Why not $ 80.00 an hour Minimum Wage ?

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   
   Isn't It offensive to call it minimum wages ?
   Why do we have to call it minimum wage anyway ?
   Why do we have to work at all ?
   Why not $80.00 per hour minimum wage for doing nothing ?
   Why not a free paycheck for my WHOLE life ?
   Why do I have to get a job ?
   Why can't my parents live in the basement ?
   Why can't I have a free home of my choosing upstairs ?
   Why not sleep in until noon every day ?
   Why should I have to have a free education , I hate school ?
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      Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Why, maybe you can tell me why when I 'google' minimum wage provisions, I find it in use in all developed nations and many undeveloped ones.
      
      Why can't I ever get conservatives to tell me why the 'minimum wage' is not needed in the American economy while it is standard issue for the rest of the globe?
      
      Why, have you never given thought to the possibility that the governments of so many nations that employ a 'minimum wage', may know something that you don't?
      
      Why are conservatives going to tell me that because of American Exceptionalism, the law of gravity is applicable everywhere on Earth except the USA.

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      gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Let's go further, shall we.  Why not increase the minimum wage to $100.00 hourly (being sarcastic here)? I wholly empathize w/you, feeling your profound angst.  The issue of increasing minimum wage is pure nonsense.  It is beyond illogical in scope.  Minimum wage jobs were instituted for those of low educational, skill, & experience levels.  Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be lifetime jobs or lifetime careers.  People work in minimum wage jobs until they gain the education & skills to do better.   People get minimum wage jobs if they have low education, skill, & experience levels.   
      
      It is very nonsensical to raise the minimum wage.  Why?  People receive monetary compensation i.e. salaries based upon their educational, skill, & experience levels.  People also receive monetary compensation i.e. salaries based upon their expertise/specialty &/or brand levels.  People who receive low pay are less educated & have little or no skills.  They are doing things which the majority of people can do.  People who receive high pay are highly educated & have high level skills.  They may have even specialized skills.  They are doing things which very few people can do.   In essence, if one has low skills & education, don't expect high pay-be HAPPY with low pay.  Poor people want an upper middle class lifestyle w/o exerting the effort required to attain such a lifestyle.  Well, it DOESN'T go that way!

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         ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Exactly ,  Couldn't have been said better !   I think people should consider the meaning of minimum wage  based upon absolute minimums  .   Been around since 1938 ! Where have they been  Grace ?

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         wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Liberals operate on the assumption that an employer is buying a person, not the fruits of their labor.  And that they can provide a minimum amount that people are worth, thus a minimum wage.
         
         It began as a counter to sweat shops, particularly in bad times, but has morphed into buying people instead of products/services.

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      mike102771posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Isn't It offensive to call it minimum wages ?
      Answer: yes, let's call it Supper special pay
      
      Why do we have to call it minimum wage anyway ?
      Answer: Because if we called it forced wage or forcing a company to pay a fair wage pay it would be either silly, too long or on the nose.
      
      Why do we have to work at all ?
      Answer: to justify uniforms (non-military) and ties.
      
      Why not $80.00 per hour minimum wage for doing nothing ?
      Answer: that will be $300 (US) for that big-mac and fries. Also doing nothing pays more just ask your congressman.
      
      Why not a free paycheck for my WHOLE life ?
      Answer: Because that would have to be a very big check to last that long
      
      Why do I have to get a job ?
      Answer: for that once in a lifetime check and a uniform (or tie)
      
      Why can't my parents live in the basement ?
      Question: if you lived upstairs how will you use your funky black light?
      
      Why can't I have a free home of my choosing upstairs?
      Answer: because life is not fair
      
      Why not sleep in until noon every day ?
      Answer: gat a third shift job
      
      Why should I have to have a free education , I hate school ?
      Answer: Drop out run for office
      
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      Why ask why?

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      IslandBitesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "This is America , stop wining !"? Maybe?

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         mike102771posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         This is America so whine as much as you want. It’s what the internet and daytime TV are for (that and cat videos).

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            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Mike, I love the humor! 

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   Brilliant questions all , Except we already have a minimum wage Credence  ? 
   
   Check it out ..............................it's called Minimum Wage !

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      Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Horse, I was of the impression that conservatives are against 'minimum wage' in principle?

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         colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I don't believe that anyone is against minimum wage at all.  Businesses on the other hand oppose higher minimum wage increases, and that isn't difficult to reason why.  Maybe conservatives tend to defend businesses?
         
         Example: I have read that Wendy's plans to move toward automated service to avoid the minimum wage increases in California, which is the direction wage increases is heading. Robots increase income!  Less jobs.  More people on welfare...thriving nanny state and more government control.   
         
         Common sense and economics should both be applied.

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            gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Definitely. However, some people fail to realize this.  They want EVERYONE TO live a middle, upper middle & even upper class lifestyles.  I do too but people have to be qualified educationally & skills wise if they want to live such lifestyles.  They have to attain the necessary level of education, a major in an in-demand specialty, & commensurate skills.  In essence, I want ALL AMERICANS to have a middle, upper middle, &/or upper class lifestyle but they have to EARN it, not have it HANDED to them on a silver platter.  C'mon now!
            
            Now that I am on the subject at hand, people have to stop have mindsets, philosophies, & stop making negative choices which will result in being low income.  If people don't want to be low income, stop having a fatalistic, passive mindset- thinking that society & the government should socioeconomically give them the good life; stop having a negative view about knowledge & education- believing that being smart & intelligent is uncool, unhip, & for nerdy people, studying is irrelevant, pursuing higher education is a waste of time & not for someone in their socioeconomic class & that street credibility is more authentic than to attain an education; don't have a mindset & philosophy of immediacy, think of the future; don't get married nor have children before being financially, emotionally, & psychologically prepared-to that, also add educationally prepared; don't adopt a survival, struggling mindset but one of success, thriving, & abundance; don't associate w/ poverty-minded friends, associates, & family, & lastly, don't have more children than you can give a comfortable, opportunities filled life to.

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               Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               All this you say may well be true, but if we listen to the conservatives there would have never been a justification for a minimum wage increase. That is not correct, where is the line drawn? People should not expect to live lavishly on the minimum, but to do nothing year after year defeats the purpose of why it has been necessary to protect the worker, avert exploitation by capital and not leave the taxpayer having to pick up the tab in social services costs based upon a wage floor that is inadaquate.  We have been talking about these concepts and principles since the thirties, so what is new?

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                  wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  "where is the line drawn?"
                  
                  At a point allowing minimal living conditions for the worker.  At a point truly reflecting the value (determined by free market) of the products of the labor. 
                  
                  To go far beyond that, as the right demands, is counter productive for both the person working and the culture.

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                     Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     I disagree
                     
                     You never answered me the question as to why all industrial nations use the minimum wage. They don't seem content to rely on your 'free market'.
                     
                     Problem with that is that the free market is not always the best determinant of   minimum living conditions for the worker.
                     
                     The sweatshops and conditions imposed upon labor in  the early 20th century
                     will attest to that.

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                     rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Unfortunately your "free market" system has been perverted into a global market whereby labor goes to the lowest denominator. A race to the bottom whereby our domestic labor force is required to compete for jobs sweat shop countries ace the American worker out of. "free market" mentality is what is driving the TPP and other agreements whereby the workers are marginalized to live at below our standard of living and will drive services down with it as the worker has to exit the higher tax bracket that supported the services.
                     
                     It is a ridiculous race that conservatives refuse to address by simply saying we need to work harder to make up for it. Compare costs of living and then tell me where anyone can make up for it?

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                        colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        NAFTA, under Bill Clinton, is where the American Dream went into a downward landslid.  Bush didn't reverse it, Obama didn't revere it. TPP will be even worse, and Hillary is all for it!
                        
                        Trump and Bernie are the only ones talking any sense at all on foreign trade policies.

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                           rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           +100,000,000,000

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            Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, but conservatives have resisted any increase in that wage since inception in the late 1930's. While 25 cents an hour may have been adequate in 1938, if you really complained about raising it commensurate with inflation and rising prices as was necessary, you may say you that you are for it in theory but it has to be obvious that you are against the concept in practice.
            
            Mimimum wage increase or no, don't be bamboozled by corporate America, the automation of the fast food industry is inevitable once the technology to make it possible is at hand. The reality is that they do not want to have to pay anyone for the work that is done more cheaply and effectively by robots.

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               colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               No, I am not against the concept of minimum wage increases at all. I don't know anyone that is against it.  I do know that the minimum wage is $9.00 per hour in my state (a Democratic state), and it will be going to $9.50 soon.  A .50 increase to help with the rising costs of inflation is reasonable and sensible in my opinion. It would be great if it could be more!   
               
               I don't have anything to do withit.
               
               The technocrats that manufacture the technology will be making a killing.  Big corporate lobbyists will win over manpower, the people will get the boot in the end with the way its going now. This minimum wage war is just a distraction to pit people on either side against each other, its been going on for ages and never ends.
               
               Technocracy rising!

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                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah, but the national wage is still about $7.65/hour. What I have read is that the conservatives do not want to change it and see no justification for changing it.
                  
                  I say that $10.00/hour is a reasonable national standard with higher standards set by states and municipalities based upon cost of living in their areas.
                  
                  Yes, the technocrats are winning, but that does not mean that I have to support slave labor in the meantime. The war between capital and labor has been ongoing since the nations' industrialization (125 years ago). But for us all to survive, fairness must be the base of discussion. Check history of relationships between labor and capital during the first third of the twentieth century...
                  
                  My theory basically says that low skilled labor will ultimately be automated out of existence. I see a great many unprepared people being displaced. There will be a tsunami of anguish that had no equal anytime before.

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                     colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Yeah, but?   
                     
                     The corrupt establishment doesn't give a flying rip about us.  We are in this together against corporate government.

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                        gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        In elementary school, I was taught the importance of attaining a high level of education, a college degree.  I was further told that in the foreseeable future, there would be automation of jobs, particularly low wage/low skill jobs.  I was told that if one isn't educated, there would be a bleak job future.  My late parents (blessed be their souls) taught me how people in low skilled & low wage jobs suffer & will increasing suffer in the future because they will be displaced by jobs.
                        
                        Society & the corporate government can't be blamed for this occurrence.  Who told the people to be educationally thus socioeconomically unprepared?   People tend to organize & strategize regarding their educational & socioeconomic future.  They do not want to extend themselves educationally.  Those who were educationally thus socioeconomically unprepared had a high school diploma at the highest.  They did not want to pursue further education as the process would take FAR TOO LONG.  They took the easy way out & NOW they are paying for that decision. 
                        
                        Four decades ago, my late mother informed me that in the future, there are going to be TWO socioeconomic classes- THE VERY RICH & THE VERY POOR, NO MIDDLE CLASS IN SIGHT!  She & my father further stated that in the future, even a Bachelor's Degree will be synonymously to a high school diploma.  In order to break even in the job & socioeconomic market, one must have at the MINIMUM, a Master's Degree.   A Bachelor's Degree is not even an assured guarantee as far as job & socioeconomic future & stability go.  Many w/Bachelor's Degrees are floundering, even sinking in terms of jobs & socioeconomic leverage.   In order to enter entry level professional jobs, one must have a Master's Degree.  If one wants a career, currently h/she must have a Ph.D. or a specialty.  One has to have an in-demand knowledge & specialty in order to thrive job-wise, career-wise, & socioeconomically.
                        
                        One has to be.....PREPARED.  One must keep reading &  abreast of trends in education & jobs.  One can't approach life in a haphazard fashion.  One must be willing to sacrifice & do the hard work necessary to attain the highest level, most relevant education possible.   Those who choose the easy way out, suffer in the end job-wise & socioeconomically.   If a person decides not to pursue education, take a job & is phased out, it's not the corporation's fault but his/her fault.   One must constantly study & be prepared, &........ADAPT!   To paraphrase a  healed Russian soldier during the upcoming Russian Revolution of 1917 who said to Lara Antipov & Yuri Zhivago when they asked what they were going to do, the healed Russian soldier warned them that they had better adapt themselves.  Same words here, people had better adapt themselves to change, not settling but ever educating themselves & seeking/creating new opportunities in their lives. 
                        

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               gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Good morning, Credence sir.   Yes, your argument is conclusive in scope; however, many low skilled jobs are undergoing automation.  This will be a sad reality in the future.   Yes, there should be a decent wage but minimum wage jobs are stopovers to better jobs.  Minimum wage jobs aren't or shouldn't be permanent stations in life. 
               
               Increasing computerization are going to do away w/minimum wage jobs.  Not only minimum wage jobs but lower wage service & clerical jobs.  Such jobs will be done by machines.  In postmodern, computerized society, a college degree will be the minimum basic level of education for a basic job.  For higher level, more specialized jobs, one needs to have an in-demand specialty &/or an advanced degree.  Even w/a basic bachelor's degree, there is no guarantee of finding a solidly middle(middle level of the middle class) class job.  With bachelor degreed college graduates being en masse, many will have lower middle income, even upper lower income jobs-sad to say but an undeniable fact of life.  In order to have a job at an upper middle class level, one must major in a specialty that is in demand or better yet, an advanced degree.  Otherwise, it will be a no win situation.
               
               With the increased computerization in jobs, those who have no advanced nor relatable skills/education will be relegated to the new poor, even underclass.  There is no escaping this.  There is a book called WHEN WORKS DISAPPEARS: THE WORLD OF THE NEW URBAN POOR by William Julius Wilson.  This book elucidates in great deal what will happen as society becomes more computerized & technologically advanced & people can't, don't, & won't adapt to such advances.  I read this book about many years ago.  This prophecy is becoming so true.   There is another great book called POWER SHIFT by Alvin Toffler . This book describes what is currently occurring in the 21st century.   In essence, the premise of the book is those w/ the in demand education & skills will thrive-thus becoming "the fast" while those who don't are becoming the "slow" & are left behind, oftentimes sinking..

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                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Morning to you, Grace
                  
                  There was a time, you and I remember when summer jobs paid these wages for teens and young adults. Today, adults are supporting themselves on such wages. I don't think that was ever the intent. Like I told Colorfulone, in a previous post, people who are not properly prepared to face new economic realities are in trouble.
                  
                  You're on target about the future. So what do we do as a society to avoid it. It is a powderkeg to have too many people around begging because they cannot support themselves and those that have the means cannot really rest in peace because of it.
                  
                  These transitions are not new, similar ones were faced when the US went from an agrarian economic to an industrial one. What happened to the blacksmiths? This new reorientation is going to be many times more far reaching, having the potential of leaving a larger swath of permanent, structurally unemployed in its wake.
                  
                  We should as a nation, government and industry, should invest in our people and change curriculum at the high school level, and invest in trade schools teaching the up and coming about skills that are viable in the new economic paradyme. They are doing a great deal of this sort of preparation in Germany, for example, with some degree of success.

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                  rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  "Yes, there should be a decent wage but minimum wage jobs are stopovers to better jobs.  Minimum wage jobs aren't or shouldn't be permanent stations in life."
                  
                  But that is what they are becoming as the higher paying skilled jobs are being shipped overseas. The cycle is showing the US is shipping out jobs and importing more of the products they would be producing. The result will eventually be the US losing the ability to buy what they are importing. The virtual cycle has been essentially eliminated as the money goes to the top and the bottom is broke.

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      gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Ahorseback, poor people in America want the solidly middle, even upper middle class lifestyle.  What?  If one isn't educated & have low skills, expect a low paying job.   Minimum wage is for minimum education, skills, & experience.  One can't  expect to earn a high wage if h/she isn't educated, skilled, or inexperienced.  It is all simple mathematical deduction.   If a person IS a high school graduate w/o any discernible skills nor experience, I should expect a job that pays $40K per annum.  A minimum wage is more up HIS/HER alley. 
      
      Many  want this minimum wage increase.   I DON'T.  Minimum wage jobs are a stepping stone, not a lifetime career.  Many people start in minimum wage but leave after they got their education, skills, & experience.  Some are even promoted from such jobs.

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   
   
   Just what is it that the left doesn't understand about  minimum wage ?   Oh ..........I'm sorry  that's a socialist robot !

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      gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The robot is so cute.  Bet the robot doesn't have a nasty attitude when fixing food or serving customers like some humans do....oh well......let's get to the discussion at hand......
      
      The Left FEELS that human beings shouldn't be paid poverty wages.  The Left further asserts that EVERYONE, no matter how uneducated, unskilled, &/or inexperienced should have AT LEAST a middle class lifestyle.  Please, GO FIGURE this one out! 
      
      NOW, back to reality.   If one wants a decent, middle class lifestyle, one must have the prerequisite education, skills, &/or experience.   One cannot obtain a middle class level job if h/she is uneducated, unskilled, &/or inexperienced.  In essence, 1+1=2 &  0-0=0.

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         colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I'm reading your posts, Grace. You make total sense to me.

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            gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Why thank you kindly!

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   Alternative Primeposted 8 years ago

   WHY Not an $80.00 Minimum WAGE?
   
   Here's the Truthful ANSWER to this question ~ Because the Average Employee (SLAVE) usually works "LONG & Hard" enough at his/her JOB to easily earn $80.00 Per HOUR, while his/her BOSS Chief Executive OFFICER Does NOT ~
   
   The "Intrinsic VALUE" of a Human Being's time on this Good EARTH is much MORE then $80.00 per hr.
   
   When is the last time you saw a CEO BREAK his/her Back when lifting a CONCRETE Slab? Or Cleaning a Toilet on his/her Hands & Knees, or Use a Sledge Hammer, or Wash Cars all day, or Dig a Ditch, or Fix the Plumbing in a Hotel?
   
   That's what I though ~

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      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The CEO's are cashing in big time, its the chic-trend to the end!

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      wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      And can the products of a burger flipper working for an hour be sold for the cost of the materials, equipment, building, taxes, etc. PLUS the $80 labor charge?
      
      No?  Then his labor is not worth that.  Very simple, actually, because the employer isn't buying the worker; he's buying the fruits of that workers production.  Something apparently difficult for the liberal to understand, but quite simple in reality.
      
      And yes, the CEO of the last company I worked for was often found lifting concrete, using a sledge hammer and digging ditches.  Small company, but does that make a difference?

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         Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         That "Burger Flipper" that you so Condescendingly refer to constitutes the MAJORITY of Americans who will inevitabely be VOTING Democratic in November as opposed to the MINORITY of "Preciously Incompetent CEOs ~ And YES, if said Burger Flipper "FLIPs" for McDonald's or Burger KING or In n' OUT, he/she deserves a much HIGHER Wage at the EXPENSE of the OWNERs / CEOs
         
         YES of course SMALL Companies are evaluated differently ~ Let me know if you ever find Irene Rosenfeld the CEO of Nabisco "Digging a DITCH" and please take a PICTURE of that event if you catch her ~ Her Grotesque Salary? Reported at 20 MILLION and guess what? She feels the need to SHIP Hundreds of JOBs OUT of the Country for "BOTTOM LINE" Reasons ONLY ~ ~ Nice ~ ~ YOUR FAILED Capitalistic Society in Full Color ~

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            wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Of course "at the expense of the owner" means for a negative return and very quickly no business or job. 
            
            But of course that isn't to be discussed; there is ALWAYS more money to be taken out of a non-existent profit margin isn't there?  The liberal mind is indeed a fascinating thing to watch in action!

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               Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               A Business OWNER Without a Plausible "BUSINESS Plan" or with the SOLE Intent of Becoming "WEALTHY" on the Backs of Employees (SLAVEs) shouldn't be in business anyway ~ It's a Blatant "PERVERSION of Capitalism" ~ Just like the Doctor who is FORTUNATE enough to Attend Medical School with the Primary Reason  of ATTAINING "Material GOODs & Status" ~
               
               The Greed Driven days of a Tiny MINORITY "Hoarding OUR Wealth" at the Expense of the Majority are Long GONE ~

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                  wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm sorry, but reality says NO burger business can survive paying $80 per hour for labor.  Just reality, but you live in a dream world, don't you?  Where endless money can always be taken from someone else and you can give away as much as you wish while business owners should receive nothing. 
                  
                  It's called Greed, with a capital G, but that doesn't seem to bother the liberal that pretends their own greed doesn't exist.  In the imaginary world of utopia, everyone can have whatever they wish, and without producing anything of value to trade for it.

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                     gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!!!!!!!!

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                     Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     SORRY wilderness, but McDonald's NET Profit for the 4th QUARTER in 2015 ALONE was a staggering $1.2 BILLION ~ That's BILLION ~
                     
                     Where's that money goin' I wonder? It's sure NOT getting funneled back into the COMMUNITY or being used to ENHANCE the Quality of LIFE for the SLAVEs who made that Grotesque PROFIT Possible ~
                     
                     I know you consider McDonald's Employees just "SIMPLE Burger Flippers" but they are also HUMAN Beings who deserve a "FAIR Slice of the PIE" NOT a Measly French Fry ~

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                        wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Which has absolutely nothing to do with paying all workers $80 per hour.  You DO realize that don't you?  Or is that fantasy of unlimited money just too strong for your mind to comprehend?
                        
                        That burger flippers are human beings is obvious...as is that they aren't producing products that can support $80 per hour wages.  But that doesn't matter, does it - we'll just pretend that the fruits of their labor are worth 10 times what they can actually bring in and kill all the jobs with our grandiose plans for a utopia on earth.
                        
                        But I have to ask: if we're going to pay 10 or 15 times what a product is worth, why require a product at all?  Just steal enough from evil business owners to GIVE everyone a quarter million each year.  We don't need workers to product cars, homes, electricity or even burgers; they all grow on trees for easy picking!  And we certainly don't need businesses to provide buildings, equipment, expertise, capital, etc. to make those things.  The liberal mind is fascinating - one must wonder how they manage to tie their own shoes in the morning.
                        
                        "It's sure NOT getting funneled back into the COMMUNITY or being used to ENHANCE the Quality of LIFE for the SLAVEs"
                        
                        Oh?  Ever hear of Ronald McDonald Houses?  Hint - they're all over the country and there is no charge for using one.  I did myself, when just starting out and our small child required hospitalization far from home.

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                        wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Can liberals do basic arithmetic?  There are 1.7 million McDonalds employees worldwide.  1.2 billion divided by 1.7 million is 705 dollars per employee, or just 34 cents per hour.  I don't think that even you can turn that extra, using 100% of profits and leaving 0 for owners, into $80 per hour.  Except, of course, in your imagination.

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                           Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           Do CONservatives understand there are 4 Quarters in a YEAR?

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                              wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                              OK, $1.36 per hour.  Does that make $80 by your funny math?  Even given that few people earn only minimum wage, does it come up to $80?

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         gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!!!!

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            ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Couldn't agree more ! 
            
            
            At what point is it  justified to fire three people and  buy the damned robot .    How about Right Now ?

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               wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Being done.  More and more Mickie D's are going automated; it won't be long until there is nothing but a janitor and mechanic in the place.

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   
   
   Low wage Window cleaners .

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