Is Russia interference still a hoax? What is going on?

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  1. dianetrotter profile image70
    dianetrotterposted 9 months ago

    Mike Flynn is pleading guilty to lying.  Manafort & Gates have been indicted.  Popadopoulas (sic) is cooperating.

    1. dianetrotter profile image70
      dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Trump is incriminating himself.  Trending on Twitter.  1.  He knew Flynn lied to FBI and then 2. He told Comey to go easy on him because he was a good guy and 3. then he fired Comey.

      Those are facts - not media.  See Trump tweet below.

      Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
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      I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!

      1. dianetrotter profile image70
        dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Media is now talking about it but the tweet stands.  His attorneys need to take his phone!

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Oh my, just when I  think he can't  do anything more stupid,  he does.

    2. dianetrotter profile image70
      dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Michael Flynn Told Business Associate Russia Sanctions Would Be ‘Ripped Up,’ Whistleblower Says

      Lawmaker’s letter details whistleblower’s account of former national security adviser’s text message to ex-colleague

      By Rob Barry and  Christopher S. Stewart
      Updated Dec. 6, 2017 8:21 p.m. ET
      Former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who pleaded guilty last week to lying to the FBI about his conversation with a Russian diplomat, told an American businessman that U.S. sanctions on Russia would be “ripped up” under the Trump administration, a whistleblower told a congressman.


      https://www.wsj.com/articles/michael-fl … 1512605852

    3. Ewent profile image86
      Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      An Australian journalist has proof that Papadopolis was involved in the hacking. Now, all of the weasels are coming out of hiding.

      1. dianetrotter profile image70
        dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        It amazes me that people want to call it a hoax.  There is definitely some "there there!"  We won't know all of what it is, the extent or who was involved until Mueller reveals what he knows through indictments.

        1. Ewent profile image86
          Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Actually, by now nearly ALL of the Christopher Steele dossier has been proven to be factual. Some forget that Steele was a 25 year veteran who served as an MI6 intel covering Russia. Then, there are also the emails that were stolen by the Russians and sold to WikiLeaks from John Podesta's server and the DNC server.

          When President Obama called a meeting to discuss the fact that the UK warned the US that the election was being hacked by Russian hackers on order of Putin, the FBI, NSA and CIA all sent their top people to that meeting. President Obama knew he didn't dare make the announcement public himself because he knew the GOP would see that as a political move. At that meeting in Sept. 2016, Obama allowed ONLY the FBI, NSA and CIA experts to explain precisely "how" the Russians hacked into DNC and John Podesta's servers. Only Mitch McConnell refused to believe it.

          We know from the 2nd debate the reason why McConnell claimed it was "all a Dem attempt to throw the election," McConnell was already taking part in the $100 million Trump donated as Trump stated in the 2nd debated to the RNC campaign coffers.

          The reality of the Russian interference is that it was already discovered prior to the DNC email theft that the Pentagon and even the White House servers had also been hacked.

          We know now that Putin used Cozy Bear, RT and Guccifer 2.0, all Russian media hackers to post misinformation to several online sites and used bots on right wing sites to respond to anyone who posted facts. The idea was to manufacture as much election misinformation about Hillary Clinton whom Putin hates as possible.

          1. dianetrotter profile image70
            dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            I'm trying to figure out the extent of David(Daniel?) Nunes' involvement.  This is like watching a soap opera in real time.

  2. dianetrotter profile image70
    dianetrotterposted 9 months ago

    Now Flynn has named names of people he talked with in the inner circle.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image91
      Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      The beginning of the end for Trump!

      1. dianetrotter profile image70
        dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        It looks like Pence might get caught up in this.

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    ahorsebackposted 9 months ago

    Before you all have a nervous breakdown , Keep in mind that what is happening today is the your mainstream news media is in total meltdown ,   All through this last election  cycle  most of you although  not all, believed Hilary was ordained to office ,   I mean the media told you so !   Why wouldn't she ?    But what so many of you can't fathom is that your news media is and has been  in Full Damage Control for about five years .

    Obama  was the last elected president primarily with the full intent and purpose of the brainwashing of the American public.     Why so many of you cannot see that the established two party system , the mainstream news media and  powers like corporate holly-wood  are tweaking your minds is beyond the Trump Voters,  who by the way won the last presidential election .

    Newsflash ;   There is no Russian Boggy -Man in the whitehouse , there is only the petty , childish , immature , mind -losing , ideology of a news media lost , sinking and drowning in a quagmire  of it's own making .   150 years ago the mainstream news media could create a "Famous Outlaw" out of an eighteen year old ugly kid with a six gun , Billy the Kid, today the media can't even predict a presidential election .
    But , today YOU still believe their phony  re-inventions of a singular truth ?

    I almost feel bad for you who still believe .

    1. dianetrotter profile image70
      dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      So 1) Russia is no hoax, 2) there was no attempt @ obstruction of justice, 3) Mike Flynn did not plead guilty yesterday.  BTW Fox News also covered this.

    2. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      "Obama!" "Hillary!" "Fake news!"

      Repeat.

      1. dianetrotter profile image70
        dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Thanks Pretty!  I love to stay on topic.  Deflecting doesn't address situation @ hand.  It is in the news today!

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Yep. The investigation is barely a year old. Mueller is purported to be relentlessly thorough and professional.

          The big question that will eventually be answered is, why all the lying? If a person is innocent, then lying to the FBI makes absolutely no sense.
            Flynn obviously didn't want them to know something.  What will that turn out to be?

          1. dianetrotter profile image70
            dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Actually, if you start with Mueller, it's about 6 months old.  He has a might army of experts in all possible areas of possible indictment.

            I remember all of them saying "No Russian contact!"  It seems there wasn't one that didn't have contact.  Unfortunately, it looks like Mike Pence knew, to some degree, what was going on.

            A thug was elected to run the government with his mob family.

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    svaz85635posted 9 months ago

    I'm a conservative Republican, and I'm saying Trump and his team collaborated with our enemies abroad to perpetrate an act of war on the United States calculated to and which did in fact deny the American people sovereignty over their own nation.

    If a conservative Republican like me is saying last year's "election" was a foreign-sponsored coup d'etat to install a kompromat puppet in the White House, there's probably an issue.

    1. dianetrotter profile image70
      dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      svaz, I'm an Independent.  I don't like to address it as Rep or Dem.  Trump did not have the character or temperament to become president in the first place.  He is a former Democrat.  Mike Flynn is a former Democrat.  We learn more and more every day about what took place and who was involved.

      Republicans are being held hostage.

  5. dianetrotter profile image70
    dianetrotterposted 9 months ago

    Now, there are emails!!!

    "But it is evident from the emails — which were obtained from someone who had access to transition team communications — that after learning that President Barack Obama would expel 35 Russian diplomats, the Trump team quickly strategized about how to reassure Russia. The Trump advisers feared that a cycle of retaliation between the United States and Russia would keep the spotlight on Moscow’s election meddling, tarnishing Mr. Trump’s victory and potentially hobbling his presidency from the start.

    As part of the outreach, Ms. McFarland wrote, Mr. Flynn would be speaking with the Russian ambassador, Mr. Kislyak, hours after Mr. Obama’s sanctions were announced.

    “Key will be Russia’s response over the next few days,” Ms. McFarland wrote in an email to another transition official, Thomas P. Bossert, now the president’s homeland security adviser."

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    ahorsebackposted 9 months ago

    You people are so obviously lost in space as to political memory and present reality that you might as well be on the "enterprise " going to explore distant galaxies .  Not one iota of Russian anything since the origonal Flynn , and you're all salivating rehashing old , old , old news.

    Still praying on the ultimate meaningless pollitcal obstructionism   ?

    1. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      WTH are you talking about?

      1. dianetrotter profile image70
        dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        I know!  Right!

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    ahorsebackposted 9 months ago

    No matter how hard you try to invent evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians and the elections  in your " Hilary guilt ",  invent , is still the  key word ,  in the mean time Mueller's disintegrating ,FBI  investigative team is the only thing  being positively produced .  Do you really STILL believe all  the media crap ,.................... Was I supposed to call the media that?

    1. dianetrotter profile image70
      dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      ahorse, it is better to address specifics of what is going on in order to address the question.
      1.  Did Flynn plead guilty to lying?
      2.  Did Flynn not say that he was acting under instructions from the PTT (presidential transition team)
      3.  Did Jr, Manafort & Kushner meet with Russians?
      4.  Did Jr. have contact with wikileaks, during the campaign, about stolen DNC emails?
      5.  Did Trump, Flynn, Kellyanne, Jr, and Spicer not say that contact with Russians was fake news?

      Our different analyses about what happened are our own opinions.  Did the above things happen??

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      svaz85635posted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, it''s Nichego, Tovarisch. Except for Flynn and Papadopoulos, Manafort and Gates ... so far ...

      1. dianetrotter profile image70
        dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Ethics Counselor for George W Bush

        Richard W. Painter‏
        @RWPUSA
        13m13 minutes ago
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        It's time.
        His criminal defense lawyers need to confiscate the Twitter account.
        His cabinet needs to confiscate the nukes. Amend. 25.

    3. dianetrotter profile image70
      dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      From conservative Bill Kristol:
      Bill Kristol‏Verified account
      @BillKristol
      58m58 minutes ago
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      Trump is happy to attack the Justice Department, the FBI, Comey, ABC, etc. The one thing Trump won’t do is provide a coherent account of his own acts. Trump sure is behaving like someone with a lot to hide, which he hopes to keep hidden by putting the focus on the investigators.

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        ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Embedded establishment opposition from the beginning ! That's all they are .They will impeach for ANY OR NO good reason ,  much like your delusional  Maxine Waters .

        Did you also vote for her ?

        1. dianetrotter profile image70
          dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Nope - didn't vote for maxine waters.

          Kristol - plant?  1) He was once a Democrat, 2) people can't change parties 3) any Republican who speaks out against Trump is not a real Republican?

          He may have been a Democrat at some point...I don't know.  What is the story on him?

        2. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Trump and his crew could have put this investigation to rest months ago if they had been fully honest and transparent, and if they are innocent of any wrongdoing. Instead, they lie, change their stories over time, and stonewall. Why?

          Try your best to answer the direct question without referring to Obama, Clinton, or the media. The facts show changing stories and lying. Why are they wasting everyone's time by doing that? Why?

        3. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          They will impeach "for ANY OR NO good reason"? Why haven't they started then?

      2. dianetrotter profile image70
        dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Richard W. Painter‏
        @RWPUSA
        1h1 hour ago
        More Richard W. Painter Retweeted Donald J. Trump
        Say that to Mueller and it's all over. You are Tweeting your way into impeachment and criminal charges.Richard W. Painter added,
        Donald J. Trump
        Verified account

        @realDonaldTrump
        I never asked Comey to stop investigating Flynn. Just more Fake News covering another Comey lie!
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    ahorsebackposted 9 months ago

    The only people who are ghost- watching for Russian /Trump collusion are surreal obstructionist's on the left , And how has that same left done with their entire play book for more than five years ?

    The entirety of the largest hoax known in American politics IS the left in America.

    -The corruption of the entire DNC
    -The soft shoeing slow dance with once reliable news media
    -The Clinton mafia disaster
    -The  entire corruption of the DOJ, IRS , FBI , CIA
    -The Hamstringing  of the Sanders campaign

    How will the left ever recover ?

    1. dianetrotter profile image70
      dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      So you think
      1) Russian interference is a hoax.
      2) Flynn's attorney did not seek a deal because Flynn had a story to tell
      3) Popadapoulas (sic) did not plead guilty
      4) the meeting between Russians and Trump son, son-in-law and Manafort did not take place June 2016
      5) the meeting is preceded by emails about HRC
      6) Flynn is cooperating with Mueller because he likes him
      7) KT McFarland did not write an email to Flynn about Russia's interference

      Regardless of what is true about the DNC, the investigation with 20+ expert lawyers is not a hoax.  It is happening right now.

      So your answer is:  "No, I don't believe any of it!"

      That's ok.  We will watch the hoax unfold.

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        ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Keep in mind if you can ,   that   meetings between political candidates and other foreign offices is legal and , yes Virginia even Russian offices  .   What your party is trying to do with it is turn a nothing burger  into some kind of a  "UFO abduction"'  of  Darth Vader  proportions.....Those evil Russian monsters and Trump !

        Essentially ,You want a monster story and have to create it for it to come true.

        1. dianetrotter profile image70
          dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          ?  Who is Virginia?  Who is my party  What story did I create?  Are you saying I'm making all of this documented stuff up?

          Judge Napolitano is a Fox commentator

              Judge Napolitano: Mueller Could Potentially Indict Trump After Flynn Plea Deal
          by Justin Baragona | 4:19 pm, December 1st, 2017

          Earlier today, following the blockbuster news that former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn had pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI over his Russian contacts and would be testifying against President Donald Trump, Fox News’ Judge Andrew Napolitano said this was a “nightmare for Donald Trump.”"

          https://www.mediaite.com/tv/judge-napol … plea-deal/


          1.  I'm independent
          2.  I'm not giving my take.  I'm copying and pasting.
          3.  Twitter has ongoing convos by the actual people.
          4.  Regardless of the conversation, you fall right back on "Dems/liberals" which is ok if that is what you want to do.

          None of it has anything to do with the question asked.

        2. colorfulone profile image84
          colorfuloneposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          On record!   Obama State Dept: We have no problem with General Flynn and the incoming administration contacting foreign officials.
          https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status … 7846934528
          https://2009-2017.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dp … 266932.htm

          There is no evidence of Russian / Trump collusion.
          Now, if we want to talk about Hillary / Obama Adm / Uranium One and collusion with the Russians....there is plenty to talk about.

        3. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          "Try your best to answer the direct question without referring to Obama, Clinton, or the media. The facts show changing stories and lying. Why are they wasting everyone's time by doing that? Why?"

          I noticed you avoided answering the above question

          1. dianetrotter profile image70
            dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Thank you Pretty!  I always try to stay on topic.  Thank you for doing the same.

            When there are topics where I have a controversial opinion, I might respond a time or two but I never try to take the convo over to sabotage original topic.  That is an attempt to refocus the conversation.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Well, thank you, but it was purely by accident, I think.  I am not always careful about staying on topic myself.  I will try to be better because I do know it is annoying if you're trying to have a specific discussion.  Side threads can be interesting, too, so it's sometimes tough not to go down the rabbit hole.  :-)

              1. dianetrotter profile image70
                dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                On topic is my pet peeves.  I like two-way discussion.  We don't have to agree but respect is a must!

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  I admire the way you conduct yourself in the forums. I have no respect for forum dwellers who consistently share false information, though. I do not give respect to people like that. I know many disagree with that position, but I believe one can "unearn" respect. Some don't respect my methods, either, and that is fine, but I  cannot respect anyone who posts blatantly false information from disreputable websites, over and over again, after being informed of their ignorance.
                  Just cannot do it.

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                    ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    Do you mean the entirely false obstructionist movement of your entire party's ?
                    Listen , I learned how to dodge and deflect from the best in the business , the democratic party I once belonged to , And now you want me to stop ?

                    If I am guilty of not answering an honest inquiry , Trump  obstructionist's are guilty of not actually knowing what honesty inquiries  actually are .

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                  ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  So why exactly isn't the left as excited over Clinton  / Russian collusion as you are over Trumps imagined collusion ?

                  So the Russians HAVE always played the propaganda game with the US.,it's elections , it's media  and it's election posibilities , what has changed ?

                  1. dianetrotter profile image70
                    dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    I didn't vote for her.  I haven't read her book.  When she is on my tv, I change the channel.

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    ahorsebackposted 9 months ago

    It's no wonder with the total bombarding of false truths and made up B.S. news stories that made up almost an entire net page of anti-Trumpism  , If all I saw  for a daily cover was all one side , I too would believe that impeachment was imminent .  Almost every story on Msnbc today was anti- Trump.

    I always followed this consuming  style in following politics ," To know thine enemy well "  but rather than  give "hits " to the comedy of places like Msnbc anymore  I will never click on them again.  What a  actual shyyte load of trash.

    1. dianetrotter profile image70
      dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      So you think Trump should fire Mueller?

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        ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        No actually Mueller should be fully allowed these games of charades  , as moronic as our system  is .... it works ,  the media ,yours not mine , should be allowed  it's last dying daily sales pitches ,

        And you and the rest of the trump Derangement sufferers should be allowed to go through your stages of grief at your election loss ,  missing out on that wonderful Coronation .  The real hoax .

        That about size it up ?

        1. dianetrotter profile image70
          dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          fair enough!

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            ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            I really hate to admit this , but occasionally  our justice system works .   Especially when  so many eye's are on Muellers bouncing ball .   Little corruption can survive there except the possibility of media interpretation ; that is what fuels all of the media speculation now.

            Mueller just fired an FBI guy?

            1. dianetrotter profile image70
              dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              I read about this when it first happened.  The take was a  little different but the guy did end up in Human Resources as a clerk.  When teachers are under a cloud, they take them out of the classroom and keep them @ the District Office.

              Mueller didn't want the cloud over his investigation so he took him off the case.  He's not fired ... as of yet.

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                ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                This SHOULD show a lot of people just how mixed up the ideologies are in corrupting systematic justice and in line with that ,the complete DOJ process .

                1. dianetrotter profile image70
                  dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  There should always be a system to monitor integrity and quality of work or product.  In his case it work.  It is similiar to the process being used to investigate corruption and collusion.

                  Restaurants with good food should still be monitored by the health department.

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                    ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    The problem with that is that it isn't being done well at all at the federal levels .   Ask yourself ,  WHY IS THERE so much apparent corruption , bias and ideological divide at the top of these federal government posts ?
                    Why is there so much apparent divide in interpreting what is truth , what is fair and  what are the honest issues , at that level ?

                    To me , The integrity of the Feds  grossly compromised .

            2. colorfulone profile image84
              colorfuloneposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Attorney, Mike Cernovich,  "Mueller failed to disclose exculpatory material about a corrupt federal agent investigating Flynn, the plea deal was obtained via fraud, and Flynn should seek to have it voided."

              Its just getting crazier every day.  We need to laugh more.

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                ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Which all simply means that the anti- corruption , corruption investigation by  special council investigators needs to be investigated  by new and improved  investigators  above and beyond the approach of a special , special investigation guy!...........................er .....right ?

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    ahorsebackposted 9 months ago

    Come on Diane , catch up ?    Seriously ?      Did the right  melt down under O man like these ideologically spoiled  entitlement kids today ?    No.

    1. dianetrotter profile image70
      dianetrotterposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Can you be specific?  I think you have heard my views on how welfare should be done.  Which entitlements are you talking about?  I actually sent my ideas to Paul Ryan when I received a questionnaire in the mail.

      It is important that we be on the same page to discuss it.  I don't want to assume I know what you are talking about.

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    colorfuloneposted 9 months ago

    roll

  12. colorfulone profile image84
    colorfuloneposted 9 months ago

    What!? Reporting on CNN that its critical of the FBI and points out how they took a dive on the Hillary Clinton criminal investigation...if it's obvious to CNN it should be obvious to AG Sessions and he should act.

    FBI agent dismissed from Mueller probe changed Comey's description of Clinton to 'extremely careless'
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/12/04/poli … index.html

 
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