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The "Deep State" did it.

  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    The man is not guilty. I believe he was kidnapped at gunpoint and held until the rounds were delivered and then murdered.
    Yes, I am surmising. Its the only thing that makes sense.

    1. paradigmsearch profile image86
      paradigmsearchposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

      I likewise considered the possibility  his room was hijacked, he was set-up/framed, kidnapped, murdered, and/or variations thereof. But then it came out that casino security confronted him first. He was alive and well and immediately started firing at them. They immediately departed. It was only afterwards that SWAT found him dead.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

        where is your link?

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
          Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          … how do we know the whole building was not in on it?

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

            Including the SWAT team

        2. paradigmsearch profile image86
          paradigmsearchposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          Not worth my time to try to find it. I do remember it was mainstream media. Whoever does find it first wins a cupie doll. big_smile

    2. The0NatureBoy profile image76
      The0NatureBoyposted 13 days agoin reply to this

      Your analysis, KLH, is far easier to believe than the "official cover up report" expressed on mainstream media and news. There is something in DC they want to stop people from looking at but by now they should know man-en-mass are no longer fooled by these "Deep 6" killings. The information provided us is inconsistent with any logical explanation. I'm not saying man-en-mass are logical thinkers but eventually we do see certain patterns that does not make sense.

    3. lovetherain profile image61
      lovetherainposted 13 days agoin reply to this

      A deeply disturbed man did it.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
        Kathryn L Hillposted 13 days agoin reply to this

        No ... one passive enough to be manipulated. Why did his so called "girl friend" flee? On a plane to the Philippines? How come?

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 13 days agoin reply to this

          "Flee"?  That's quite a choice of terminology for someone taking a well earned vacation.  Guess maybe she was "fleeing" the stress of her job, or neighbors, or relatives or the lights of Las Vegas, but don't think that's what you meant.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
            Kathryn L Hillposted 13 days agoin reply to this

            sent? brought back? I'm just throwing out hypothesises.

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 13 days agoin reply to this

              Left on her own?  To visit relatives?  Hungry for the food there?  Homesick? Just throwing out hypothesis's...

          2. Aime F profile image84
            Aime Fposted 13 days agoin reply to this

            My uncle’s wife is Filipino and she “flees” back to the Philippines at least once a year. So suspicious!

    4. colorfulone profile image90
      colorfuloneposted 13 days agoin reply to this

      You do have a sense of humor. 

      The plot thickens. Paddock's plane a DIA plane now?
      http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/20 … ycsQL.dpbs

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago
  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago
  4. Aime F profile image84
    Aime Fposted 2 weeks ago

    Oh my god, stop it.

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    "When police stormed his room shortly before midnight, Mr. Paddock lay dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He left behind 23 guns in the hotel suite, including two rifles mounted on tripods, 19 guns in his house, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, broken windows, and a trail of questions by family members and neighbors who are struggling to make sense of his motive. His car remained parked with the hotel valet.

    Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department described Mr. Paddock as a “lone wolf” whose intentions had gone unnoticed by hotel staff members who had gone in and out of his room without detecting the trove of weapons."
    Sure, right:  roll

    "'Where the hell did he get automatic weapons? He has no military background or anything like that,' the brother said. 'When you find out about him, like I said, he’s a guy who lived in a house in Mesquite and drove down and gambled in Las Vegas.'"  From the New York Times article.

    He did not have a motive. He did not have a military background or the experience to pull this off. He did not have the nature.

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image76
      The0NatureBoyposted 13 days agoin reply to this

      That is the way "Deep State" aka "Deep 6" covert operations are, beautifully framed like JFK, MLK, RK, and a million other killings are but today there are too many unrelated to the people being framed arraignments which anyone who is not emotional can see how it is a "Deep state" "Deep 6" operation.

    2. rebekahELLE profile image91
      rebekahELLEposted 11 days agoin reply to this

      We'll find out more as time goes by and more info is released. 
      I don't think it matters at all that he didn't have a military background.  He lived in an area where it was common to stockpile weapons, close to Bunkerville where the Bundy standoff took place.  He bought guns in the local area, one store of which a Bundy militia bodyguard works. The store owner wept after he heard of the massacre knowing he had recently sold him guns. 
      He may have held the same kind of views these militia type groups hold.  Obviously he had built an arsenal.  These are extreme actions.  He had a motive.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days agoin reply to this

        … maybe he WAS an arms dealer and something went wrong. This was the revenge of ISIS … to set him up. Some sources claim there were two shooters. You do hear what sounds like two guns in some videos … and there were two windows crashed open… what did he do ... go running from window to window???  And he really had the know-how to set up cameras to observe security and the police approaching? And he had tons of time to shoot and shoot and shoot!!!! And he shot the security guard on that floor before he even began?

                                 WHY WOULD HE KILL 
                                        H I M S E L F
                                           ? ? ? ? ?

        And now the security measures ARE being beefed up! What? There are oodles of evil idiots wanting to shoot out concert-goers? And our second amendment rights ARE being threatened.

        I would gear up for a war taking place on our continent ... which has already begun.

        -----> So, which side are YOU on? The people's or the The Deep State's????

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 11 days agoin reply to this

          Your comment is so full of misinformation and conjecture, I feel dumber for even trying to read it. yikes

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
            Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days agoin reply to this

            So, which side are you on? The People's or The Deep State's?

            PS I actually have tons of nerve to deal with the likes of you.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 11 days agoin reply to this

              I don't believe in the "Deep State", Kat. So I'm apparently for the people. The Deep State is an invention of the Right to scare their voters. I thought you knew that.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
                Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days agoin reply to this

                Who is preventing Trump from getting his cabinet in place? All the Democrats and all the Republicans.
                combined with the media and its fake news …  for instance: white supremacist groups:  a thing of the past !!!!

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 11 days agoin reply to this

                  His, exactly, are they doing that?

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days agoin reply to this

                    The Senate is not voting on it.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 11 days agoin reply to this

                  Kat, Trump cannot keep the cabinet he already has, much less find people who want to be embarrassed and fired after a short time under his tenure. Duh!

                  And are you saying white supremacy groups are nonexistent? Come on down here in the Deep South and I'll introduce you to a few members, mostly Baptists.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days agoin reply to this

                    He can't fire those who are not measuring up?

            2. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 11 days agoin reply to this

              Which side are you on? The people or Darth Vader's? It''s just as valid a question as hour fantasy-fueled query.

  6. Aime F profile image84
    Aime Fposted 2 weeks ago

    You’ve read a couple of articles and now you know what his nature was? People suffer and stew and struggle with their demons silently every day. All the time. Just because his brother and his neighbors didn’t pick up on anything doesn’t mean there wasn’t something to pick up on.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

      Get real: its a conspracy to make us give up our arms. THEY want us to be defenseless!!!!


      We just need to identify who "THEY" is!!!!

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

        "THEY" is ruthless.

      2. Aime F profile image84
        Aime Fposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

        Your fantasy world doesn’t sound like much fun. sad

      3. Misfit Chick profile image92
        Misfit Chickposted 12 days agoin reply to this

        Actually, there is something that potentially rings semi-true about these statements - and it certainly isn't often that Kathryn and I agree about something. But, there are differences...

        1) The 'deep state' exists and it has for a very long time. There is only one government, and they have always used both extreme political sides against each other at will to accomplish their unified agenda based on economics. The problem arises when the deep state starts to manipulate citizens into believing that 'the left' or 'the right' are to blame for everything wrong. So many Conservatives are so SURE that Liberals & Progressives are the dimwitted enemy; and now antifa has grown to become the dangerous anti-whites gang that it is (see images).

        And, it isn't only antifa... LOOK at the new White Supremacy movement taking place here in Seattle. If it is growing here, you know its got to be growing in other cities. "We Snuck into Seattle's Super Secret White Nationalist Convention" http://www.thestranger.com/news/2017/10 … convention

        I live in Seattle... There are well-trained & armed 'free' militias across this country; and the citizens of our country seem to be arming for war (or the next best thing to it). Yeah, scary.

        2) It isn't only the government that we have to worry about... Groups (such as these militias or white supremacy groups, antifa - even other countries, etc) are perfectly capable of attempting to incite wars, themselves. Although, my suspicion from the beginning has been that there is more that we are not being told (as Kathryn has suggested).

        I mean, why would this guy premeditate this massive attack and NOT provide a way to get his angry point across (whatever it was)? Since the investigation is still going on, it is still a little too early to tell; but there IS something fishy about that one thing... Officials might not want to reveal what his motives are to a country that is as divided as we are, right now; because it could very well be the spark that sets us on fire.

        Individuals still have free-will (at least for a while) - even if a shadow government exists. Officials could be making a concerted decision to either 'not tell' us anything; or they may be trying to organize a believable explanation among themselves - OR, it really could be that they don't know anything; and Mr. Cahn just lost his marbles for a while with no actual motive. We may never know the actual truth. Our government is as difficult to believe as the media is, sometimes.

        3) Relax, the shadow government isn't going to win - even if they manage to instigate a war among us. They are FALLING, that is why they are trying extra-hard at the moment. However, I believe we still have a good chance of getting through this time without a war. Stop falling for the tricks and jumping through the hoops (that goes for lefties, too - your strings are also being jerked). Diversify your media sources if you're someone who just HAS to think you're keeping up on things, ha!

        These are a couple of antifa signs in Seattle. Don't let anyone try to tell you that they are fluffy bunnies only protesting for Democracy:

        https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13729568.jpg

        https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13729558.jpg

        1. The0NatureBoy profile image76
          The0NatureBoyposted 11 days agoin reply to this

          Misfit,
          "Deep State" actually means the government itself is responsible for the covert operation and is blaming it on an individual or group. 9/11, JFK, MLK, Robert K, "Pearl Harbor" and so many more were "Deep State" activities.

          It was prophecies that the fall of the US would come from internal activities rather than external and that is what is happening this very day. The purpose of these "Deep State" activities is to get the people to give up their weapons so government can implement the "Patriot Act" and make this nation and world like 1930s Germany, which was a test to see if it could be done.

          You may want to call the truth a "conspiracy theory" if you want but with all of those "Deep State" operations listed above and, for the sake of understanding, I'll include the cruse ship Germany's submarine sank for the US to get into "European War [WW] 1", but if you research it you will find out I am correct in all of them.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image92
            Misfit Chickposted 11 days agoin reply to this

            Deep State / Shadow Government - one world government. Its all the same thing. You really did not read what I wrote, did you? LoL! Nevermind, I'm sure my 3rd point is what flipped your switch - since it is where we disagree. Neither this world NOR our civilization is coming to an end.

            The Kingdom of God is within, stop looking toward the sky for it. Luke 17:20-21 “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”...

            That means that the KoG has always been here for as long as we have been populating this planet; and it has been slowly developing and expanding for ages across 'cycles' as you've said. Usually, our core civilizations end - because the axis of our planet gets knocked so out-of-whack that no matter how technologically-advanced the civilization might have been - it is all but wiped out. This is because most people live along the coasts & fault lines where the land is fertile and mosts likely to be affected by harsh weather conditions as the world rebalances - not to mention the huge earthquake! As such, most of our civilizations are 'restarted' by obscure tribes who were never connected to the civilized world, anyway.

            We've crossed the end-cycle by about six years, now (give or take, depending on who you talk to); and the cycles have restarted. It doesn't matter... the axis of our planet has barely moved, but the Earth still has to rebalance itself - which is where all the wild weather is coming from. It isn't a harbinger or a pre-cursor to 'what's coming' - it is a symptom of something that has already happened. All we have to do is hang on and get smart about these storms.

            God is in control - always is, always has been. I'm not sure why so many [christians especially] think that there is something they can do to alter our course. God allowed a deep state to develop in this world a long LONG time ago; and now he is painstakingly dismantelling it.

            As the person who makes both good & evil possible, God creates and destroys at will...

            Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil (or 'let evil happen', depending on translation): I the LORD do all these things."

            You can't 'form light' unless you also 'create darkness'. God is light, there is no source for darkness - there is only the absense of light. Darkness or evil cannot exist except within the boundaries of places God has created for 'the dark' to be able to exist - like the Universe, and specifically for us, this planet we call Earth.

            And this is the choice we make as humans every day: are we choosing light or the absense of it in any given moment? Either choice is okay because we have REASONS for making those choices. Its why we can't make a wrong one... Perceptions are part of our ever-expanding personal identity.

            In other words, we are our own 'evil' that we have to overcome - and we are in the process of doing exactly that (with the help of nothing less than 'the KoG within' or 'God within'). No belief in a god or religion, required - beLIEfs are just training wheels; and we're all in various stages of 'realization' or 'awareness'. Its that simple.

            God is PURE POSITIVE ENERGY (just like we are in our non-physical 'soul' form) and can only read hearts. The physical aspects of our world - including human-born beliefs & religions - are only relevant to us. God isn't 'watching' and seeing like we see; nor does he have any use for our language, thoughts or actions. They ARE tools & toys for US to utilize, however - no matter how right or wrong we believe they are.

            As such, God cannot tell whether our hands are folded properly; or if we are kneeling during prayer. God simply cannot tell the difference between the sincere worship of a Christian, Muslim or Hindu - or a crazed football fan, for that matter.

            Our hearts are completely exposed to God because we are a natural part of Source (as natural as air or water is to us). Being 'just the Universe' (no small feat) without human hangups has its advantages: no human perception, no human judgments, no human knowledge of our ideals beyond 'how things feel'.

            Also, God can't look back - never ever - not even long after we refuse to let things go. Its not that God doesn't want to 'keep bad stuff', he is literally INCAPABLE of keeping it.

            Why?

            Because 'evil' or 'sinful' stuff isn't real to God; and they are only temporarily real to us for this purpose: the emotions that developed because of it - that caused your soul to grow & expand - ARE real. That's what matters to God.

            If a person's heart is completely dark, God knows why they 'believe' the way they do about themselves: through reading the lifestory of their emotions. The reason people do bad things or 'turn bad' is NEVER EVER EVER because the person was 'born evil'; nor has that soul become 'too evil' to not eventually be able to return to their natural state of being at death.

            Really, think about it again... Do people 'sin' when they are HAPPY and content within themselves?

            Thank you for providing me with yet another opportunity to preach to you, NB. smile

            Btw, our views of reincarnation & karma are not the same.
            https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13730737.jpg

    2. The0NatureBoy profile image76
      The0NatureBoyposted 13 days agoin reply to this

      Annie F,
      "Deep State" covert operations always seek people like your description, James Earl Ray is one, the supposed shooter of Reagan is another, Oswald yet another and the list goes on and on concerning the people "framed" as the responsible party although the evidence shows the impossibility of the "framed" person(s) did the job.

      United Statesman need to wake up and stop dreaming "the AmericanDream" of material wealth while sleepwalking.  There is a WHOLE lots such dreamers are missing.

  7. PrettyPanther profile image85
    PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago

    Lol.

    Sorry, that's all I  got.

  8. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 2 weeks ago

    OMG, now the right will be blaming Hillary for the murders in Las Vega. The Deep State is a figment of your distorted imagination! tongue

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

      Sorry, I don't respond to Randy Godwin.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

        LOL

      2. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 12 days agoin reply to this

        You don't have the nerve! lol

    2. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

      The Obama FEMA camps didn't happen. On to the next insane conspiracy.

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics), a paramilitary unit of law-enforcement agencies

  10. DuckHatch profile image81
    DuckHatchposted 13 days ago

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13727847.jpg

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image76
      The0NatureBoyposted 13 days agoin reply to this

      The lie "Deep State" planners want us to believe, DuckHatch, you wouldn't be one of them working to be sure the people believe that lie, would you?

      1. DuckHatch profile image81
        DuckHatchposted 12 days agoin reply to this

        LOL, IDK man, I know a lot of people with guns that don't even joke about killing people, it's not ok and anyone with common sense knows that.

  11. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 13 days ago

    "There was a lady who pushed her way forward into the concert venue and into the first row, and she started messing with another lady, and told us that we were all going to die tonight," Brianna Hendricks said. "None of us knew that it was going to be serious."

    “She had been messing with a lady in front of her and telling her she was going to die, that we were all going to die,” the witness said to local news reporters. “They escorted her out to make her stop messing around with all the other people, but none of us knew it was going to be serious.”

    The witness described the Hispanic couple as looking like “everyday people.”

    Clearly, Danley looks Hispanic, since she comes from the Philippines.  The Philippines is also known for being a hotbed for Islamic jihadis.

    This past year, the Philippines were placed under martial law as jihadis were rooted out. US forces aided the Philippines, as well." from link above.


       who knows?  but we have to look carefully for the truth.

  12. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 13 days ago

    I am not sure what doesn't make sense about the scenario as we know it, one man, one hotel room, many guns, and whatever motivation was inside his head.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 13 days agoin reply to this

      I think it's because the initial reports were that he is a well-to-do, seemingly "regular" guy, with no apparent political or ideological bent.  In other words, just another angry white dude with many, many guns.  That's hard for some people to accept, I think.

      Just my speculation as to why some deep, dark, conspiracy is easier for some people to believe than the reality.  Of course, we don't yet know the whole story.

      1. Aime F profile image84
        Aime Fposted 13 days agoin reply to this

        It’s scarier if it’s that simple, I think, so people are trying to think of another way to explain it or make sense of it. But I don’t believe there’s any sense to be made.

  13. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 13 days ago

    "Sheriff Lombardo seemed skeptical that Mr. Paddock moved the guns into his hotel suite by himself. More than 20 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition were recovered in the suite. They had been brought into the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in at least 10 suitcases, the authorities said.

    “It was troublesome that he was able to move this much gear into the hotel unassisted,” the sheriff said."
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/l … pgtype=art

  14. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days ago

    I am a substitute teacher. One of these days we are going to find that the children in our society matter. I don't know who was behind the shooting, but whoever it was, cared nothing for human life, and especially for children who are now affected to their souls by having to see such gross and senseless destruction. If terrorists are behind it, they care nothing for God/Allah who loves all His children, while claiming they do what they do in the name God/Allah.

    If this 64 year old guy did it, he couldn't find it in heart to care about how such an occurence would look to God's innocent children. Everything gets televised, everything gets watched by not only our children here in the US, but the children around the world.

    If the "Deep State/6" is behind it, well, the evil is so great I can't even think of it. Misfit Chick has explained it well. Thank you, Misfit Chick.

    If greedy business men are behind it, as they proceed with the installation of all sorts of security measures, machines and gadgets in all their glorious money making hotels and venues, how utterly shameful.

    And while I'm at it, its really pathetic to witness the amount of crap coming out of Hollywood on TV. The barrage of indecency and pure ugliness we see on the Boob Tube and easily found on You Tube is produced in the name of Creativity and Entertainment and ultimately, Freedom!!! Well, freedom is for the sake of something good. For Life. In the sixties when I was a child, it seems to me that we children were treated more carefully and sheltered more generously from the harshness of the world than today's children are.

    Today, children are assaulted with what amounts to psychological abuse. I have seen how the behavior and the awareness of children in my school district has changed during these past twenty years. The beautiful, inquisitive and sensitive nature of the child stays the same, but what he is exposed to is becoming more and more intolerable. What they end up focusing on becomes more and more shallow and meaningless as the pains they feel grow deeper and deeper. Someday the violence we so easily glorify and the abominations we so readily accept as entertainment will be refused for their sake ... When ADULTS and parents realize that the gruesome horrors shown in movies, literature and technological games causes negative psychological effects on the minds of children, perhaps they will take SOME kind of action to halt the onslaught of such hellishness coming at their children from the media, game producers and the movie industry.

    Today, in the fourth grade class where I subbed, the students couldn't stay in their seats, couldn't keep quiet, couldn't stay focused on their tasks.

    Its no wonder.

  15. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 11 days ago

    I'm a Democrat and have never heard any of my party say they wanted to rid the country of all guns. That's simply lies from rightwing media to absolve themselves from responsibility every time someone uses an assault rifle--yes there are such despite the apologists excuses--to murder innocent people.

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image76
      The0NatureBoyposted 11 days agoin reply to this

      It is not likely any "unconstitutional party" will ever say it but if the government can get the people to say do it congress will immediately do it. They are still working on implementing the NWO which includes "The Patriot Act" as the governing law which will bring the world to the condition of 1930s Germany. The government knows if congress rid the people of guns without the backing of the people the Constitution's Amendment 10 and Article 2.4 gives We The People the authority to eliminate all governmental heads and responsible parties. [We should anyway because of 9/11, the Ship in Tonkin Bay, Pearl Harbor, and the sinking of the cruse ship which got us into European War (WW) 1.]

    2. rebekahELLE profile image91
      rebekahELLEposted 11 days agoin reply to this

      I haven't been on the site for so long I didn't know you were back in the forums.  Nice to see you Randy.
      After reading this thread and looking at some of the others, I realize why I haven't been here. 
      The Deep State did it? 
      Oh please. 
      Not every murderer is going to fit 'the' profile.  That's one thing we should learn from this.

  16. aware profile image67
    awareposted 11 days ago

    No

  17. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days ago

    To be on the safe side, we need to keep our gun rights.

  18. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days ago

    P.S. Anti-fa(cism) and those White Supremacist groups, (if there are any, which there aren't) are being promoted by the Deep State. The deep state is splitting us up.


    "Officials might not want to reveal what his motives are to a country that is as divided as we are, right now; because it could very well be the spark that sets us on fire." Misfit Chick:

    We are  N O T  divided. 

    Yet…  sad

    1. Misfit Chick profile image92
      Misfit Chickposted 11 days agoin reply to this

      We damn well ARE divided because you keep insisting that these groups do not actually exist - when they DO exist; and are getting larger by the minute. I doubt that you read the Seattle link I included... The majority of our 'secret white supremists' are rich (or on their way to being rich) MALE tech heads in our big tech industries. Remember that Google 'memo' against women down in California? That is a perfect example of the people who are embracing these new racist & misogynist messages.

      It DOESN'T MATTER whether or not the groups have their origins in the shadow state - the members of these groups are INDOCTRINATED. And, if a shadow state can get the people to believe that their neighbors are their enemies - they have succeeded. Certainly someone is twisting things so ideally-divisively to make people like you so SURE that 'the majority' of us liberal, moderate or progressive people - who are ALL FOR bipartisan policies - are the problem.

      One of the reasons why these groups are getting bigger is because people like you continue to enable their deep state agendas without hardly any resistance - because they supposedly 'don't exist'.

      The objective of our shadow government is to control of the mind of the population for money, money, money... Trump is a freakin poster child for them, LoL!

      Btw, you're doing a really good job of regurgitating what they are telling you to say about them - deflect everything to 'the left'. Like I've said, anyone who has all their dire eggs in one basket (this is starting to include some seriously scary lefties) is a brainwashed chicken.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days agoin reply to this

        I do not concur at all.

  19. PrettyPanther profile image85
    PrettyPantherposted 11 days ago

    People, are you paying attention? This is what our country is dealing with.  So misinformed.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days agoin reply to this

      People: What you are dealing with is lies! THINK for yourself. Nothing adds up!!!!

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 11 days agoin reply to this

        Kat, where did you get your information from about the Deep State?

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
          Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days agoin reply to this

          Here is one source:
          This person used to be with the Clintons.

          http://www.dickmorris.com/rogue-spooks- … ald-trump/

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 11 days agoin reply to this

            That link tells one much about how factual your info is. Never mind....lol

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
              Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days agoin reply to this

              Did you read the book?

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 11 days agoin reply to this

                No Kat, Dick Morris will sell out to whichever party who will hire him. He has no real political beliefs, simply monetary opportunities. Do you even remember the infamous incident when he drank champagne out of some ladies slipper? Yes, why would I even consider reading anything that hack wrote? I'll leave that to you and the other conspiracy theorists. tongue

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days agoin reply to this

                  What is your proof that you are on the People's side? Are you for removing the right to bear arms?

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 11 days agoin reply to this

                    Not at all, Kat. I have an assault rifle which I bought many years ago as an investment. I also own shotguns, hunting rifles of several calibers, and a few handguns. As you already know I'm basically a Democrat, and like many of my ilk, have no problem with people owning firearms for both hunting and protection. I don't know anyone in my party personally who wants to take all of the firearms from the citizens. We do however, wish for limits on weapons which are used for attacking innocent people.

                    The Right makes it sound as if that's the case, but it's far from the truth. How many firearms do you possess if you believe in the Deep State's existence? You must have an abundance of weapons if you truly believe the Deep State exists or you're not a true patriot.

  20. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 days ago

    The question still remains as to what happened to this 64 year old man in Las Vegas. I will continue to suspect foul play. Even for some one messed up on pharmaceuticals, it was pretty extreme. Some source claimed he was planning a similar event in Chicago. I can't stand it.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 11 days agoin reply to this

      He'd booked a room at another even a week or so before the LV shooting, but didn't check in for some reason. Apparently he wanted to have trial run..

      1. The0NatureBoy profile image76
        The0NatureBoyposted 10 days agoin reply to this

        Or "Deep State" booked a room in his name without his knowing it so they could imply he had. There are 360 degrees to everything said, don't only look at the 180 proclaimed and not the possibility of an hidden reality.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 9 days agoin reply to this

          You're really struggling with your speculation. Give me one real example of the Deep State doing anything at all. roll

          1. The0NatureBoy profile image76
            The0NatureBoyposted 7 days agoin reply to this

            No one not interested in any truth other than what they believe is true can never be convinced until they convince themselves that they may be in error.

            What I know about the government behind the US government, revealed in the "patriot act" written by them, show me they have no limit in how far they will go to convince human-en-mass. They already know man will not be fooled is why they have prepared so many concentration camps with one designed to gas especially man to death.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 7 days agoin reply to this

              BS on your claims, NB! Got any facts to back up your nonsense? roll

            2. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
              Kathryn L Hillposted 6 days agoin reply to this

              You are against the Patriot Act and view it as part of the shadow government. Bush, a Republican signed it into law. Some think it is a bad thing because it infringes upon civil liberties. Some think it is a good thing because it protects us against terrorism.

              This is the conclusion of an article regarding this issue:
              "Many of the electronic surveillance provisions in the Patriot Act faced serious opposition prior to September 11 from a coalition of privacy advocates, computer users, and elements of high-tech industry. The events of September 11 convinced many in that coalition and overwhelming majorities in Congress that law enforcement and national security officials need new legal tools to fight terrorism. But we should not forget what gave rise to the original opposition—many aspects of the bill increase the opportunity for law enforcement and the intelligence community to return to an era where they monitored and sometimes harassed individuals who were merely exercising their First Amendment rights. Nothing that occurred on September 11 mandates that we return to such an era. If anything, the events of September 11 should redouble our resolve to protect the rights we as Americans cherish. Therefore, as the new powers granted under the Patriot Act begin to be exercised, we should not only feel more confident that our country has the tools to be safe but we should be ever vigilant that these new tools are not abused."
              FROM https://www.americanbar.org/publication … desta.html

              I would agree that it is not a part of the shadow government, but just common sense in the modern era.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
                Kathryn L Hillposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                for instance:
                "In 2005, this provision of the USA PATRIOT Act was used to prosecute Yehuda Abraham for helping to arrange money transfers for British arms dealer Hermant Lakhani, who was arrested in August 2003 after being caught in a government sting. Lakhani had tried to sell a missile to an FBI agent posing as a Somali militant. The definition of counterfeiting was expanded to encompass analog, digital or electronic image reproductions, and it was made an offense to own such a reproduction device. Penalties were increased to 20 years imprisonment. Money laundering "unlawful activities" was expanded to include the provision of material support or resources to designated foreign terrorist organizations. The Act specifies that anyone who commits or conspires to undertake a fraudulent activity outside the jurisdiction of the United States, and which would be an offense in the U.S., will be prosecuted under 18 U.S.C. § 1029, which deals with fraud and related activity in connection with access devices."
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

              2. The0NatureBoy profile image76
                The0NatureBoyposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                My reading of only a part of the "Patriot Act" showed me the is what Hitler used to govern 1930s Germany, others may see something different but not me.

          2. Misfit Chick profile image92
            Misfit Chickposted 6 days agoin reply to this

            The way the divide between people has been stretched to the limits (and beyond for some) - is pretty good 'proof' that a shadow government (which is a world government, not just an American one) exists. These arguments have been going on all over the world - America was just late in revealing the divides in a really public way through the election of Trump.

            The shadows had this 'deepening divide' covered with the TWO incredibly-divisive candidates that were running for election through political parties they did not originally belong to and were trying to hijack: either Bernie or Trump would have sent this country into turmoil; because BOTH supported political stances that members of the opposing party could not tollerate: Bernie's 100% free everything would have sent the GOP into a serious tailspin, LoL! And of course, Trump offends people in both political parties.

            The fact that Dems tried to derail Bernie - and semi-succeeded - tells us that MOST of our politicians are as clueless about the existence of a shadow government as most people are (which is why harmless things like The Patriot Act can be written up - cuz gosh, doesn't it make the people feel more united and better about their government?); AND it is a really good example of how 'indirectly' the shadow operates. When it has to 'force' things, it does - but letting people 'believe that they think up things and act on their own' is their specialty. Situations are much more believable that way...

            I haven't watched this entire video, yet - and I am NOT a big David Icke fan, at all (big conspiracy theoriest - but he does have some things right). YouTube 'suggested' this for me a few days ago; and I KNOW that the title of this video is spot-on right now: Freedom of Speech: The New Evil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ySslgXITkk

            Here's one way that we can see how free speech is being evil... The shadow government has a huge section of our population believing that SINCE they now know that they exist AND are afraid of them - the things they have their fingers in 'don't actually exist'. Even though these 'unite the right' and white supremacy rallies continue to happen (and attract more followers) - they are apparently not actually happening, LoL!

            That means that real-issues like racism (which causes chaos because it goes both ways Ijeoma Oluo: 'I am drowning in whiteness' http://kuow.org/post/ijeoma-oluo-i-am-d … -whiteness) - doesn't actually exist. Because a liberal billionaire supposedly funds BLM (and also supposedly instigated some racist situations to ramp things up) - that means that the feelings that have been hyped among people don't actually exist, when they DO.

            Just because the shadow set something in motion doesn't mean that it doesn't exist - its more like a rolling stone on fire ripping through our communities, with hoardes of people insisting that it isn't happening.

            You tell me -  how damaging does that sound?

            1. The0NatureBoy profile image76
              The0NatureBoyposted 6 days agoin reply to this

              I like your style, Misfit.

            2. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

              "The way the divide between people has been stretched to the limits (and beyond for some) - is pretty good 'proof' that a shadow government (which is a world government, not just an American one) exists."

              Or that someone is playing on the gullibility and ignorance of the American people. 

              Say - aren't we hearing that the Russians have been buying thousands of ads in an effort to divide the people and create rifts?  Or maybe that's misinformation by the "shadow governments" to confuse us.  Plots within plots within plots...

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
                Kathryn L Hillposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                LOL thats it: Plots within plots within plots…

              2. Misfit Chick profile image92
                Misfit Chickposted 5 days agoin reply to this

                Yeah, that 'someone' doesn't have to be a shadow government, I suppose - LoL!

                Since this question about Las Vegas is based on one of many conspiracy theories you can run across out in Internetland... Here is David Icke's take on the Las Vegas incident. I haven't listened to him for a couple of years; but he floated across my YouTube feed the other day.

                I don't usually recommend anything from David Icke; because he's one of those conspiracy theorists who has stretched some things way out of whack. (I'm pretty sure he is the person who originated things like 'The Queen, and most politicians/world leaders are possessed by reptilian aliens (cuz aliens are now the new demons from the bible!!)'. Trust me, don't start, ha!

                However, I've watched both of these videos and he barely mentions his reptilian perspective - and one of the things that David Icke is good at is that he has been following this kind of 'shadow government' stuff for a lot longer than most of us have (probably longer than most American conspiracy theorists). He has a very logical way of disecting things and asking questions; and he does a great job of listing some of the concerning ones specifically about Las Vegas in this video/podcast. He's even listed a couple more than I thought of or was aware of.

                I know I don't have to tell any of you to listen with a grain of salt - David Icke - Las Vegas Report '2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkEs02-ciCA

                Since it is sort of from a '3rd party source' - not Kathryn's perspective nor mine; and I don't think quite anyone's perspective in here (but I can't know that for sure)... And yet, it includes pieces of what both Kathryn and I have been saying, this is a good video to watch if you want to know 'what's fishy' about Las Vegas.

                1. Misfit Chick profile image92
                  Misfit Chickposted 5 days agoin reply to this

                  For instance, David is seriously anti-Hillary & Obama (talks briefly about it, but isn't 'nasty', in the video coming up) - a lot of Tfans can certainly appreciate that about him; but he also includes Trump in the same heap - as I have from the beginning.

                  Nothing has changed, there is only one government (David actually reads & quotes from government publications that you can look up) - it doesn't matter who is in that office. He actually manages to go into that a bit without going into alien possessions - so this might be 'watchable' for most people without becoming too irritated by his colorful alien embellishments, ha!

                  David has an interesting way of presenting both parties 'as one' - Party A, Party B, we keep flipping back and forth between them while continuing to accomplish whatever the shadow government ACTUALLY wants. (He also talks about how they are trying to create a police state - by scaring us for more reasons than just trying to make us give up our guns, as Kathryn has suggested. They want us practically BEGGING for a police state! I can totally believe that.)

                  Trump does some really risky things like removing business regulations that were put in place to prevent another 2008 economic crisis (to benefit the rich, who actually rule our world); while at the same time doing little, meaningless/manipulative things that are obviously intended to keep everyone's attention diverted while we all argue about it. (The NFL protest blowup is one good example.)

                  He beefs up his base by continually doing rallies where he can talk as big as he needs to in order to fill up on whatever he gets from them that keeps him going. He does things like try to bully policies that he ran on through congress - so that his base can see that he IS working on their behalf - but, they aren't really policies that he actually cares about. Whatever keeps you wanting him in that office - that is what he will do. Want a pro-life Supreme Court nominee? Sure! Want to get rid of Obamacare? Absolutely!

                  And by the way, LOOK at how selfless I am to not take a paycheck from the American people - nevermind that it is chump-change to me. "Whatever I can do to impress them." His supporters watch him bully people across the political spectrum and his own party (as well as general people across the country & globe) - and CHEER at how adept he is at making the divides between people worse.

                  Good for Trump - THAT will show our shadow government (and especially the LEFT) that WE who elected him are boss of this country! That is what many of Trump's supporters are thinking when they are actually jumping through hoops designed for them to do just that - in the same EXACT way that Dems were jumping through hoops around Obama in 2008.

                  Trump supporters keep blaming 'fake news' and media... but, Trump is his own media. While all media sources naturally taint & twist just about every 'report' toward their chosen (left/right) audience in order to squeeze the most profit from it - he tweets his own BS on a regular basis. If you can't see what's wrong with Trump just by his tweets - I really don't know what else to say. (Don't worry, I'll think of something eventually if I have to, ha!)

                  That is my view of DT - here is David Icke's: The Secret Life Of Donald Trump
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmMkCig5AAQ

                  Most people aren't even SORT of listening to David because they consider him to be literally crazy. But, his logic is actually fairly-easy to follow (if not a little whacked-out, at times - stay on guard, don't let him wrap your mind around the concept of alien-demons, LoL!); but, it isn't like nothing he has to say makes sense - cuz a lot of it does.

                  Don't worry about any of it, though - wherever you put your attention, intentions & energy is what will become bigger. Part of the shadow government falling is simply due to us humans removing our attention from it. Don't let them keep your mind bound in fear. Once you become aware of it, it is so much easier to see through it. We have more control over our own minds than we realize - however, many of us don't 'realize' that we've ever lost (or given up) control to begin with; AND, believe it or not, some people are not capable of being manipulated or 'controlled'. wink

                  Yeah, David will also tell you that the shadow government is falling - but for different reasons than I say. It doesn't matter why or how it is falling, it is. This is because it is becoming more & more difficult for us mere humans to believe their BS, anymore - with the help of people like David who have been bringing some of the most ludicrous ideas to the internet.

                  Diversity of knowledge creates awareness - because we can't just rely on our minds, anymore. Instincts & intuition are becoming necessary for us to continue to develop & evolve. Humans are still baking; and we will be for more eons to come. smile

                2. The0NatureBoy profile image76
                  The0NatureBoyposted 4 days agoin reply to this

                  Both of those videos are blocked from being seen so I'll just have to take your word.

                  1. Misfit Chick profile image92
                    Misfit Chickposted 3 days agoin reply to this

                    Yeah, I think David Icke is censored in parts of the UK world, especially - but probably also other places (he does a lot of speaking engagements - he has also written books). The stuff he says about the Queen of England (and most every other world leader) is off the charts with regards to 'alien/demon possessions' - it is what makes his messages so outrageous to listen to - similar to a flatearther, ha!

                    However, his alien-demon accusations are so outrageous; WHILE some things he says seem SO SPOT ON (plus, he is sure that the planets & moon around us are not natural, but constructed 'alien mind-control bases'), that it has often made me wonder if the ridiculous stuff was put into his head by the shadow government to begin with (they are mind-control experts) - so that people would not be ABLE to listen to the rest of what he has to say. (You really need to be grounded in order to listen to him - to be able to separate what 'might be true' from the ridiculous. He has a lot of followers despite the unbelievable aspects of his messages.)

                    Its like David comes with his own, built-in diversions, ha! (The diversions cause confusion & FEAR, which are the biggest propaganda weapons of the shadows - very affective against someone who is trying to tell the semi-truth).

  21. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 11 days ago

    Of course. When the jet fuel--kerosene in this case--based fire weakened the steel girders the floors collapsed on one another and became even heavier the more they fell. No floors could endure the weight of concrete and steel being pressed downward on them.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
      Kathryn L Hillposted 10 days agoin reply to this

      Kerosine has a high flash point:
      Kerosene, on the other hand, is similar to diesel fuel, yet harder to ignite, requiring a stronger, hotter engine. Kerosene is used in planes as it has a high energy content, is easily transported, remains liquid over a large range of temperatures, and is readily available across the globe.  Further, with the high flash point level, it is much harder to accidentally ignite, making it safer in public spaces (such as an airport) ... Kerosene, deemed safer with a higher flash point, vast global accessibility, and potent chemical energy easily slid in as the fuel of choice for planes across the globe." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

      PS  "The fire is the most misunderstood part of the WTC collapse. Even today, the media report (and many scientists believe) that the steel melted. It is argued that the jet fuel burns very hot, especially with so much fuel present. This is not true."
      http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/01 … -0112.html
      "... each floor should have been able to support approximately 1,300 t beyond its own weight. The total weight of each tower was about 500,000 t."

      Another article: "A close look at the video/photos shows that the collapse begins at the 98th floor, then the 99th floor collapses onto the 98th, then the 100th floor collapses onto the 98th, then the 101th floor collapses onto the 98th, then the 102th floor collapses onto the 98th, etc until the second line of detonations initiates the final collapse. So once again, we have the disintegration of the tower above the impact floors, before the collapse of the tower below the impact floors.

      'Interestingly, this observation disproves the so called pancake theory, where one floor collapses onto the next lower floor, causing that floor to also collapse (not that the pancake theory made any sense anyway). Here, what we see is 5 or 6 floors in a row, all falling onto the 98th floor, which does not collapse (until the second line of explosives are detonated, taking out its support). The pancake theory would have the 98th floor collapsing onto the 97th, causing that to collapse onto the 96th, causing that to collapse onto the 95th, etc."
      FROM http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/gua … osions.htm

      The article concludes:
      "These very strange circumstances, mentioned above, have a very simple explanation: The twin towers were deliberately demolished. Occam's razor, suggests that the simplest explanation, a deliberate demolition, is probably also the correct explanation."


      The point is, what sources should we trust?

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 10 days agoin reply to this

        Kat, the steel supports do not have to get hot enough to melt. Steel loses it's strength the hotter it gets. If the jet fuel had been of high octane it would have burnt off quickly or exploded. Kerosene, like diesel, takes longer to burn so it lasts longer and causes more damage to the steel girders.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
          Kathryn L Hillposted 10 days agoin reply to this

          This article agrees:
          http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/01 … -0112.html
          "The WTC towers lasted for one to two hours—less than the design life, but only because the fire fuel load was so large. No normal office fires would fill 4,000 square meters of floor space in the seconds in which the WTC fire developed. Usually, the fire would take up to an hour to spread so uniformly across the width and breadth of the building. This was a very large and rapidly progressing fire (very high heat but not unusually high temperature)"

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 10 days agoin reply to this

            As a welder I can attest to the weakness of steel when it is exposed to heat over a long period of time. The collapse of the towers was no mystery to anyone who understands basic engineering and stress loads. The conspiracy theories are interesting, but very speculative in the process.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
              Kathryn L Hillposted 10 days agoin reply to this

              This is interesting and shows many factors were at play:

              It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C.4 This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range. But even a 50% loss of strength is still insufficient, by itself, to explain the WTC collapse.

              It was noted above that the wind load controlled the design allowables. The WTC, on this low-wind day, was likely not stressed more than a third of the design allowable, which is roughly one-fifth of the yield strength of the steel. Even with its strength halved, the steel could still support two to three times the stresses imposed by a 650°C fire.

              The additional problem was distortion of the steel in the fire. The temperature of the fire was not uniform everywhere, and the temperature on the outside of the box columns was clearly lower than on the side facing the fire. The temperature along the 18 m long joists was certainly not uniform. Given the thermal expansion of steel, a 150°C temperature difference from one location to another will produce yield-level residual stresses. This produced distortions in the slender structural steel, which resulted in buckling failures. Thus, the failure of the steel was due to two factors: loss of strength due to the temperature of the fire, and loss of structural integrity due to distortion of the steel from the non-uniform temperatures in the fire.

          2. The0NatureBoy profile image76
            The0NatureBoyposted 10 days agoin reply to this

            Jet fuel does not ignite easily. As a Jet mechanic it was demonstrated to us that a cigaret would be put out if put in JP4 aircraft fuel so a spark would not ignite it. It would have to have become fumes with plenty of oxygen for a spark to ignite it into the explosion that took place as soon as the plane allegedly entered the building.

      2. The0NatureBoy profile image76
        The0NatureBoyposted 10 days agoin reply to this

        It especially disproves the "pancake theory" since the concrete and everything within the buildings was pulverized.

  22. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 10 days ago
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    Kathryn L Hillposted 10 days ago

    This video demonstrates the importance of collecting the ACTUAL Facts. Facts, facts, facts.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQAuyG8w3ag

  24. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 10 days ago

    Yes, nature boy. There are facts and then there are facts. We do seem to have a sieve in regards to which facts we get to know … and we are blasted with lies at the same time. I think I will leave it to the surmisers on the Internet/You Tube. They are more interesting. Some people refuse to believe anyone died, all a false flag. Some insist there were other shooters in the crowd. Some say it was the work of Skull and Cross Bones and that the number 32 was relevant. (Even his brother stood in front of a house with the numbers 320 on it.) These people point out that this "blood sacrifice" took place in front of the black pyramid, the sphinx and the obelisk which are located in front of the concert area. And there is the eyewitness who reported there was a woman who proclaimed "Everyone is going to die tonight!" Another woman said her friend took a bullet directly into her stomach indicating that there was more than one shooter with bullets were coming from different angels and distances. That same night there was a lock down at the Bellagio hotel because a shooter had shot out a window, denied by the media. And on and on.

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image76
      The0NatureBoyposted 6 days agoin reply to this

      Have you seen the facts presented in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeK … e=youtu.be concerning Las Vegas' shooting?

  25. ptosis profile image80
    ptosisposted 10 days ago

    https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13731558.jpg

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
      Kathryn L Hillposted 10 days agoin reply to this

      Yep.
      I have just decided that Common Core is to confuse the simple minded (or the average intelligence) and only a few (nerds) will get it. Those few will survive. The rest will probably just perish. I wish I could believe everything is fine.
      No wonder the majority (?) just goes along with the media's spin/ the program. For the sake of their sanity. neutral

      1. The0NatureBoy profile image76
        The0NatureBoyposted 9 days agoin reply to this

        Kathryn,
        Everything "is fine" because it is the Zeroverse's design for every life-force to go through the cycles to earth civilizations' ends many times before they go through it as one of the 7 to 800 million beings who survive it. [see my hub "The Bible's Message" for details.]  That is why the majority accepts the media's spin, it is a requirement of existence.

        The thing for those of us who have vision is to relearn how to live ecologically and reject economic living which is the prerequisite for surviving the end. That is how Genesis 3:24's "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life" should b e interpreted to mean. The "flame" purifies our minds of the concepts of good and evil [and a multitude of other "judgmental adjectives"] so we can accept the opposites in existence and the "sword" is for cutting us away from all attachments so we can live ecological dependent. The existence's cycles must never end.

  26. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 9 days ago

    "  … definition from the NYTimes: 'A hard-to-perceive level of government or super-control that exists regardless of elections and that may thwart popular movements or radical change."
    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskThe_Donald/ … e_id_like/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activ … ted_States

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image76
      The0NatureBoyposted 8 days agoin reply to this
      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 days agoin reply to this

        Will do.

    2. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 8 days agoin reply to this

      Is this proof of a crime being committed by the "Deep State? And I thought you detested the NYT because it's fake news? lol

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 days agoin reply to this

        We need a new thread: Proof of the Deep State. Actually from what I have been reading/researching, it is very hard to prove: Because it is hard to perceive. Especially by those who are blue eyed in innocence and idealism. What color are your eyes, Randy?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 7 days agoin reply to this

          Brown and intelligent eyes, Kat! smile They do not see mythical conspiracies easily..

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
            Kathryn L Hillposted 6 days agoin reply to this

            Here is something for you, Randy ... to laugh at hysterically! (Many do believe it, however).

 
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