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   ptosisposted 6 years ago

   It's pretty telling that Trump considered McCain calling out "blood & soil" as a personal attack. Those bigot nationalists are his people.
   
   President Trump warned on Tuesday that he would "fight back" after Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) delivered a blunt denunciation of nationalist forces "People have to careful, because at some point I fight back. I'm being very nice. I'm being very, very nice. But at some point I fight back, and it won't be pretty."
   
   Threatening a former Vietnam POW with fatal cancer. Disgusting
   
   What did McCain say that got General Incompetence threatening a U.S. Senator?
   
   Here it is:
   
   “To fear the world we have organized and led for three-quarters of a century, to abandon the ideals we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations of international leadership and our duty to remain ‘the last best hope of earth’ for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems,” McCain said, “is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that Americans consigned to the ash heap of history.”
   
   America is about what America stands for, McCain said.
   
   “We live in a land made of ideals, not blood and soil,” he said. “We have a moral obligation to continue in our just cause, and we would bring more than shame on ourselves if we don’t. We will not thrive in a world where our leadership and ideals are absent. We wouldn’t deserve to.”
   
   
   
   Threatening government officials of the United States is a felony under federal law. What do you think Trump meant by his threat, violence? Or withholding medical care for a dying man? What do you think Trump had in mind when threatening a U.S. Senator with something 'ugly'?
   
   Meanwhile Florida announced a state of emergency 3 days prior to rally by Richard Spencer who calls for “peaceful ethnic cleansing”  - the same one who coined the term “alt-right” to make the group’s views more palatable.  He's one of the people Trump defended by saying 'both sides' and not condemning white supremacist views.
   
   
   

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      PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Trump is a cowardly bully not fit to lick John McCain's shoes.
      
      The more he talks, the more people see it.  I find those who continue to defend the racist man-child to be far more scary than the insane clown in high office.  They put him there and they keep him going.
      
      He is a low, low man in a high place.
      
      "A hero is someone who understands the responsibility that comes with his freedom."

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         ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks you-all

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            PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            ??

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   ptosisposted 6 years ago

   The silence is deafening. Will anybody speak out against racism? No? Nobody out there?
   
   white people perpetuate racism by denying that they are racist and
   by being afraid of racial controversy. “We need to stop wondering ‘am I racist?’ and ask how aware we are of the concerns of people of other races,”
   
   Silent racism is dangerous because it is insidious: It is hidden, and yet silent racism contributes daily to the institutional racism

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      Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Consider my post as speaking out, I have brought this topic up more than once....

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   Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

   Yes, those who defend his behavior are not ashamed of his rude, lewd conduct. Strange that many of these same protagonists call themselves Xtians.

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      PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      With their support of Trump, Christians have been exposed for what they really are.

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         ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Christians are not holier than thou, just forgiven, and then that what gets them smug.

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            PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I am perfectly confident they are not holier than me.  Many of them, however, believe otherwise.  That is why they are often so despicable.
            
            Before I get piled on, not all Christians are hypocrites.  However, if you're a Christian and you voted for Trump, you have been exposed.

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               ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               uh-uh - no way!
               I don't agree with that.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  What part do you disagree with?

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         Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         So true, I know a few believers who'll get really angry when you try to question them about what they see "Christlike" in his behavior. I thought they were supposed to simply "turn the other cheek." I suppose they haven't read the rulebook....

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   GA Andersonposted 6 years ago

   The OP, (minus the cute graphic), seemed a good conversation starter, even if it was an invitation for a Trump pile-on, but for it to degenerate so quickly into a Christian bashing thread - with the bashers so enthusiastically jumping on, has certainly changed that.
   
   Do you folks understand how such comments reflect on you?
   
   ps. silly me, I even had to Google what "Xtains" meant. Is its use intended as just shorthand for Christian, or does it have a more slanderous connotation?
   
   GA

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      PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I don't mind you chastising me, and I agree that some will judge me for judging Christians. We all judge each other all the time.
      
      As long as you are similarly outraged by every instance of one group or person judging another,  then you're on firm ground.

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         GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         There was no chastisement intended Prettypanther. It was just my opinion, an observation - posted as a general reply, and not specifically directed.
         
         Also, I might feel comfortable that your recall of my forum contributions would find me on fairly solid ground by your parameter - although my perspective was about the "denigration," not the judging, and "outraged" is much stronger then I would have said.
         
         GA

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            PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I understand. Is labeling a Christian who voted for Trump  a "hypocrite" what you consider to be denigrating?  Or, is it because I  said so many are "despicable"? Is that bashing?
            
            Christians have consistently been on the wrong side of history,  especially when it comes to equal rights for all of humanity. That's pretty despicable to me.
            
            But, you're right.  I have not been in a mood to cut any Trump supporter,  Christian or otherwise,  any kind of slack for quite awhile now.  I  am aware of it, and I  feel no remorse or hesitancy whatsoever about my blunt and caustic behavior.  They voted for chaos and hate and discord and selfishness and pettiness. Let them experience the consequence of their choices.  The rest of us have to endure the daily onslought of embarrassing stupidity emanating from their choice. The blow back they are getting from me and others is wholly deserved.
            
            Keep trying to rein me in, though. Every time you do,  I  do think about whether what I have stated is unwarranted and will acknowledge when I regret crossing my own line.
            
            This isn't one of those times, though. I  mean every word  I've written here.

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Dern GA, I thought you were a word person being in the newspaper game and all that!
      
      It's easier to write is all there is to it, but if the Xtians don't like it, all the better.  And I care not how they like my comments. I often disagree with theirs as well.

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         GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Hi Randy,
         
         I was serious when I said I had to look it up, I didn't know it was a term for Christians. (and no matter what game I am in, I am sure this is not the only word I am not familiar with.  I remember once having to be straightened out about "lizard brain," which I thought was just a slander. Come to think of it, it might have been PrettyPanther that enlightened me. ;-) )
         
         But, knowing, now, that it does, it seems its use might be intended to be similar to "name-calling." Plus, remembering, from a few years back, some controversy over the use of X-mas for Christmas, also seems to reinforce my perception of the reason for its use.
         
         Brevity does have its value, (although I rarely qualify), and since that was your reason for using it ...
         
         GA

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            PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, it was me who used the term 'lizard brain."
            
            Good memory. 

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               GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Hmm... my wife accuses me of selective recall," (among other things). Now I am wondering what determines the "selective" part.
               
               GA

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            Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            If it offends you GA, let me know, and I'll use "believers" instead.

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               GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               A lot of behaviors bother me Randy, but very little offends me. This issue doesn't fit in that "very little" category. But thanks for the consideration.
               
               GA

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                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Give me a little break GA. I was raised in a Baptist home here on the very buckle of the Bible Belt and was forced to attend church until I was a teenager. Around here there are more Xtian churches than could possibly be filled each Sunday. In the words of Tom Sawyer, "you cain't swing a dead cat around here with hitting a Xtian up side the head."
                  
                  This part of the country is also a very racist part of the US, as are most former slave states. The slaves went from slavery to something almost as bad as their former situation. This something was called "share cropping." I'm sure you're aware of the practice, but perhaps not fully. Many big landowners would pay for the seed and fertilizer for a sharecropper to do all the labor. He would furnish the farmer with a place to live--often old slave dwellings--and pay the farmer off in script or tokens which could only be spent at the landowners commissary. This way the landowner eventually recovered all of the profits from the crops with higher than normal prices at the commissary.
                  
                  I'm telling you all this because in many cases these landowners were also preachers. I personally knew such a person and he was as evil a man as I've ever met in my long life. To this day I've never met but one honest preacher. He worked during the week and preached for free on Sunday.
                  
                  But then, I could be wrong........

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                     GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Hi Randy, I did give you a break, or at least I thought it was one. You know, when I said it didn't offend me, but thanks for offering the consideration....
                     
                     I can understand your perception, as related in your sharecropper story. Way back in the televangelist scandals days I asked a quietly religious relative what those scandals did to their faith. His answer was simple and sincere: "The Bible tells us to put our faith in God, not man, for man is imperfect."
                     
                     I had no more questions and nothing for response. That might also be a fair consideration when lumping all Christians, (except that one good one you mentioned), together as one.
                     
                     GA

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                        Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        I'll simply reply to your comment this way, GA. If a black person had the temerity to enter the church I was made to attend, I would have feared for his/her life.. One has to live among racists to understand what they are capable of doing to those they feel superior to. You'll have to take my word for it unless you want to read this:
                        
                        https://letterpile.com/creative-writing … -The-World

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                           GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           I don't need to take your word for it Randy. I am old enough to have lived when those attitudes were much less covert, and those towns and communities were much more commonly found.
                           
                           I have also seen those times change . I believe that generally we have made great strides, but I am not naive enough to think they no longer exist.
                           
                           If you are tying these experiences of racism and extreme conservatism to Christians solely from your personal "church folks" experiences, then I think you might be missing a couple other very probable motivators that have nothing to do with religion, but with which religion is usually a part of the parcel.
                           
                           However, I never intended this to become a religious discussion. I put forth an opinion/observation, you offered an explanation and answer - so we're all good for the next topic that arises.
                           
                           ps. just so there is no misunderstanding, I think we ended on a good note. Hopefully you do too.
                           
                           GA

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                              Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              I agree, GA. I always enjoy talking with you.

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