North Korea threatens Hawaii with missles launching July 4th-ish.

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   ledefensetechposted 15 years ago

   TK, war is hell.  If there is a war South Korea is going to lose cities.  In fact they have plans taking advantage of that.  They expect to use their norther tier cities as rubble filled tank traps to hold the NKA in place and hammer them back across the border.  See "Hazardous Duty" by Col. David Hackworth for details.  So yeah, I've heard a bit of how the South Koreans are planning to defend themselves against the North. 
   
   Nuclear weapons change the calculus of this a bit.  I really think their development is for use against the world at large.

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      tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Remember when I mentioned considerations?

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         ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         You may have the luxury of hiding behind the US military and being a yellow coward, but they're out on the sharp end of the stick out there.  All your consideration isn't going to mean squat if the balloon goes up.  They've done the best they can, they're far more prepared for something like that than we are.  Someone once said something about hanging, oh yes, it concentrates the mind wonderfully.  I'm glad they don't have to depend on you to protect them.

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            tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Pardon me?

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               ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               It's right there in black and white, it's not like you didn't hear me.  Sigh.  It's the reading thing isn't it?

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                  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I guess so. Let me just be perfectly clear: are you calling me personally a coward?

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            tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            What on earth does that even mean?
            
            In any case, I believe I asked you before if you've ever spoken to someone from the South Korean military.

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               ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I don't know if God Himself would be able to explain that to you.  You sit there so sure that you know what to do and how to solve all the world's problems.  You don't.  Nobody does.  You sit here safe and secure, making your pronouncements from on high without knowing what you're talking about.  The people in Korea, Japan and now Hawaii are on the firing line.  When something goes down, they'll be the ones to pay the price. 
               
               Were it you on the firing line, I'm sure you'd show a streak of yellow.  You make all these claims that I'm insensitive and uncaring of those people.  I understand better than you what horrors would be unleashed should North Korea go to war.  It's a good thing for those people that they don't have to depend on you for anything.
               
               
               
               That's what makes you a condescending idiot.  You don't really care about these people, you just want to make everyone think you're better than you really are.  That's it.  That's why I dislike you so much, you're fake.  You're holier than thou.  It all makes sense now.

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                  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  When have I said that?
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  I have family and friends in all those places. Do you?
                  
                  
                  
                  How could you be "sure" of such a thing? Were you just trying for a cheap insult?
                  
                  
                  
                  Did you or did you not casually mention that the people of South Korea could just rebuild if their capital city were destroyed? Does that seem caring and sensitive to you?
                  
                  
                  
                  Maybe you do. How exactly do you?
                  
                  
                  
                  Why would you say that? Based on what?
                  
                  
                  
                  Do you think you could try to avoid the personal attacks?
                  
                  
                  
                  Why do you say that? I suppose you realize you could not possibly know such a thing.
                  
                  
                  
                  Are you a mind reader?

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   goldentoadposted 15 years ago

   I drink beer.

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      Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Good fer u, GT!!!  And it sure has put the weight on ya, too.

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         goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I know, maybe I'll try to go for a jog tomorrow. I just jumped on to see what was still going on, and I see many hours later, the same.

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            Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            OMG...many days later it is still degenerating into the same...
            
            LDT is a conservative, too, though--on the same level & all.  So, Good Match!

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               goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               A match made in heaven. I shall enjoy. Where is Urimidden in all this?

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                  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah.  Now that guy is scary.  I think he's a paranoid schizophrenic, no lie...  Maybe a rapist.
                  
                  TK's just a garden variety _____.  You fill in the blank!

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   ledefensetechposted 15 years ago

   You may not believe it TK, but what you do speaks so loudly, I can't hear what you say.  Not only have you been condescending and rude to people, but others say you treat other people that way as well.  Normally one should take that sort of thing with a grain of salt, but based on your actions, I believe they are telling the truth, not just what they think is the truth.

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      tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      That didn't really address any of my questions above.

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   ledefensetechposted 15 years ago

   Because I'm not interesting in arguing with you.  You've shown me what you really are and I don't need to continue conversing with you.  You have no interest in learning and growing as a person.  You're rude and petty and enjoy tormenting people.  That's not someone I really want to converse with.

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      tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      So you are only interested in insulting me? Is that it?

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      Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Welcome aboard, LDT - I don't bother responding to the troll any more. He has no constructive input to any debate. As Darkside said, "it is of the opinion that nobody else should have an opinion."
      
      Elena has a good Hub about this:
      
      http://hubpages.com/hub/EXPRESSING-OPINIONS
      
      See if you can recognise some of the traits

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         ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Well it's nice to know that I'm becoming more and more a part of the group, but jeez, this is almost as bad as initiation into a frat.    That was a pretty good hub.  I think we all fall into those categories from time to time, what surprises me is that many people I've met here understand that and are willing to talk until we clear up most of our misconceptions.  Mustn't let a few rotten apples spoil the barrel.  Thanks for the welcome. 

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   Sufidreamerposted 15 years ago

   lol - no group, I speak only for myself, but the welcome is no less
   
   Sure - that is the nature of debate - to disagree is fine, but to seek to destroy arguments without offering alternatives is weak. It is futile to debate with such people.
   
   Not quite sure what initiation into a frat is, although I guess that it is something to do with the Kappa Kappa Delta stuff from the comedy movies.

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   ledefensetechposted 15 years ago

   Yeah something like that.  It's a bit verboten here.  About a decade ago there were several deaths due to extreme initiation, so officially fraternities banned them, unofficially, they still go on, I think.

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   Leta Sposted 15 years ago

   He isn't even trying to 'destroy' arguments because he feels his viewpoints are stronger.  I respect someone like that...that's about the issues.  He is out to be as nasty as possible, fight and influence in an affective way whoever 'takes' the bait.  That is the definition of a stalker.
   
   I have had no issue to speak of with any other person on Hubpages.  They won't ban him--I don't know why.  Others were banned for much less than this.
   
   Wow, Sufi.  No fraternities....  And all those Greek letters, .

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      Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I thought that is what they were, but I did not want to make assumptions based on college comedy movies
      
      I think that some of the 'posh' universities in the UK do this, but it is not as common. I have no interest in playing the Alpha Male dominance/subservience game

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         Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Well, to be honest, most women I knew in college (speaking of Alpha males--um, yeah, whatever) thought they were silly.  Just drunken obnoxious parts of the wall paper, bleh...not that interesting.
         
         Don't get me started on sorority girls driving Daddy's expensive cars! omg....

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            Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Never met many sorority girls, so could not possibly comment. I never really did drunk and obnoxious - more drunk and fall asleep with a contented grin

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               Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I worked in a bar as a cocktail waitress, you know - so I did my drinking and had my first taste of Ouzo, before I was legal and after we shut down for the night at parties...  It was enough!...and fun.

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                  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Mind you, isn't your legal drinking age 42 or something like that - we had a lot of US students, and they could not believe that they could legally drink
                  
                  Glad that you have tried Ouzo - true nectar, although my poison was beer when I was younger. Never worked as a bartender or waitress, only a bouncer, throwing drunken Irish farmers out of the village pub

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                     Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     It's 21...I think!  If I can remember, .  hehe, trust me, sneaky Sufi, if I follow, lol, I can, and what you see here is what is reality, at least the state-issued variety...good genes are great!
                     
                     Why, what age in Europe?  I tried all kinds of things. Primarily only drink wine now.  Best for health, .

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                        Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Wasn't going down that route - I am not that brave! I seem to remember you mentioning your age, and you are both younger and better looking than me, so no contest! It was more a dig at the 21 thing - that is way too high!
                        
                        In the UK it is 18, continental Europe much lower. I am not actually sure what it is in Greece - most of the tavernas do not serve alcohol to under-17's, but there is no problem with children having wine with a meal.

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                           Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           You Brits are so nice and polite.  Kinda missing in Amerika! I would never be 'tough' to you, Sufi...anyone can tell you're a nice guy.  And there is a story behind this.  Not going into it (maybe some other time,)...Nobody thinks I'm under 30 anymore, but early 30's all the time.
                           
                           Yes, my bf's sons, whose mother is German, said when they go back to Germany, they can drink....German's love their Oktoberfest.  So different from here.

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   tksenseiposted 15 years ago

   So, will the USS John McCain intercept the Kang Nam? And if so, what next?

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   tksenseiposted 15 years ago

   Some folks in Hawaii are a little nervous about all this, but no big panic or anything of that sort.

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    tksenseiposted 15 years ago

    So, anything about the topic of the thread?

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       goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       never had any fun during those years I assume.

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          tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          You're not old enough to hear about it. (!)
          
          
          Nonetheless, I've started another thread for that topic so this thread can still have a chance at life.

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    tksenseiposted 15 years ago

    So, who thinks that NK will really shoot something in the direction of Hawaii on the 4th?

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       Christenstockposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I believe the media has blown this situation totally out of proportion! Its ridiculous how they've made it appear similar to another 13 days! Issues such as these wouldn't be covered in the media if they were likely to occur.
       
       If they did shoot, we have multiple agencies, contracters, defense departments, all pointing in the same direction, thus covering every spectrum of in flight projectories to intercept "the thing."

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          tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Why do you say that? Not sure this news could NOT be covered in the West.

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             Christenstockposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Such an action would inevitably lead to war. If history taught us something, a full scale attack/threat (especially a missile launch) is not something you want to share with the public. If this country has the resources to deploy a missle to HI (as they presume they do), I'm sure they would have the intelligence to keep their secrets, a secret, regardless of all the intel sharing.

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             Christenstockposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Such an action would inevitably lead to war. If history taught us something, a full scale attack/threat (especially a missile launch) is not something you want to share with the public. If this country has the resources to deploy a missle to HI (as they presume they do), I'm sure they would have the intelligence to keep their secrets, a secret, regardless of all the intel sharing.

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    Sufidreamerposted 15 years ago

    Not often I get called polite! A bit too rough and ready for that, but thanks You are a nice lady, too - that is why folk jumped to your defence when the malaka started stalking you.
    
    It is a dream to go to the Oktoberfest - not going to happen this year, but maybe next.

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    flread45posted 15 years ago

    back in the 60s I was extended because of threats fron North Korea,and it's still going on.seems no one cares until sh=t happens.

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    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    North Koreans are starving and kim is a lunatic. He will keep blackmailing the west till he gets nuked. I feel for the people, they are kept ignorant and controlled.

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       VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       For the Korean people, Kim has some videos showing soldiers marching past in their own streets. They are aroused by seeing these and think the soldiers can walk in other lands also like this. They dont understand that not even 1% of American soldiers are required to capture Korea. It is better that govt. looks after the welfare of their people and spend the excess money on their education, health and increased public amenities.

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    VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 15 years ago

    North Korea must think before they talk... They should know what happened when Hawai was attacked by Japan in 1942. They cant rise up even after six decades. Korea should not play pawn to China or Russia... they should ask their mentors to do the mischief first. A small country cant sustain the effects of a great war. It is certain to be wiped out.

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