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Antifa Plans "Deface Columbus Day"

  1. colorfulone profile image90
    colorfuloneposted 9 days ago

    Fox News reported the Antifa threats to deface Christopher Columbus monuments and statues across America on Monday.  (2:23)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont … ok0WUlkvto

    Antifa's Violent History Explained (4:54)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont … RXlAu1Pjsg

    "The fascsists of the future will call themselves antifascists".
    ~ Winston Churchill

    Sheriff Deputy gives warning about planned Nov 4th ANTIFA Event 

    "When antifa was able to get themselves going and they showed up, they started truly an all-out war on innocent people and the videos and the discussions that have come out are so disturbing and disgusting and yet I never hear a word from the liberal media that leads me into antifa's next step...on their website they are calling for an open civil war that they will start here in the United States in November.

    They are fundraising for weapons, training, ammunition and supplies and they're not hiding this. They are openly fundraising so that they could get the stuff together and attack and this is verbatim. What they're going to do - they will start off by attacking police officers, first responders, anybody that's in uniform. And after they have disrupted that enough in the nation, and us first responders are literally going everywhere trying to resolve things, they will then go after the citizens and the people and the government and all that. So if you're white, you're a Trump supporter, so you're a Nazi to them and it will be open game on you. I don't know why we're allowing this but it is time that, honestly, if our leaders and our leadership isn't going to step up and finish this, we have to...each and every one of us has to and that is our right and that is what we must do anyway".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont … bmrgpQiIcQ

    Good to see The New York Times is starting to pick up on Antifa.
    "The tug of war — more than the lingering squabbles between supporters of Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont — foreshadows a once-in-a-generation reorganization of the American left that could dictate the tactics and ideology of the Democratic Party for years to come."
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/us/p … ising.html

    Antifa To Start A Revolution On Nov 4? (6:05)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont … B_7zBfsm_4

    For some reason the liberal media won't really report on Antifa, if they do, they white wash.  There is a lot of information on the web since 2016.  It sure seems the far-left wants to push for a civil war.

    Antifa should be labeled a terrorist group.  Subversive!

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 9 days agoin reply to this

      Have heard that several areas have trashed Columbus day, replacing it with "indigenous people" day.  Don't suppose there will ever be an end to what people can find to be "offended" at.

      1. colorfulone profile image90
        colorfuloneposted 9 days agoin reply to this

        Thank you, for the update. 
        Roger that!

        1. Castlepaloma profile image28
          Castlepalomaposted 8 days agoin reply to this

          The only thing Columbus did positive was show most of the Europeans. That the world was not flat. In which they mistaken from the bibles.

          The native slavery, gold rush, piracy, and genecide the natives did not like but the christain loved.

    2. Credence2 profile image84
      Credence2posted 9 days agoin reply to this

      Colorfulone, One hundred percent pure bullsh*t, I have to say that your style is consistent if not anything else

      Who is this 'Sheriff's Deputy', beside some right wing clown in uniform?

      If revolution starts it will be the traditional intolerance of the Right that will start it...

      but Columbus is tomorrow, we will see what is true in regards to your statement or otherwise.......

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 8 days agoin reply to this

        Credence, I hope this thread is the usual bullsh*t but with all the videos of riots and violence by antifa I will say the war will be started by the left, if one is to be, and the left will, as usual, refuse to take responsibility for the violence and blame the right for it.

        Out of all of the years Obama was in office and the right was so offended, did we have one riot? Did we have one civil unrest? What we had was the stage being set for antifa to create a very ugly head.

        1. Credence2 profile image84
          Credence2posted 8 days agoin reply to this

          L to L,

          We will agree to disagree on your first paragraph.

          We haven't had any riots, just protests that the Right likes to elevate into a riot because they don't like the messages being sent by the disaffected. It could be as simple as an NFL player choosing to kneel rather than stand during the anthem  They want to control your behavior, thoughts and affections, but that is for another thread. All of us do not approve of the status quo, and if that is made clear peacefully who has the right to complain?

          Most of the conservative base consist of primarily older white folks, it is a little harder to be physically active from that perspective.

      2. promisem profile image94
        promisemposted 8 days agoin reply to this

        Funny how extremists on the right are outraged by a handful of trouble makers on the left making noise about Columbus Day, but they show zero outrage about a gun extremist who shoots hundreds of people in Vegas.

        Total hypocrisy.

        1. Credence2 profile image84
          Credence2posted 8 days agoin reply to this

          They are quick to immerse themselves in mindless speculation about something that their false prophets say is to occur, while ignoring the violence right before their very face. See how quickly the Right and gun lobbies start making excuses for the LV attacker?

          I am sorry, but I work real hard to find anything note worthy about the Right, but I am strained. I am naturally at odds with 90% of their points of view on most issues of the day.

          1. promisem profile image94
            promisemposted 8 days agoin reply to this

            Credence, like any other groups of people, there are good conservatives and bad ones.

            The good ones understand the Constitution and respect the rights of all people. The bad ones want a one-party political system, embrace Russian propaganda and think the 2nd Amendment is the only one worth keeping, among their other flaws.

            1. Credence2 profile image84
              Credence2posted 8 days agoin reply to this

              Promisem, outside of your declaration and the statements from fellow hubber GA Anderson, I see no hint of moderation of any sort from the Right. I would have better luck going 'snipe' hunting.

              Is the definition of what constitutes being a "conservative" being redefined over recent years?
              With whom have you been more snarled in contrary debate?

              Appears that respecting the rights of all people have clearly moved into the Progressive/Left column. I don't see any of that in the Age of Trump, a person who is being embraced by most of the rightwing types out there.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                'Is the definition of what constitutes being a "conservative" being redefined over recent years?"

                I think it most definitely has morphed into something ugly. Reasonable conservatism is no longer featured in Washington or in the Republican party. I, as a liberal, miss the days when conservatives would present a rational, productive alternative to liberal policies. It keeps us in line, just as we kept conservatives in line. Now, it is all we can do to fight right-wing, anti intellectual, misinformed ideologues who stupidly deny science and put their support behind an incompetent, insane clown.

                1. Credence2 profile image84
                  Credence2posted 8 days agoin reply to this

                  As always, you're right on target, Panther.

                  I appreciate the need for balance provided against excesses from either side. When conservatives focused more on fiscal issues, spending etc, it was ok. They were smart enough to leave "The New Deal" and its policies alone as an established staple of American politics. So many of the Right's adherents cling to ignorance, wrapping it around them like a warm blanket or puffing up with pride as if inauguration into its ranks is to be flaunted like a medal.

                  Someone like Trump as POTUS I would have thought would be unimaginable in modern times.....

              2. promisem profile image94
                promisemposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                Credence, the fact that bad conservatives exist does not mean that all conservatives are bad. Unfortunately, the bad conservatives yell louder than the good ones.

                Do you agree or disagree that not all liberals are good?

                1. Credence2 profile image84
                  Credence2posted 8 days agoin reply to this

                  Credence, the fact that bad conservatives exist does not mean that all conservatives are bad. Unfortunately, the bad conservatives yell louder than the good ones.

                  Do you agree or disagree that not all liberals are good?
                  ------------------------------------------------------
                  Promisem, the problem is that the 'bad conservatives' define politics on the Right today. And heaven help us, their philosophy is being presented as a way to govern the country.  I would not consider, McConnell, Ryan or Trump as moderate conservatives, would you? The bad conservatives yell louder and are heard farther because they are the exclusive chorus. The few that in the Senate that might be considered moderate were beaten down by their reactionary party brethren. McCain, Susan Collins for example. Where is the extreme left on the opposite pole? I don't see them in the seats of power. So many of certain conservatives say they separate themselves from the GOP, but to me, you are all in the same boat. When push come to shove they will advocate to support Trump, come hell or high water. So that is just 6 of one and half dozen of the other......

                  It is not a simple concept of liberals being good or bad, many of us are just left of center, that was primarily where Obama was. He tried to compromise with the GOP and that foul radical wing of the House of Representatives. Where did it get him? Look at the GOP, who deliberately excludes input on legislation from the Democrats. Fortunately, Trump may be forced to review this idea if he hopes to get anything done in his first year. I don't see today's Left as being as obnoxious or in positions to be trusted to run it all, as GOP reactionaries represented by Trump are currently.

                  The Left has not really been as divisive and as trouble as the Right is currently since the Sixties.

          2. GA Anderson profile image84
            GA Andersonposted 2 days agoin reply to this

            Hi Cred, what excuses are you talking about? I haven't heard anything but questions about why so little has been released about the shooter.

            I'm not talking about conspiracy rants, but otherwise, I don't know what excuses the Right and Gun Lobbies have made.

            GA

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 2 days agoin reply to this

              Presumably in attempts to understand the "why" - what possible motive could there be for such an action.  We know the "what" - people died - but the "why" seems to be a complete mystery (except, of course, a gun caused it all).

              (I know, I know.  Shouldn't be snarky.  But I haven't heard any attempt from the left at understanding, yet - just attempts at gun controls.)

            2. Credence2 profile image84
              Credence2posted 32 hours agoin reply to this

              I have heard from sources of the right that George Soros was the underlying cause of the massacre.
              Then, the Monday morning quarterback stuff, 'the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun'.

              http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/las … 81276.html

              Just like certain gun enthusiasts are convinced that the Left is out to take all of their guns, I am of the opinion that there is not a gun that the Right does not like and that it would do everything in its power to resist any restrictions placed on them contrary to anything they trumpet today and now. In other words I will believe the GOP and the NRA resolve to control the availability of the accessory, bump stocks, for example, when I see it.

              But, I will have to admit that Colorfulone's tirade at the opening of this thread was not encouraging a moderation stance on my part as supporter of the Left, generally.

              1. colorfulone profile image90
                colorfuloneposted 31 hours agoin reply to this

                Tirade?  If you mean the denunciation or condemnation of the left's own announcements of planned behaviors, I can go with that.   The left has a problem, the left is the problem.  That's how I see it. 

                I had been sitting on the topics for days before I decided to post a "heads up"... for people to be aware and to be safe out there.   I was in peace then, and I am in peace now.

                It seems to me you were just triggered and went into a tirade, but that as expected.  Your projection isn't going to work.  And, it isn't going to make me not post when I feel that's the thing to do.  I really do care, and if my post will keep one person for being harmed by Antifa...well, thank God. 

                The Democratic party is big, big trouble financially.  The RINO Republicans are in big trouble too and they know it.  There is a populous movement and its just gaining more and more steam, people are woke. 

                Nancy Polosi, denounced Antifa, but not until after receiving a massive amount of calls to speak up. She had to be woken.

                1. Credence2 profile image84
                  Credence2posted 31 hours agoin reply to this

                  "The Democratic party is big, big trouble financially.  The RINO Republicans are in big trouble too and they know it.  There is a populous movement and its just gaining more and more steam, people are woke."
                  ------------------------------------------
                  We will just have to see about that, won't we, Colorfulone?

                  I am determined to resist the nefarious influence of the political Right on the American political scene. So may the best advocates win......

                  1. colorfulone profile image90
                    colorfuloneposted 31 hours agoin reply to this

                    I think you were the one who announced in the forms last year that Trump was being called "the populist".   You were right, but I'm not sure you realize what that meant then and means now.  Its a movement. A populist movement is happening in other countries too, not just in America.

                    Added: I am denouncing the nefarious on both sides that don't serve the people and our best interests.

              2. GA Anderson profile image84
                GA Andersonposted 29 hours agoin reply to this

                With opinion pieces like the one you linked as your sources Cred, I can certainly see why we are often at variance in our opinions.

                And if those "sources of the Right" that you mentioned, that spoke of a Soros involvement, are the type of ones that came up in a Google search, then it is no wonder you think all Conservatives are bad.


                ps. That old line: I saw it on the internet, so it must be true." is a lie Cred. You should vet your sources, at least a little, before you absorb what they say. On both sides of the coin.

                pps. Here's one you will probably like: Pres. Donald Trump Is Really an Actor Impersonator


                GA

                1. Credence2 profile image84
                  Credence2posted 28 hours agoin reply to this

                  My fault for not taking enough time to properly document my point, well, at least I don't use Salon as reference material...

                  But with the hard right, only seeing is believing as to anything they say.

                  We did agree on the 2nd amendment interpretation on another thread.

                  1. GA Anderson profile image84
                    GA Andersonposted 28 hours agoin reply to this

                    Well, it is a good thing that you at least consider Salon a biased source. ;-)

                    But it was just a good natured jab bud, we have agreed on other things in the past. That is why I am still optimistic that there is hope for you. The Force is strong.

                    GA

                  2. Ewent profile image81
                    Ewentposted 12 hours agoin reply to this

                    Try forcing Fox News to prove their sources. The only reason they don't go down for libel and slander is that it's owned by a billionaire with the money like Trump to buy his way out of anything illegal.

    3. ptosis profile image80
      ptosisposted 8 days agoin reply to this

      And that's all I needed to read before realizing ... B.S'r!

      You 'get' your 'information' from a news entertainment propaganda machine?

      Utterly pathetic to observe such a self-unaware trumpeting B.S. - oh wait - that's your God, 'Ol Bone Spurs.

      https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13733680.jpg

    4. promisem profile image94
      promisemposted 8 days agoin reply to this

      I see a lot of claims of potential violence on right-wing blogs, but so far today I don't see a shread of news about actual defacing or any other problems -- including the right-wing blogs.

      There are a few scattered reports about petitions against Columbus Day.

      1. promisem profile image94
        promisemposted 8 days agoin reply to this

        It's 6:41 p.m. I still can't find any reports of Columbus Day violence.

        Could this be another fake news event from extremists trying to divide the country?

        1. colorfulone profile image90
          colorfuloneposted 8 days agoin reply to this

          They called it "Deface Columbus Day" for today.  I didn't hear about any violence planned for today. 

          I have two different topics here. I should have started another thread so it wasn't confusing. Live and learn...

          On their website they announced a violent campaign on police and then on civilians starting on Nov. 4th. Hopefully, it will get nipped in the bud.  At any rate, I don't expect it would last too long since its going to start getting cold.   I just wanted to give people a heads up.  Be aware of your surroundings out there, and be safe.

          ADDED:  I saw some reports of Columbus statues vandalized again.

    5. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 8 days agoin reply to this

      Just another scare tactic to keep the misinformed all riled up and fearful of those who have different ideologies. Obama isn't in office anymore, so they have to invent another bogeyman.

      By the way, what happened to that martial law Obama was going to declare? Where are those FEMA death camps you all were going to be put in?

      I would like an answer, please.


      As for the rest of you more "reasonable" eighties, if you find yourself buying into colorfulone's scare tactics, a little self reflection might be in order.

  2. Venkatachari M profile image82
    Venkatachari Mposted 8 days ago

    This is an alarming as well as very interesting news. I went to Columbus Day on Wikipedia and read a lot of stuff which portrays both positive and negative points for celebrating the event. So, I think it is a personal belief to celebrate it and nobody should force it or oppose it.  Violence and terror are not at all welcome.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image28
      Castlepalomaposted 8 days agoin reply to this

      Columbus was my hero, for what they taught me in school. Then later I built a few museum displays of Columbus and found he was the mother load of bad ideas. America has a long history of celebrating outlaws and villians.

      Columbus represents the raping and piliaging of US corperation worldwide. Acts of mix of piratcy and empires hierarchy at work.  If america want to change this direction of our owner and being worst economic slaves. We must address the worst mental illness. That would be GREEDY hierarchy on planet earth today.

      I always fully support protesters in a peaceful and honest way. If protesters use violence and destruction of property, that defeats their purpose and form another hypocrisy.

      Often you see setups of people hired to create false flag or mischeif to protesters to defeat their purpose. As it happens also with other false flags around the world.

      1. Credence2 profile image84
        Credence2posted 8 days agoin reply to this

        Columbus did not "discover" America, but an island or two in the Caribbean. I couldn't confirm that by watching that Bugs Bunny cartoon.

        If he generally represents the first European incursion into the New World, ok. The celebration really poses no problem for me as long as everybody knows what it was really about.

        I say the same about the Confederate Monuments....

        If there is a point to made on either side, let it be conducted in a peaceful way. Protests are certainly welcome....

  3. colorfulone profile image90
    colorfuloneposted 8 days ago

    RevAbolitionMov  - RAM -  https://twitter.com/RevAbolitionist
    (You can find a link their website on their Twitter page.)

    Hash-tags to follow on social media sites.
    #F*ckColumbusDay
    #DestroyColonialism

    Antifa Groups Plan Nationwide "Deface Columbus Day" Acts For Monday
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-0 … cts-monday

    This sure is a controversial topic, I am actually remaining neutral.
    Sitting back (in peace) watching and eating popcorn.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 8 days agoin reply to this

      By the way, what happened to that martial law Obama was going to declare? Where are those FEMA death camps you all were going to be put in?

      1. colorfulone profile image90
        colorfuloneposted 8 days agoin reply to this

        Nothing there that I ever said. I do remember posting about martial-law laws.

        Right now under the Trump Administration is what I am focus on. I certainly hope we never will have go to martial law, that has always been my hope.

        What is it like around FEMA camps where hurricane victims are being housed?  It is like martial law?  I honestly do not know.  Curiosity may get the best of me there, so I may research that.  If you happened to stumble on some info, please share it.  (And, BTW, FEMA camps are not death camps. They are shelters.)

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 8 days agoin reply to this

          Hmmm, I recall several instances where you shared scary stuff like that. You've forgotten?

          1. colorfulone profile image90
            colorfuloneposted 8 days agoin reply to this

            Well, that does sound like a perception of yours.
            But, that hasn't been my reality. 
            This isn't scary stuff to me, I just like to share information.
            Eyes wide open!

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 8 days agoin reply to this

              So, you deny you shared  links stating that Obama was going to declare martial law, seize all guns, and put his opponents in camps?

              1. colorfulone profile image90
                colorfuloneposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                I remember a hubber who was saying stuff like that, (and posting links something like that).  We had some conversations, he hasn't been around for a long time.  I thought he was way out there, but I never put him down for speaking his mind or for sharing information.   He was a prepper, do you remember him?

                I remember sharing government links with martial-law laws that had been amended, which just happened to be during the O'Adm.  Laws get amended all the time, that's nothing new.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                  Wow. Okay. roll

                  1. colorfulone profile image90
                    colorfuloneposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                    Sgt. prepper.  Remember him?

              2. Venkatachari M profile image82
                Venkatachari Mposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                It would have been better if he seized all those guns and criminalized the possession or use of them. The world (USA) would have been better than it is today.
                Now, Trump should do the same thing.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                  I disagree. Our 2nd Amendment guarantees our right to bear arms. I believe we need far more regulation, though.

                2. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                  In what way?  Outside of calming irrational fears of some people, how would the US or the world be a better place?

    2. promisem profile image94
      promisemposted 8 days agoin reply to this

      CO, I hope you agree that actions are more important than words. If they do anything violent, they deserve condemnation from both the right and the left. If they don't do anything, then they are just hot air.

      1. Venkatachari M profile image82
        Venkatachari Mposted 8 days agoin reply to this

        True. Actions matter and not those words uttered. Violence should be condemned and punished. But not the Freedom of Speech.

  4. colorfulone profile image90
    colorfuloneposted 8 days ago

    NYPD provides 24/7 protection for Columbus statue ahead of holiday
    http://nypost.com/2017/10/04/columbus-c … d-service/

    Can you believe that...
    Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
    In 2017 we need armed guards to protect a statue.

    We are certainly in a weird paradigm. 
    Did the train jump the rails?

  5. colorfulone profile image90
    colorfuloneposted 7 days ago

    If you end up with the same story that you sought to tell, you are probably not listening.  If you are genuinely seeking the truth, your understanding is going to evolve according to how much information you are able to obtain access to and consume.  Your going to re-calibrate.  With every bit of knowledge, we recalibrate as our understanding increases.  It is a part of a process of becoming more powerful and better...

    If a person cannot use logic, that is cognitive dissidence.

  6. colorfulone profile image90
    colorfuloneposted 2 days ago

    Craig "Sawman" Sawyer

    "Q: How many hooded subversives do you think will be immediately exterminated on the 4th when they attempt to start a civil war?

    65 Million well-armed patriots have no sense of humor about little domestic terrorists trying to disrupt our peace for Soros. Estimated #s of antifa are 50k. Therefore, my prediction is 50k hooded snowflakes will get themselves instantly killed over something they don't even understand. Billionaire Soros will just sit back and laugh at antifa whom he calls his "useful idiots".

    What are those kids thinking? Can't they research who's behind antifa & how they're being played? Sad case of the unwitting getting themselves sacrificed for evil. Poor kids. Veterans, lock & load. Anyone with a mask or hood committing violence on the 4th has made themselves enemies of the American people. They don't even see where they're headed. God help those poor kids."

  7. Ewent profile image81
    Ewentposted 12 hours ago

    Many of my male relatives fought the Nazis in WWII. So you bet I'm anti fascist. But, I'm anti fascist for another reason much closer to home. My Dad was born in Bari, Italy where thugs known then as the "Black Hand" killed off all of the older males for no reason other than a threat to their thug leaders.

    When Mussolini strutted his stuff and came to power, my Father HATED fascism because he LIVED IT. He fled to the U.S. as a 7 year old oldest male in the family so he wouldn't be killed.

    I am anti Fascist and don't give a fat rat's patoot who hates it. I would fight a Fascist regime in this country to my death if necessary. That is how passionately patriotic I am about destroying the freedoms my father fled Italy to enjoy.

    If you are anti Fascist, you are an American patriot who knows that the Nazis are trying desperately to gain power just as much as Hitler did. And, if you know Trump, you know his own first wife, Ivana, told reporters back in the 80s that Trump kept many of Hitler's books at his bedside and read them voraciously. When asked what Trump seemed most interested in, Ivana said, "He was studying on how Hitler came to power."

    As for Fox News. It isn't a reliable, truthful news source. It is owned by ultra right wing billionaire, Rupert Murdoch, with whom Trump has had decades of friendship.

    So when right wingers try out their "alternate facts," all they do is prove covfefe is comprised of Fox News distortions of things we know we can prove in a court of law and they can't.

 
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