result either which way you explain it.
               
               Perhaps Theodore Roosevelt partially explains why we have been weary of the whole system in general with this.
               
               “The men and women who are broken by the hard strain of modern industry, and are driven lower and ever lower until they accept wages which will not allow them to be decently fed and clothed or comfortably housed, cannot render to the community the services which should be demanded of all American citizens. Idleness is a curse and hard, reasonable work a blessing. But wearing overwork, long continued, destroys the body and the soul, and under-payment will achieve the same end more rapidly.”
               
               He was a Republican and a progressive that would turn the party on it's ear if around today. Here is more of his take on the minimum wage.
               http://theodore-roosevelt.com/images/re … s/o177.pdf

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                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  It is remarkable that TR was arguing in favor for a minimum wage law at least a quarter century before it was enacted. A truly great and far sighted leader, the last Republican President that was truly worth taking note of....
                  
                  Roosevelt was a visionary and progressive, WH Taft was not, such was the explanation, why  two men who were great friends eventually had a falling out.
                  
                  Thanks for the link

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      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I see IT director Bryan Pagliano has been granted immunity by the DOJ. He was former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's tech on her unsecured email server.  Now, he will be able to start talking to the FBI in their criminal investigation.  Progressive news!

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   Rodeonposted 8 years ago

   Voting itself is nothing. The voters must not be blind and should have eyes to see through the candidates and the system as a whole. If they can not, someone or the other one will surely play with them, and make a business out of democracy.
   
   It's the individual that should take charge and make the good happen. That's what we hope for.

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   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   Its looking like Trump is going to run the Neocons off into the Democratic party if they cannot defeat him.  The Neocons fancy themselves on national security.? 
   
   Still Trump blasted the Bush administration's lies over 9/11 before the SC debt, (needed to be done). Jeb had no defense.  He had said he was in the race to the end, but he dropped out.
   
   They aren't going to be able to wash the blood off their hands with Trump as president.   They will dig up anything they can, use any tactics (including assassination), and flat out lie...to defeat Trump.   
   
   Sounds like the Neocons would feel safer with Hillary as president, but she might be in court heading for prison.

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      Rodeonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      +1 (. . .in doubt)

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   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   Donald Trump is not a racist.  And, his supporters are not stupid.   
   
   Hillary does have ties with racists. The only reason you hear her pandering to minorities in the past couple of years ... is because she wants the votes.   If Hillary becomes president (or otherwise) she will drop those minorities like rock again. 
   
   Hillary's Hypocrisy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey- … 11244.html
   
   There are a lot of article links on that page. 
   
   The fact is that African American leaders are all over the news saying they support Trump.  And, they give their personal reasons over policies.  They've been around long enough to know how the Clintons are. ... and how Trump is.  They are sick of this race crap...and they are supporting Trump.    
   
   When Bill Clinton was president there was a land-slide of Black Americans arrested and put in jail or prison.  People did time for having a jay.  --  That's unheard of in ObamaLand. 
   
   The Clintons stooped low for eight years for Obama to be the First Black President of the United States.  It would be extreme to have white supremacists back in the WH.

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      Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      There is NO evidence of resounding support for Trump within the Black community, none. What are your sources that indicate, otherwise? Being sick of all this 'race crap' means that Sanders is the solution, not Trump (pouring gasoline on a raging fire)
      
      Obama won on his own right by simply running a better campaign. No one had to 'stoop' anywhere.

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         colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         If Hillary Clinton isn't smart enough to protect her email as Secretary of State, how is anyone suppose to trust her as president? 
         
         Its common sense. 
         
         I'm not your secretary, Cred.  Google is a bugger these days.

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            Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            If you cannot support your statements with proof which I have yet to find and which you are world renown for making with little or no evidence, then it is invalid.
            
            Sometimes 'common sense' is not so common nor so sensible when put under close analysis.

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               colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Where is your "evidence" for outlandish statements? 
               You make plenty m'dear...but that's okey.  I still like you!

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