Computer experts find suspicious voting in favor of Trump

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promisemposted 8 years ago
Computer security experts say they have evidence that results were hacked or manipulated in three key states that emphasize electronic voting.

"In Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000."

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 … sults.html
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It's worth mentioning the name of Reince Priebus, Trump's new chief of staff and RNC chairman. He was previously the Wisconsin Republican chair.
  
  He and Scott Walker, the Republican Wisconsin governor, have great influence over the state elections there.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your party would still be 64 electorals short.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  As the article points out, the three states would swing the election in favor of Clinton. And those are just the three states they have identified so far.
  
  Trump would end up with 260 and Clinton would have 278.
  
  Regardless, do you believe any voting irregularities favoring either candidate should be investigated?
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You mean like dead people voting democrat in chicago? Whats to investigate? Everyone knows it. Been happening for decades. Old news.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Even if what you say is true, which most non-partisan experts say is not, you can't compare a local election with a national one.
  
  I guess you don't think people hacking our presidential elections is a problem. OK, we're clear.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Gosh im still waking up here. Need more coffee if I had it. I see. I see now. You are just interested in finding vote irregularities, but only if they favor your ideology.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you do. "Do you believe any voting irregularities favoring EITHER candidate should be investigated?"
  
  Yes or no?
  
  FYI, I can't take back my votes for Reagan and Romney.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  We are kind of jumping the gun here. Both your links contain a "ny" in them. Im not sure if you are aware of it yet but lately there has been a lot of "fake news" and fake news sites. Have any of the two sites you have linked to been cleared by Google or Zuckerburg?
  
  Obey
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think any voting irregularities favoring EITHER candidate should be investigated?
  
  Yes or no?
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That is obvious, Promisem, irregularities in the tabulation of votes is only applicable when complaints are made by Republicans. These rightwing types are people without principle and winning, fair or foul, is all that matters.
  
  So, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a response as it could prove lethal for you.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Holding ones breath till they get what they want sounds like the mentality of trump protesters.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Investigated by who? Brian Williams? The eff bee iii? Is Chelsea still a reporter on Sesame Street? Maybe Geraldo can look for votes in Capones vaults. We can get Holder to look into it.
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Would you really be so flippant about it if Democrats responding in the same way about GOP accusations of dead people voting, or racial minorities being bussed around town to cast their ballots more than once? I am sure under those circumstances, you would find credible investigators.
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  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  All of that is evidenced by Democrats caught on video by Project Veritas Report. James O'Keefe has filed a complaint against the Clinton Campaign and DNC for voter fraud and election fraud.
  
  Not to mention in-sighting protests, riots and violence, which Trump filed a lawsuit against Clinton and the DNC.
  
  Hillary conceded instead of contesting because of the mountain of evidence of racketeering and collusion. Whoever, is carrying on, is just carrying on to make waves, headlines to earn money, and spread rumors and more lies. Its so divisive and typical!
  
  Undercover DNC Rigging and more...
  * http://hubpages.com/politics/forum/1384 … -election-
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What does that have to do with the question? Do you favor computer hacking of national elections?
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  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What no reply to facts? Proof!
  Not on this thread. It was Russia.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  
  It could be Russia. After all the incompetence of emails and smartphones by Hillary and I guess Obama's emails or texts were involved too but not 100% sure. If they run our elections like Hillary runs her emails and smartphone, who couldnt hack us? My grandpa?
  
  But then we have to take into consideration, that the same dunderheads that would try to blame Benghazi on an obscure youtube video with 12 views and 3 likes, would likely blame the loss of an election on the Russians are coming story.
  
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Not flippant but realistic and pragmatic. I was in the election for the entertainment. I enjoyed watching " as little drops of truth fell from the eyes" of cokie, savannah and andrea. Then I laughed as ...
  
  tried desperately to figure out how hillary could still win if she has a path down the yellow brick road of electorals. Then a house of electoral votes landed on hillary.
  
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  How about those droplets of truth from Rush, Bill or Sean?
  
  So, we find that the Wizard of Odd, is in fact an Orange tinged anomaly, behind the curtain.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Itsa valid point. I dont get Fox news, however, just broadcast. I think it is common knowledge that Fox has a conservative lean. Just as CNN is left. But now its just accepted that ABC and NBC are not just in bed with hillary but having how shall we say, avoir des relations sexuelles? So this is concerning that long established broadcast tv news stations have such ill repute, because of who, unsuspectingly might be influenced. Voting irregularities seems trivial and partisan to me by comparison.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Is he really a shade of oompa loompa? Or is it mostly an effect? Look at the backdrop and tones of the VP debate
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You know Phoenix, another personage that gotmy attention was was Nostradamus.
  
  He predicted in his quatrains the rise of the 'Great Orange One, as the father of tyranny and distress for the entire world. I have never been good with astrology, but based on how the planets would be aligned, such a alignment would not occur until 2017. That is pretty prophetic.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Gotta link to quatrain of great orange one? Not biggy on Nostra. Btw who won the Kennedy Nixon debates.
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  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I am exaggerating a bit, Phoenix, about the Orange One, for a little levity.
  
  You have to check him out though, he has been wrong about a great deal. But, in the late 1980s, I got fixated over him and his predictions. I went to the Denver Public Library in 88, trying to see if this guy was just hype or not. I pulled a book published in 1911 that had Notradamus' predictions in it. I saw his reference to the rise of Hitler, describing the nature of this 'tyrant of the future' and his geographical location. Identifying him by name, but misspelling it as HIster. Back in 1911, Hitler was politically irrelevant. That was interesting, no Monday morning quarterback stuff, so how did he know?
  
  As for the Kennedy /NIXON debates it depends, did you hear it over the radio, or watched on television?
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly on debates. I felt and its mostly just a feeling, but when Perot was running and then Mccain later it looked like to me that the other candidates, including republicans in the case of perot, looked in technicolor, whereas Mccain and Perot looked like they were robbing a liquor store on closed circuit. I had no intetest in Mccain at all. Perot and the admiral were just odd. But I could swear the images on tv were being manipulated. Itsa pet theory. But yea gotta look into Promisems voting irregularities pdq. I dont wanna mess his thread. Promisem is okay. Hope all yall have a good T-day.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Still won't answer the question ...
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It's something called the Federal Election Commission.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Did I vote for them? Or could I have voted for them? In any deal like dc is there a fox that aint guarding the henhouse? They all crooked as a dogs legs... But most importantly from the top down.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Is your answer to my repeated questions yes or no?
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Are we going to look into all the campaign money of dnc and hillary? Can I cross examine some dead people in chicago? If I were to guess who has been the most guilty of voting fraud recently and historically I would say the democrats are. Do I believe there would ever be an honest investigation into more than likely both sides cheating? Not in my wildest imaginations. Therefore the point is moot, for me anyway. Its like asking me who is the bad guy Manson or Hitler. Get real Promisem. Bring me some reports/accounts/eyewitnesses where. Trump votes were turning into hillary votes. You are not interested.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I am interested in you answering my simple yes or no question.
  
  If there was hacking, people who refuse to answer the question must mean they are OK with Russian intelligence hacking our national elections as long as their party's candidate is the winner.
  
  Which also means that a winning candidate is more important to some people than the U.S. Constitution they claim to love.
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  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I think you have grossly overstated what the news media has reported on this, but if there is some evidence which validates the suspicion it should be looked into. I do not believe the Obama administration sees any merit in this; at this stage.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  
  You didnt mention the Russians in your first post.
  
  It sounds like a plot.
  
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  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well, voter fraud is usually done by democrats. It would be very odd to see voter fraud from the republicans. Or Trump because the republicans weren't really on his side until after the election.
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  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  This is on point!
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly. What, there is an allegation of voter fraud regarding Trump voters? Hey welcome to our world, where you been the last half century.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Where is your proof? Trump's tweets?
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Spoken like a loyal Republican.
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  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  
  I'm not a republican. I'm an independent. Your statement is typical of those who don't get a rubber stamp to their opinions.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Someone who makes broad generalizations of another party is not an independent, i.e., "voter fraud is usually done by democrats."
  
  Real independents are objective, open minded and see both the strengths and the weaknesses of each party.
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  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I'll point out again what I have already stated, repeatedly. Every incident of voter fraud I have heard of in my lifetime is done by democrats. I suppose I can be one sided and insist that the republicans must do it just as often but that is difficult since I haven't heard of any. When the number of incidents by one side come close the number by the other I'll change my mind.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Heard from whom? Proven how? This fake news rumor has been thoroughly investigated and debunked.
  
  http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps … ud-claims/
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  And you people are actually serious , BOOOooooo !, Watch out everybody ,the election ghosts are sneaking about . I have come to realize one thing , If it wasn't for conspiracies ,fantasies , fallacies and liberal newbies like yourself , elections would actually be booooorrrriiinnnggggg.!
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Do you believe any voting irregularities favoring EITHER candidate should be investigated?"
  
  Yes or no?
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I guess the answer is no.
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  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I think, since the US government isn't investigating this means it doesn't warrant investigation. If it did I would think all citizens would support it.
  
  As it stands it is simply another example of grasping because some don't want to eat sour grapes. Thank goodness the government doesn't act on every goose chase some want them to engage in.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Trump himself said the election was rigged many times, did he not? He only has himself to blame for this.
  
  Besides, it's not a federal government choice. It is done by a state via anyone who pays for it. Jill Stein has already come up with the money for a Wisconsin recount. It's a done deal.
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  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I see they had 1 million and need 2 by Friday. So, of the US taxpayer isn't footing the bill that's good.
  
  I will say, as I have already stated in this thread, if there is a reasonable doubt backed by some evidence it should be investigated.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for meeting me halfway.
  
  For the record, they zoomed past $2 million and now have $4.5 million. It's enough for recounts in both Wisconsin and Pennsylvannia.
  
  It's the largest donation drive for a third party in U.S. history.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  
  You commented: "I think, since the US government isn't investigating this means it doesn't warrant investigation. If it did I would think all citizens would support it."
  
  I am not interested in changing your mind. I stand a better chance of hitchin' a ride from the cow that jumps over the moon. However, I am interested in how you could have such faith in a government that has clearly demonstrated over the last 250 years it's disregard for the working class, and for human life in general. How do you reconcile your faith with the truth?
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  Yoda Speaksposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kFNFVOPJnE
  
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  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Forget about that. Think of it like this. We, the people of the United States, want to have faith that our vote counts. We want the election process to move forward with honesty.
  
  Now, a Republican won the White House. I doubt a Democrat in the land is happy about that and I doubt Obama is over joyed. If there is evidence that there is wrongdoing or tampering the majority will demand that it be corrected. I'm quite certain if there were a reasonable reason to believe that any tampering had occurred that the current administration would move forward with some type of investigation.
  
  Not certain what purpose your little posters were supposed to serve in this conversation.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. We want faith in our election system. Trump said many times the election was rigged. He has damaged the faith of many people.
  
  If recounts in multiple states don't find any tampering, the faith of voters for both candidates will be restored.
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  Yoda Speaksposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  This quote from that NY Magazine article says it all
  
  "The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private."
  
  Just more BS from the left wing media
  
  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-magazine/
  
  aimed at fueling the protests, the left is so desperate and brainwashed they're just looking for and grabbing any straw they can find to put there so protesters have something to believe.
  
  NEW YORK MAGAZINE
  
  Promisem when will you ever learn.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for the extremist vent. Would you be happier with the right-wing New York Daily News?
  
  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic … -1.2884089
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  Yoda Speaksposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You are more confused than your comments if you think the Daily News is a conservative newspaper. Some have suggested that The New York Daily News’ editorial page is as reliably conservative as the right-leaning New York Post. It is not. The evidence? One does not have to sift through the pre-Obama-era archives in order to find examples of left-leaning op-eds at The New York Daily News. http://www.mediaite.com/online/no-the-n … y-is-huge/
  
  Before you try another feeble attempt to support your nonsense I have to tell you since you seem not to think anything through, once the left media gets something out there other venues, even conservative may pick up on it because after all they need to make money from advertising so the band wagon of any story that may increase circulation is often jumped on.
  
  And the left knows it, that's why they create the fake news, they know it will get copy just because venues want to make money.
  
  Promisem when will you ever learn.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I get it. Your name is ironic.
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  Yoda Speaksposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  ...and get it, I do, get anything YOU don't! A fantasy world of your incoherent mind, you live in, speaks Yoda!
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  tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  CNN posted this when conservatives said machines were defaulting to Democrat, changing votes to D, that it was suspicious.
  
  No, the presidential election can't be hacked
  http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/ … explained/
  
  And the DNC had "rapid response teams" available to act if there were allegations of conservative vote fraud, intimidation, etc. But they didn't act until after blaming sexism, stupid voters, the FBI and fake news first?
  
  All these allegations are the Democrats trying to attack the legitimacy of President Elect Trump, poisoning the well.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  
  Yea first it was people too stupid to be allowed to vote is what caused Trump to win. Now its the russians did it. On that story it was the hacking of emails that exposed the truth about hillary. Now the story has morphed into they hacked the electoral system. Recently I believe obama told putin to "cut it out" or he is going to tell mommy. Something like that. Of course no shred of evidence has been put forth just innuendo. All we have is the word of obama, hillary and their media. IE Lies from known pathological liars.
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  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Attorney General Loretta Lynch says there was no evidence of "technical interference" in the election. But then, this is someone who plead the 5th so as not to incriminate herself. I take anything she says with a grain of salt, as with Clinton or Obama.
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  Missy Smithposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  https://youtu.be/BB38DvTV5kc
  
  Please watch for your own goods, and come out of your fantasy lands. Please Trumpettes?!! This is to the ones who still seem to try to make excuses for a man that is beyond a liar. You can't possibly keep defending this hypocrite?! Come on, we will not judge you. We understand his pull, but listen closely to him here. He is a liar, and it's not to fight for you all, it was to serve his own ego!! I hope a miracle will happen and they will overturn this idiots win. He knows and you know he did not win fairly. Hey, don't be mad at us who know this, he just stated it clearly with a smug look on his face!! smh...
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  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You will not judge us?
  
  I'd like to say I'd return the favor but unfortunately I read your post.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I dont really care about trump one way or another. To be honest, I did not really like him on his show
  Its not politics with me. Its just that I would rather eat a diseased dead rat than listen to or look at hillary clinton for 4.years
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  terrance Smithposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  lol
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wildernessposted 8 years ago
Very interesting "evidence". Wisconsin counties went Trump 48-13 over Clinton. And some counties used electronic voting. Therefore Clinton got cheated of 30,000 votes.

How about we find some computer hacking, with a trail showing changed votes? Except that the people providing this valuable information (but refusing to put their name on it) can't find any.Heck, why don't we just claim that every other vote was changed somehow - that way she will definitely win! But hurry - she's running of time to claim fraud in this lopsided election!

(Wonder if it ever occured to anyone that TRUMP got cheated in ares that did NOT use electronic voting)
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Do you agree that voting irregularities in favor of either candidate should be investigated?
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  wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Depends on if we have any reason to think there were irregularities. And, I suppose that considering the enormous cost, whether it would change anything might be a consideration. As there is nothing but a tenuous statistical anomaly (so tenuous the "finders" won't even go public with their names), and it won't change anything, I'd say no in this case.
  
  As Trump already won, the insinuation that he lost thousands of votes when paper ballots were thrown away doesn't seem like a winning proposition to spend a lot of money giving him a bigger lead. I'd think we'd be better off to look into why voters in a few areas of the state voted against the majority (I'm assuming that these unnamed areas went blue). Are even the cities, liberal as they are, getting fed up with the swamp?
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I agree there is an important difference between manipulations and anomalies. The process should prove which one is the cause.
  
  For the record, Trump has not already won. The Electoral College doesn't vote until mid December, and Congress doesn't ratify the vote until January. A recount before those dates could change the outcome.
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  RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Remember when Obama got more votes in Cleveland suburbs than were registered in those districts? Or the ones that were 100% Obama ? Don't seem to recall anyone calling for investigations
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  Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, the problem is what promisem claims are voting irregularities are just fake news that duped him into believing there were irregularities in Wisconsin when there was no such evidence of any irregularities - just a fake news story from the left media not even sourcing any evidence.
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Tom Tposted 8 years ago
I think the folks over at 538, have debunked the whole 'election-was-hacked' issue. Not a Right wing site.

If you read carefully these "computer scientists' are cherry picking results and using the idea that machines 'could' be hacked. The folks at 538 suggest shifting demographics are a far better explanation for results.

Finally, why limit yourself to one form of irregularity? Why not investigate all forms of irregularities, like dead people voting and non-citizen voting?
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  Yoda Speaksposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, it's just like I said - left wing propaganda
  
  http://hubpages.com/politics/forum/1389 … ost2856000
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  One article written by someone with no expertise in voting rights and computer security and published on a small, unknown website that doesn't list its staff or publisher does not inspire much confidence.
  
  As I keep asking, and people on the right keep ignoring, should voting irregularities favoring EITHER candidate be investigated? Do posters on the right support the U.S. Constitution and U.S. election laws? Do they support hacking if it gets their candidate into the White House?
  
  Such simple questions, and none of them dare to answer.
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  Tom Tposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The "Computer Security Experts" claim is based on statistics (albeit poorly formulated) and the idea that the voting machine "could" be hacked. Has nothing to do with voting rights. It is a combination of fantasy and faulty logic. The article debunks the whole claim. Nothing to investigate.
  
  Regarding the whole topic of investigating irregularities, I suppose if we had a justice department that was not corrupt, it would be reasonable to investigate legitimate voting irregularities starting with the biggest frauds perpetrated on the US electorate which are non-citizen voting and ballot stuffing.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You didn't answer my question.
  
  Despite the fact that Trump himself said the election was rigged and started this new mess, your objection is moot.
  
  The Jill Stein campaign confirms it now has enough money for a recount in both Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. It's the largest donation drive for a third party in U.S. history.
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  Yoda Speaksposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  When was a recount in both Wisconsin and Pennsylvania confirmed? Yesterday officials in the three states confirmed that no recounts have been ordered. A spokesman for the U.S. Justice Department says it is not tallying the number of voting complaints to determine whether federal action is warranted.
  
  promisem when will you ever learn, you can't blindly buy into the left wing media talking points
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Its a partisan agenda driven inquiry based on zero evidence. If there are any irregularities or votes in specific places that were tainted of course the lefties want those votes to be thrown automatically to Hillary Clinton. Not just voided. Then conveniently they won't want any more inquiries.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Twenty states reported hacker probes of their election sites. They include states controlled by Republicans.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If you actually read what I write, you will see I was referring to the funds that were raised to pay for recounts. Recounts in multiple states are now confirmed.
  
  Even better, Trump himself now says there were "millions" of illegal votes.
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  Yoda Speaksposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  A recount isn't confirmed by raising funds...again, you need to think about what you write, but then you always write misleading things, when will you ever learn? Last I heard she hasn't raised enough money to cover all the legal fees and expenses (over 6 1/2 million) and probably won't. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jill-steins … d-to-know/
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You really aren't up to date. Maybe the Wisconsin election commission is lying too?
  
  http://elections.wi.gov/node/4436
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  Yoda Speaksposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Up to date has nothing to do with it. You have already been shown by me and Tom how the premise of your forum topic is nothing but BS and a left wing attempt to raise money and create a false impression that Trump should not be president. This
  
  http://www.podcastone.com/pg/jsp/progra … id=1693000
  
  explains everything and before you dismiss it because it is a republican conservative telling you how nutso your take is, as you always do when faced with facts you disagree with try listening to it a couple times because I know you won't even allow yourself to think about it and of course you'll never admit you are wrong about anything when you are actually wrong about nearly everything.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I get it again. Your name is ironic.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  
  Seems like a reasonable request.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently Hillary Clinton has conversations with Eleanor Roosevelt. I guess Hillary has a rapport with the dead. Its no surprise they vote for her.
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PhoenixVposted 8 years ago
Trump votes changing to hillary.

http://www.usasupreme.com/texas-voting- … p-hillary/

I personally saw many claims of this on twitter.

Chinese hack a lot

http://nyti.ms/1GzmUmW

Therefore the chinese could have done it.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sarcasm aside, you are probably stunned to hear that I agree with your last point. If there was an any election hacking, it could have been done by the Chinese.
  
  They have hacked us many times in the past. It's not a stretch to think they would do the same to our national election.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Both cases have the same " evidence " in common.
  
  Absolutely none.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Trump just announced there were "millions" of illegal votes. Is he wrong?
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  
  If it is true, why would we want to elect the same crew that would be so incompetent to have allowed it to be possible in the first place? Thankfully, that crew lost their jobs on Nov 8.
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ahorsebackposted 8 years ago
Recount - The last great gasp of a dying alt-left party line. -- Here's the thing - What does anyone expect from a party that compromised the entire election process in the Clinton crime theater ? They compromised the party itself ,they compromised and criminalized the DNC election system , they bought out and compromised the media ethics ,accuracy and what little honor they had left to begin with , they compromised the very counting process of all elections . What they couldn't do was convince the electoral college in the final mainstream election process to " take the fall"; WHY IN the World is anyone surprised that Hilary is NOW "All in" on the recount , in spite of her declaration of "accepting the election outcome "?

I know the answer she's all in ; for the $ !!!!!
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Trump just announced that the election had "millions" of illegal votes. Is he wrong?
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  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  He's probably setting the stage in case the recounts go south.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I agree.
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If it did , and it probably does , its on the left - illegal voters - No voting I.D. required ?
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Then a recount is a good thing, right?
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  Yoda Speaksposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong, a recount will do nothing to find illegal voters. The machines don't identify who any voters are or who they voted for.
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No !
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Then Trump is wrong about millions of illegal votes?
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Even millions of illegal votes cannot change the electorally completed count . Wouldn't ya think ?
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  1. Many studies have proven that "illegal votes" are propaganda spread by the likes of Breitbart and other fake news sites. More than 1 BILLION votes have been reviewed with only a handful of fraud cases found.
  
  https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/ … fraud-myth
  
  2. All states require registration by address. You must confirm your address when you vote. You just don't walk into any polling place you want and vote without a registered address.
  
  3. All states require some form of identification or proof of address.
  
  4. The fact that some states don't require a PHOTO identification doesn't mean that you can vote without proof.
  
  "These states have "non-documentary" ID requirements, meaning voters must verify their identity in other ways, such as by signing an affidavit or poll book (that match a registered address), or by providing personal information. In addition, all states have procedures for challenging voter eligibility." - National Conference of State Legislatures
  
  5. Finally, the recount numbers must match the ballots, which must match the registrations of voting addresses, which are confirmed by the proofs of identification.
  
  If any major fraud is done, it is done in the databases and not in the fantasies of Donald Trump and Breitbart.
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  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You should actually try Brietbart 125 Sirius radio , not so slanted as you might think , Now CNN - slant city !
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  wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  How in the world do you get to that from a recount that cannot determine the legality of the vote is bad?
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ahorsebackposted 8 years ago
By the rules of our electoral process , Hilary lost the election , Have YOU heard her acceptance speech about" not questioning the process " ...for the integrity of our national interests ? Rather true to form of Hilary and the lefts hypocrisy- For sure !

What a loser she really is !
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PhoenixVposted 8 years ago

Which states that hillary allegedly won in are going to get recounted?
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  Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  They did Wisconsin and Trump came out 131 more ahead leaving him over 22,000 votes ahead. So much for hacking Wisconsin which officials said after the recount could never happen. I wonder where all those millions Stein raised are going? Pretty obvious now why the presidential nominee of the Green Party of the United States for President in 2016 and 2012, Jill Stein, who received only 469,627 votes for President of the United States in the 2012 general election and 1.1% of the national vote in 2016 is a loon. No wonder no one votes for her.
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Live to Learnposted 8 years ago
So the allegations have been proven wrong. Now we see some faithless electors are hoping to use what could easily be construed as politically motivated disinformation from a government controlled by the democrats as reason to steal the election.

What next?
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  wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Have to wonder just how many Republicans, very quietly and in dark rooms, are supporting such nonsense. Most of them have no love for Donny, either.
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  Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Neither do I, as far as his character and personality goes he leaves a lot to be desired although I can give him the benefit of the doubt that running for President and taking such a huge mantle onto his shoulders will and probably has changed him for the better.
  But the real issue has never been personality but policies and mostly conservative ones at that. That's what a vote for him was, and it was against another four years of Obama which is the best of everything Hillary offered, the worst being much worse.
  If electors are going to take it upon themselves to corrupt the electoral college they are not doing it to Trump, they are spitting in the face of the country, every American and the constitution and patriotic citizens will not stand for it. In the end you will find all these things, news about recounts, the Russians, electors "voting their conscience" are simply fake news stories created by the MSM to continue their collusion with the Democrats in trying to dupe the public into questioning Trumps legitimacy to have won the election. Just like Wisconsin recount and their machines being rigged none of these stories will ever pan out and they know it but mission accomplished if they dupe an uninformed public (their main constituents) into believing their fake news. I guarantee you their duped followers months from now, even years will be sighting the recount as evidence Trump cheated the election even though the results prove he didn't, they won't even know what the outcome of the recount was.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  They all seemed desperate to get the clintons in because I suspect they expected to be covered, exempt from scrutiny, now that trump won you see all these antics. The antics of the light coming on and all those connected to the clintons are like cockroaches scattering for cover.
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  wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "But the real issue has never been personality but policies and mostly conservative ones at that."
  
  Disagree. I think that mostly it was about saying "We're tired of liars, cheats, scoundrels and criminals in Washington. We're tired of politicians that don't listen, that base every vote and decision on what's good for them personally. We're sick of the "status quo" in Washington. Let's try something else". Yes, conservative concepts played a part as did the perceived massive racism and bigotry to those few that live that way. But mostly it was about a change, a change to anything but what we have now.
  
  I do think that the Russians, and a lot of other countries besides, tried to influence the election. I also think that we do the same thing and that it has been going on for decades if not centuries.
  
  But I certainly agree that liberals and specifically the media are trying very, very hard to subvert the election. To dupe people into believing falsehoods and tall tales. That, too, has been going on since time immemorial but does seem to be getting worse; the truth just isn't something to put out the the people at all anymore.
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  Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Wilderness, I agree that did play a big part but that was the reason the Republicans won the house in 2010 and the senate in 2014 neither of which gave them power to undo Obama's left wing agenda. This year the bottom line and as I said," the real issue," I didn't say the popular issue, was the last chance to put conservatives in control and put constitutionalists on the SC and virtually do away with the left by giving Trump the chance to drain the swamp.
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  wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  We'll have to agree to disagree on this minor (or maybe not so minor) issue. I see the elections you mention as a party thing to maintain Republican values, but this time it was about maintaining the people's values. Not values as to where the country is going, but personal values that they consider a leader should have. A much different thing.
  
  Yes, the SCOTUS concept got a few Repub's in there, the total control got some more, but all those people that don't truly care about party affiliations is what swung the election and they voted Trump as a clean up and a return of government to the people. IMO, of course.
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  Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well at least maybe we can agree Yoda Speaks nailed it when he said above
  
  "This quote from that NY Magazine article says it all
  
  "The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private."
  
  Just more BS from the left wing media"
  
  Some people are just suckers for non sourced or unsubstantiable headlines that aren't real news but propaganda (fake news) and as long as the liberal media plays that game there will be dupes out there who buy into it every time.
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  wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  On this we can indeed agree.
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  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That is for sure. Present real facts and the duped are conditioned to automatically deny the truth set before their very eyes. Its not easy to become disillusioned.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Real facts only come from Fox News and Breitbart. Everyone else is lying.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Do those suckers include the CIA and FBI?
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  Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So you think because you were duped by that fake news article they had to be? That's weird when the FBI disagrees with the CIA but you wouldn't know that because you never investigate fake news. Secondly no one from the CIA upper echelon is on record that Russia hacked the election. Clapper, director of the CIA has lied under oath to Congress and the American people, already been told by Trump he's gone so he has reason to create a fake news story aimed at Trump. Face it promisem you've been duped into creating forum discussion about fake news, the article you cited as the basis for this forum topic!. Yoda speaks had you pegged.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What did russia allegedly hack or influence? Some emails that show some truth about clinton and her team? While msm hides the truth about clinton. Lol. We all know the clintons are low life scum politicians. All this is a smoke screen while clinton rats run for cover.clintons obama and msm. Its time for them to cover their tracks as theyre put out on the street like the refuse they are.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Right. Russia is all good. The FBI, CIA and everyone else is all lying.
  
  How strange that conservatives hated Russia for decades and now love it -- all because of the election.
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  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "How strange that conservatives hated Russia for decades and now love it"
  
  What are you talking about? Time to go down into the dungeons of your local library and read history.
  
  WWI: The Allies included Britain, France, Russia, Italy and the United States.
  
  WWII: The big four: England (Great Britain, the United Kingdom), the United States of America, the Soviet Union (U.S.S.R., Russia), and France.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I guess you haven't heard about the Cold War. How soon we forget when Russia helps our new President.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Russia did nothing. We already know more about Hillary clinton than we would ever want to know anyway. Why would I want to peer into the cesspool of clinton politics? What bombshell did we find out? Nothing. What happened to the recounts. I havent heard anything much on msm. Oh let me guess. Msm aint talking so that means they found nothing. Its time to put hillary on the street with rest of the garbage. The clintons are like. a bad cold or the flu you cant get rid of as well as the symptoms. Time to turn off the fake news tv and wake up.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Really? You know that how? The CIA and FBI are wrong?
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  
  Educate us all. The fbi what? The cia what. You got nothing. Hey yea but the chinese. Hey they doj. Hey the cops. Hey the robbers. Hey the djia. Lol uh oh the NASDAQ is in on it.
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You must not read the news. It's how some of us learn more about the real world.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I observe the news. Benghazi was about a youtube video. Hillary landed under sniper fire. Brian Williams was aboard the Challenger. And oh yea. " the russians did it" There goes the intl space station.
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  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It seems the leaders of the Demoncrats just love disinformation.
  They are evil liars and mean spirited entities of darkness.
  Not even human...incapable of love and unity, and good will.
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  PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  They have absolutely no credibility. Instead of russians they can use their deception and blame martians for all I care. Makes no difference to me. Their observable track record is smoke mirrors and deception. Hillary is a prideful liar.
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  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No one has said Russia is all good. But, Clinton tried to cry foul using them as a scapegoat. Nosmoking gun is there. There is even some doubt that a hacking occurred and there is definitely no evidence of election tampering.
  
  I understand how irritating it is to lose but maybe now the losing side can muster some grace?
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  promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry you can't read. I simply posted a link to the article and said, "Computer experts SAY ..."
  
  I'm sorry you don't understand that the CIA and FBI have different sources of information, some of which they can't share out of fear they will reveal secret informants.
  
  I'm also sorry you can't answer my simple question. You people have an amazing way of fleeing from simple questions.
  
  So what do you know that the CIA and FBI don't know? I'm sure you can't answer this question either.
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  Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry you can't stay on subject - your subject of the whole discussion which was, since you don't seem to remember, what you wrote and the article you cited as"proof", YOU SAID:
  
  "Computer security experts say they have evidence that results were hacked or manipulated in three key states that emphasize electronic voting.
  
  "In Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000."
  
  http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 … html"
  
  Nothing there is true, recount proved it, neither the FBI or the CIA ever alleged in Wisconsin electronic voting machines were hacked or compromised and after the recount officials said that would have been impossible.
  
  You really have a talent promisem for deflection whenever you are embarrassingly proven wacko.
  
  A bigger man, if you are a man, would just admit he was duped, end of story. We've all been duped at one time or another.
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  wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000."
  
  But of course it is true! She may have been denied those votes. And the Russians may have snuck in and taken the ballots away so the recount is now false. Or they may have been burned on the spot by evil demons from Hell. Lots of things may have happened!
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  Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this
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PhoenixVposted 8 years ago
Putin found hillarys diary and then told marcia and jan. Then bobby and peter told the whole school.

Nebulas stupidity sounds like msm and obama. My first thought. My second thought is someone desperate for misdirection.
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stephenteacherposted 8 years ago
Of course facts state otherwise. Detroit has been caught, counting more votes than were actually cast....somewhere in at least the hundreds, probably counting up to thousands. They are promising the investigate. In WI, the recount gave Trump more votes.

Seriously though, can we let it go? LET IT GO! It's over! My gosh this election has brought out the biggest bunch of cry babies the world has ever seen!

I saw nothing of the sort as Rep lost 2 straight prez elections. In fact, just the opposite. After each loss they got off their butts, worked hard, retook the house, then the senate...and now the president.

But then hard work seems to be a dirty word. Give me coloring books or give me death!
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  wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  ...I don't think hard work by the Republican party is the reason Trump will be president...
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PhoenixVposted 8 years ago

An easy decision.
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