WHAT do you think of Donald Trump's statement that Obama founded ISIS?

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   gmwilliamsposted 8 years ago

   WHAT do you think of Donald Trump's statement that Obama founded ISIS?
   
   

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   dashingscorpioposted 8 years ago

   
   
   It's just another one of daily statements to grab media attention.
   There was no ISIS until after the U.S. invaded Iraq.
   Secondly the reduction of troops was agreed upon by the Bush administration and {was requested by the Iraqi government}.
   Lastly back in June 2014 The Iraqi army had 30,000 soldiers stationed in the city of Mosul and they ran from (800) ISIS fighters!
   They literally took off uniforms/helmets, dropped their guns, and left tanks and assorted other weapons and ran for the hills!
   If a country lacks the will to fight and sacrifice for it's own freedom it emboldens their enemy. A band of the 30,000 should have easily defeated 800 fighters.  Saddam Hussein wouldn't allow that.
   The Iraqi soldiers lack both the will and courage to fight.
   It' s no wonder why many Americans at the time thought we shouldn't be wasting American blood on a country that refuses to defend itself.
   No U.S. president has ever been accused of being the "founder" of a terrorist group until now. Then again no other president has been forced to provide his birth certificate to prove citizenship either.
   Trump is just throwing "red meat" to his followers!

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      gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      SECOND BEST ANSWER!

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      disagree. There have only been a handful of good pres, so saying NO other pres .... is not meaningful. We should require the most rigorous vetting of pres cand.  incl med exam. both Bush pres screwed up, and Obama made it worse. ISIS 1st Terr country

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Brad please don't tell me you honestly believe the president of the United States "founded" ISIS! I stand by my assertion that no other president has ever been accused of founding a terrorist group! It's meaningful when one is now accused of it.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      dashingscorpio
      I believe that ISIL didn't take territory until Obama became pres. The fact is that he did nothing to prevent it. We s/h never gone into Iraq,especially with Afghanistan in progress. Once in Iraq we s/h/n left it. Now we have Syria??

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      fpherj48posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Grace,  Actually, when DT made that statement, I thought immediately he must have meant to say, "Obama CREATED Isis", which follows the fact that they jumped in when we pulled out our troops. So, in that way Obama is complicit.

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   Alternative Primeposted 8 years ago

   As usual, there's really nothing to think about ~ It's just the LATEST "Grand LIE" uttered uncontrollably by "Delusional Donald" which followed his "Violence Inciting" Comment a few days ago which the SECRET Service is NOW Investigating ~ According to just about everyone in the UNIVERSE, he's simply a Mentally Unstable "Danger to SOCIETY" & it's NOW being REFLECTED in the POLLs ~ He's SINKING just about everywhere & DRAGING Republican House / Senate SEATs into the Sewer with him which is no BIG Surprise ~ REPORTs indicate the RNC is now contemplating His Removal & FUNDs Cut-OFF ~ He's SWIFTLY finding out the HARD Cold FACT that "ALL Publicity is NOT Necessarily GOOD Publicity" ~

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   Perhaps the voters above don't have the insight to fully realize the truth of Trumps statement ,    The foreign policies of Obama - Clinton created the Arab Spring , remember ?     Thus Ben Ghazi , thus  taking out  the leaders  of Syria , Libya  , supplying arms to rebels everywhere !  THIS ALL  FROM THE PEACEFUL AND LOVING COUPLE THAT WOULD CLOSE GITMO AND END THE WARS IN THE MID-EAST .AND They were so proud of these Arab Spring beginnings !
   
   How short is the attention span of democratic supporters  ?

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      lisavollrathposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      ISIS was established in Iraq in 2004 by Jordanian Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi, during the Bush administration. It's an off-shoot of Al-Queda, and had nothing to do with Arab Spring.

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      ptosisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      A GNAT

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      ISIL didn't exist untli Obama. FACT
      Bush screwed up with Iraq, so did congress and Hillary. Obama made it worse, and now ISIL is real and a major threat. The US hasn't won a war since 1898. Thanks to Congress, and some presidents.

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      junksellerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Just because they changed their name doesn't mean they didn't exist before then. Your fact is not a fact, even if you do capitalize it.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      junkseller
      You can try to debunk my statement, and ISIS is important because they created a country of their own. Obama did nothing, and does next to nothing now. Waiting for your debunk.

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   ptosisposted 8 years ago

   
   
   After days of alleging repeatedly that President Barack Obama literally founded the Islamic State group, Donald Trump abruptly shifted tone on Friday and insisted his widely debunked claim had been sarcastic.
   
   What a limp lie , second time he said being sarcastic. Standard excuse for him. What a pathetic loser Trump is.
   
   Chronic or excessive humorous sarcasm may indicate the person needs to deny some painful realities. Sarcasm is a simply a way of covering contempt. How many times has a person said something hurtful and then say "I was only joking" afterwards to skirt responsibility of themselves?
   
   And Trump is not even using the word's meaning:  “we understand
   something which is the opposite of what is actually said"
   Because then he is saying  Obama & Hilary did not found ISIS.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      ISIL is the new country, and ISIS is their army. The fact is that it happened under Obama, not Bush. When Obama came into office, the stage was set, so you can't blame Bush for ISIL. Obama also failed in Libya, and Syria, and Iran .....

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      2012 Pentagon report warned Obama was creating ISIS
      Predicted current policies would lead to Islamic state in Syria
      http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/2012-pentago … 7PuSzJK.99

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   tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

   Hillary Clinton has greater blame. She sought to take out dictators who were mostly secular, not caring that the first groups to organize to take them out were religious fundamentalists.
   She took out Quadaffi, Muslim fundamentalist militias are fighting for control.
   She took out Mubarak, whose nation then had election and the first party to organize was the Muslim Brotherhood - which was elected and removed protections for Christians and made birth control impossible to get.
   She tried to arm Muslim militias to fight Assad, who then used our weapons to carve out territory in Iraq and Syria  - ISIS. She also failed to realize Russia would aid Assad, because of their large naval base on the Mediterranean in their nation. Anyone who knew enough to know they had the facility there knew they'd take steps to protect it and the dictator that let them have it there - so Russia provided military aid to Syria, extending the war.
   This makes the Syrian refugee crisis ENTIRELY Hillary Clinton's fault, as is ISIS.

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   peter565posted 8 years ago

   This guy is a total lost case. If I want a rich play boy billion heir to run for President, I rather have Bill Gates. (in my opinion Bill is a play boy, he is a polygamist with 2 wife.) and considering the economy suck, we can use somebody like Bill as president or Secretary of State

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Peter
      Tell me again what country you are a citizen of???

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   wba108@yahoo.composted 8 years ago

   The actions of Obama's foreign policy were largely responsible for the creation of ISIS.
   
   1) By announcing our timetable for withdrawal against the advice of our military leaders for purely political reasons, Obama strengthen the hands of our enemies in Iraq, especially the former core leadership Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard that currently are the key leaders of ISIS.
   
   2)  The premature withdrawal of our troops in Iraq also created a power vacuum that was filled by ISIS.
   
   3) The Iran Nuclear deal was seen as a betrayal of our long term Sunni Allies because it strengthened their enemies, the Iranian Shiites and their allies in the area that ISIS currently occupies. The Sunni allies were key to our ability to occupy Iraq, but now that Obama had betrayed them, they filled the ranks of ISiS.

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      wba108@yahoo.composted 8 years agoin reply to this

      4) The general weakness projected by Obama, in coddling terrorists and dictators, while tying the hands of our troops with politically correct and absurd rules of engagement on the battlefield.

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      Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Wba,right on. http://www.dickmorris.com/darn-right-ob … =dmreports but good luck getting Hillary &BO zombies to believe the truth

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   peoplepower73posted 8 years ago

   ISIS is not a country, but their goal is to become a country. ISIS was created as a result of the fall of Saddam Hussein and the Ba'ath party. Bush was president, not Obama.  That's a fact.
   
   His high ranking officers were sent to a prison called Camp Bucca. The mistake that was made is that they were all imprisoned collectively and could meet and plot what they were going to do when they were released.
   
   One of the prisoners, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, was to become the leader of ISIS. According to the guards, he could be described as a low profile model prisoner, so he was released early. He then joined Al Queda. After both of the Al Queda leaders were killed, he took over a branch of Al Queda. But there was a parting of the ways and he formed ISIS, during the Bush years, not during Obama and Hillary's time in office.
   
   The main reason it is so difficult to take ISIS out is because they are embedded with the civilian population every time they take over a city or village.  That's why we use drones for precise bombing.  They rape and pillage, just like any other conquering force, because they want to spread their gene pool.
   
   The important thing is Baghdadi  is a Sunni who is known as the Caliph. His goal is to change the middle east into a Caliphate led country, just like the Ottoman empire, before WWI.  The dynamics of the mid-east is much more complex than, "we just go in their and bomb them on the first day of my presidency." 
   
   There is a three way civil war going on between the Sunni, Shia, and the Kurds and we are in the middle of it with Iran, who are Shia, Turkey, who are Sunni, Syria who are Shia, and Saudi Arabia who are Sunni, and the Kurds who are a mixture of all three. Then we have Russia that is allied with the dictator of Syria, Bashar al Assad who is a special kind of  Shia who hates his people who are not his kind of Shia. 
   
   We are allied with Saudi Arabia who are Sunni who buy billions of dollars of weapons from us and we are trying to work a deal with Iran who are Shia.  Why is all of this important?  Because none of these people pay allegiance to their borders, but to their religious sects that were formed before WWI during the Ottoman Empire and that is what ISIS is trying to do form a mid-east the way it was before WWI..  ISIL is the name of their long term goal.  The L stands for the Levant  and that is what the coastal regions are called that they want to control.  Remember in all of this that the ISIS Caliph is a  Sunni who hates the Shia and the Kurds. Iraq is a Shia country that was controlled by a minority Sunni named Saddam Hussein. Bush and company took him out which started the whole ball rolling.

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