How do you think terrorism against usa can be stopped?

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   accofrancoposted 14 years ago

   I have an opinion...to share, let's hear from you?

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      guidebabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You cannot clap with one single hand. Two hands are needed. There is no flame without fire. Terrorism against USA has reasons behind it. Terrorists could have chosen other countries. Why USA? Certainly there is reason. Most Americans are Arrogant. They developed because of "Brain-drain". They imported intelligent people from around the world and developed. There arrogance is the reason behind the terrorism against them. These are my personal thoughts and opinion. Others may have their own opinion.

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         nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Puleazzeee. Terrorists want to kill us because we're arrogant? There's a global standard for arrogance and somehow I've been measured and found wanting? Can I go somewhere and get un-arrogant?
         
         Give me a break. I know lots of arrogant people and I'm not plotting to kill them.
         
         What a weak premise.
         
         America elected Barack Hussein Obama as president; we are no longer arrogant, I trust. Or perhaps terrorists now target only those eligible voters who voted against him?

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         tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         What a ridiculous, illogical comment.

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         Shil1978posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I couldn't disagree with you more. Terrorists haven't only chosen USA - there are other countries too affected by terrorism.

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      Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I know how it won't be stopped... with arrogance and bombs.  We are really a kind, loving group of people who want what everyone wants.  We have some quirky traits, but like everyone we are still growing and evolving.  I think creating a good rapport with the rest of the world will help.

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         meetbrandonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I agree with you, Davina.

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      brohhmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I know the answer.....it simple.......buy or sell......
      
      here are the GMAT statements:
      
      a) sell america to outer world in the space
      b) sell terrorist to outer world in the space
      c) buy a new america

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      Writer Riderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      By solving the world's fundamental problems, yes.

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      andromidaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If there is true democracy and no violation of human rights all over the world.There cannot be any terrorism.Religious tolerance is also an important factor.

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   tksenseiposted 14 years ago

   Hmmm, tough question. To really know, we'd have to have an example - something long term. Perhaps if there was a terrible terrorist attack and then after that a long period where further attacks were prevented through a series of policies and approaches. THEN we could see what works or doesn't work.

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   Nothing tough about it TK. Stop bullying the World, and countries and people will flock to you. There is still a lot of love to US around the globe. The hard part is how to do this, with your current bullying mentality and infrastructure in place. However, as I told you already, the coming depression is likely to put an end on it, just by a mere lack of resources

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      Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      lol...I'm sorry, but that was just a poem.

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      tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, weakness and isolation - that's the way! If history has proven anything it's that countries that are weak and inward looking are never bothered by anyone. I have no doubt they would flock. What worries me is what the flock they would be flocking up to.

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      Reena Daruwallaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      There is a lot in what you say, by some coincidence I did a post just about what it is that motivates terrorists to do what they do: http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Psychology-of-a-Terrorist

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      Ultimate Hubberposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      A perfect answer Misha. Some people are not getting your point here but they will get it soon.

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      Writer Riderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Personally, I believe we're already in a depression and were for quite some time (since last year). However I agree with your point concerning bullying.

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   Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

   I think education would greatly help and let the people choose what they want allo Misha

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   I did not say a word about weakness or isolation. This is you who equated an absence of bullying to weakness and isolation - exactly the mentality I said would be an obstacle
   
   Hi there Dame, how are you?
   
   Why, thanks Lita, I can't find any rhyme or rhythm as hard as I try

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      ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm isolationist to the core.  The only reason we didn't suffer during the 20th century was because we waited.  If the rest of the world wants to go to war, let them.  It's not our job to stop them.
      
      Sweetie, those guys were misguided "Patriots".  They chose to kill innocents in their quest to take on some shadowy government.  We'll always have those people with us.  The late 1800's were notorious for bombings and attacks of terror.  After Lincoln it was open season on Presidents.
      
      WTucker, we can be safe and not meddle in the world.  It's that meddling that has caused us to be a target.  It's not our job to tell others how to live.  That was the Roman's job and they mucked it up 2000 years ago.  We do no better than they.

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         SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I am a history major and know this.  However, their act was still an act of terrorism.  Please no lectures lol.  My well thought out points do not need lecturing.  Sorry you misinterpret my posts and cannot decipher what people are talking about.

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         WTuckerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Again i will have to disagree.  It is an integral part of extremist islam to jihad.  I do not beleive in meddling.  I dont care what a country does or doesnt do on a politcal level, but premptive strikes on future threats is a legitimate tactic and not meddling. It is false to beleive we will not be attacked if do not attack them, in there minds we attack them simply by living our lives the way we do.  What provoked the first trade center bombings?

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   Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

   I'm doin alright, thanks Misha n your words are full of rhyme and rhythm they are full of that awesome personality of yours

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   Awww, thanks girls, you are spoiling me

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   Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

   You get what you dish out, Misha hehe

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   Aww, Dame, you are soooo nice to me. I can be nasty too, and i bet you seen this on these forums

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    I don't go into many forums so I can't say I seen your nasty side but I do admire the side I do see n nobody's perfect even I can get nasty lol

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       That is hard to believe Dame Scribe.

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          Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          +1

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    Hi Earnestshub my sons even at me when I get mad but really, I can lol

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    Pete Maidaposted 14 years ago

    I certinaly hope so.  We still have a lot of work to do in prevention, detection, and also in getting to the root cause.

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    uzodinmaposted 14 years ago

    Bullying is not the only issue:terrorists violate Islamic tenets such as the prohibition of the sales of cocaine,murder of innocent civilians and Muslims etc.The US should should stop calling terrorists "jihadists","Mujahidin" (defenders of Islam)while claiming not to be at war with Islam!Education on both sides of the divide is the real solution to the problem of terrorism

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Very sensible position to take, there has to be a willingness to talk on all sides.

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    usmanali81posted 14 years ago

    by eradicating Freemasonry

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Just who would you eradicate Usmanali? The freemasons are what to you? I see all the links you have provided, but not one verifiable fact about how the Freemasons are destroying the world, just a lot of conspiracy theorists as usual. Like most fundamentalists you have all your eggs in one basket. The truth is that mankind as a whole is responsible for the condition of the world, and we are all in need of some sanity. Nothing sane comes from casting all the world's ills on one particular group.

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          usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Follow these links for ACTUAL FACTS about FREEMASONS
          
          
          EPISODE I - http://hubpages.com/hub/FREEMASONS-IN-A-NUTSHELL
          
          EPISODE II - http://hubpages.com/hub/FREEMASONS-IN-A-NUTSHELL-II
          
          EPISODE III - http://hubpages.com/hub/FREEMASONS-IN-A-NUTSHELL-III
          
          EPISODE IV - http://hubpages.com/hub/FREEMASONS-IN-A-NUTSHELL-IV

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       viryaboposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No. How about beheading extreemists once and for all? USA takes too much BS in my opinion. Deport them if beheading is too drastic for your country.

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          How about the Bible and Quoran be understood as stories without ramming old scripture down everyones neck? As LondonGirl stated, nowhere in the quoran does it mention the laws spoken of by extremists regarding how people should dress today.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Your hub shows just what happens when someone is neurotic and fixed in their point of view.
    There is no proof at all, just conjecture based on almost nothing more than what someone told you, and how you perceive Madonna. You conclude that a female is a freemason?
    No proof of anything, just a rambling bunch of unsupported opinion.

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       usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You are such a big stupid i have ever encountered in my life. Did you pass your high school???
       
       I have mentioned the quotes of Master Masons in my articles. And if you have any doubt in Madonna or any other to be a Freemason then visit their Masonic Lodge and ask for the details. Regarding Madonna, she herself claim to be practicing KABBALIST and Kabbalah is learned, preached and practiced by Freemasons.

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    nobama is betterposted 14 years ago

    Terrorize the terrorists and those who harbor them: with total annihilation.

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    meetbrandonposted 14 years ago

    I think if we really want to stop terrorism, we have to first complete the recommendations in the 9/11 Commission Report, followed by continuing the War on Terror to disrupt terrorist training camps and freeze their assets.  Whereas the Iraq War was a failure, the War on Terror has been a success with no terrorist attacks in the U.S. since.
    
    Sure, some of their suggestions seemed silly, like not allowing or limiting liquids, nail files and other objects on a plane, or color-coding our terror alert system, but all these measures have prevented another U.S.-based terrorist attack for over seven years now.

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       usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Eradicate Freemasonry and there will be no Terrorism.

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Oh yeh? What are you going to do about all the bone ignorant fundamentalists of religion who are terrorists almost from birth.

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             Shil1978posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             They are bred to be terrorists in the madrassas. Doubt that will stop happening no matter what the US does!!! It isn't as if all these madrassas or religious schools are under the control of one single organization!!!

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                earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Then you have the American Loony religious fanatics, the Jewish extrmists, and the list goes on. Education.... education!

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                   Shil1978posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Right on - education is the key. It shapes minds! The Taliban are a result of that warped education!!

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                   meetbrandonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I agree with Earnest.  First off, from experience as a journalist in Houston for a newspaper, I covered the plight of the Islamic community after 9/11.  These people get an unfair wrap because of a few bad seeds.
                   
                   Madrassas aren't teaching terrorism.  I am sure there are SOME that do, but for the most part, they don't.  What people fail to understand is that Islam is a religion of peace and it was the perversion of some of its members that have caused it to be cast in this negative, terrorism-building light.  Just as some Christians have perverted my faith by saying the Bible gives them the right to beat gays and lesbians to death, these folks have had to endure the same thing.
                   
                   Terrorism training camps, however, have been thwarted under Bush Administration policies.  How long this will go on for, under Obama, who knows.
                   
                   Earnest said it best: education.  That is how you help eradicate terrorism.

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             usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Those are not fundamentalists rather MERCENARIES who Freemasons buy to build unrest in a territory. Freemasons always work behind the curtains that's why it's a secret society other wise it would be regarded as open society.

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                earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                The kids that become bombs no nothing except the hate they have been fed from birth. Hate of America, hate of anything except their outrageous religious interpretation of a flat earth.

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                   usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   For your kind information, earth is egg shaped according to Qur'an
                   
                   The Holy Qur'an says in Surah Naziat, Ch. No. 79, Verse No. 30…. It says. ‘And thereafter, We have made the earth egg-shaped’.
                   
                   The Arabic word ‘Dahaha’ comes from root word ‘Duhya’, meaning an Egg-shape and it does not refer to any normal Egg. It specifically refers to the Egg of an Ostrich - and today we know that the world is not completely round like a ball- It is Geo Spherical. It is slightly flattened from the top and bulging from the centre - It is Geo Spherical. And if you analyze the shape of the Egg of an Ostrich - it too is Geo Spherical, slightly flattened from the top and bulging from the centre. So the Holy Qur'an describes the exact ‘geo spherical earth’ 1400 years ago.

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    Shil1978posted 14 years ago

    Terrorism against the USA cannot be stopped, unfortunately, because the perceived injustices will always remain - in varying degrees.
    
    So, if the US were to withdraw all its forces from muslim countries and do things that would appease the muslims, it still won't be enough to negate the perception of the USA as being the "satan, devil" what have you!!
    
    There is an ideological/cultural/religious aspect to it as well. So, solving political issues won't necessarily gurantee safety from terrorist attacks.

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    nicompposted 14 years ago

    There's no freemasonry in my city. If you want a wall built or some nice cobblestone sidewalks or even a poured foundation, it's gonna cost you big.

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    tjmatel3posted 14 years ago

    Here's a simple and potent approach to terrorism - all people, of all political persuasions should acknowledge that there people out there who want to kill everyone of us in here and then band together to find solutions.   Unless that happens, terrorism will always find its way into American cities and lives.  A house divided cannot stand.

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    Superman05posted 14 years ago

    It depends on how terrorism is defined.

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       Shil1978posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Well - how would you define it?

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          Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I agree.
          Americans tend to define a terriost as Muslim.
          Or link it all to the Taliban.
          The rest of the world tend to be more lateral-thinking (going by the way media in other countries present news).

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       usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, agreed. For a thief a policeman is a terrorist.

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    I think some of the more redundant posters might be automated because all they seem to talk about is free masonry.  I think it is time to get a hobby, and if you are obsessed with free masonry I think drawing would be a better activity for you mr us.

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       usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       If i am against Freemasonry then i have a reason for that, explained in forums as well as in my hubs. If you get irritated, it's not my problem because i am not just laying allegations rather i am conveying my message with decency and supporting proof. If you have any sympathy for Freemasons then you can also support your speech against me.

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          SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I am not irritated because I am not a free mason.  My great-uncle was a freemason, and not a scary person.  Freemasons are not bent on taking over the world you know.

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             usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Dear,
             
             Do you know the meaning of SECRET ???
             Do you know what is KABBALAH ???
             Do you know what is MAJIC ???

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                earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I would think most people here know this and a lot more as well, and you should stop talking to people like you are educating mice!

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    It seems like in the last ten years or so many people have "found God" and must preach it.  I remember my aunts and uncles never seemed obsessed about religion, but then a few years back they started sending out newsletters about how they were repairing homes in Central America.  No offense, but they have multimillion dollars houses and I think they could have done more good locally if they had cut down their living expenses.  Those newsletters were very annoying by the way.

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       Shil1978posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Agree - wonder why that happened though?

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       meetbrandonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       SweetiePie, people are finding God because God offers hope.  I understand you've been burned in the past over religion with the Jehovah's Witnesses, but Christianity isn't about religion but finding a relationship with Jesus Christ.
       
       Whereas it is true, I am sure your aunts and uncles could have invested their money locally and helped out at home, the Great Commission does say "every tribe, every tongue and every nation."  Central American nations, because of their socio-economic climate, might likely be able to use their resources better than some Americans can.

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          SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          First off I have not been burned by religion, so do not assume.  I am a Christian, but just not a preachy one like many.  I believe people can do more good at home than going to foreign countries, especially while they maintain multimillion dollar houses.  I think things through more than some people is all.

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             meetbrandonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             SweetiePie, I am sorry for assuming.  I guess I just perceived your change from JW to non-denominational Christian was because you found some things that conflicted with who you are.
             
             What is wrong with being "preachy" as long as you aren't judgmental and condemning everyone? Does the Bible not give us the clear mission to spread the Gospel and to get in the way of those who are going down the wrong path?
             
             Also, I agree with you that people should be giving at home, too, but I somehow think the real reason you criticize your uncle and aunt's giving is because they have wealth.  You've mentioned "multimillion dollar houses" twice now.  Just saying.

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    Religion seems to have taken on a political orientation for some, whereas in the past people kept the two spheres more separate.

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       janni321posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I don't agree with you at this point because most of the big wars in past were fought on the basis of religion.

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          SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          As a history major I do not need you to tell me this.  What I meant is some of the more conservative parties here in the US, such as the Republicans, base more and more of their policies on religion.  I am talking more about modern politics.  No lectures please.

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             janni321posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             yes, no lecture please

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             usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Yes, these parties are based on religion, the special one, FREEMASONRY.

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          usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          BUT WWI and WWII were not religious rather against religions like Islam and Christianity. Further The French and Italian revolutions were also against Christianity in which christians suffered.
          
          The CRUSADERS was the religous based war against Muslism.

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             SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Yes World War I and World War II were about countries wanting more territory and power.  The same with the Spanish-American War, The American Revolution, The Seven Years War, and many other conflicts in the last three hundred years.

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    WTuckerposted 14 years ago

    I know you are wanting a more complicated answer but to be frank we need to take it serious and understand the true causes from of the most frequent kind of attacks.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    I believe that some of the worst attacks are by children who have been forced in to the roll of suicide bomber for their religious beliefs caused by constant indoctrination and these extremist religious sects have got to be pulled in to line by forcing a different interpretation of their books and therefore religious actions.The only people in a strong position to teach this are the clergy themselves.Islam and Christianity are the roots of these extremist views, so these churches should get rid of their filth.

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    accofrancoposted 14 years ago

    I will air my view soonest,keep suggesting?

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    tksenseiposted 14 years ago

    Is all this 'freemason' nonsense some kind of running gag or something? Or is this like that guy who made every single thread about how he hates gays, or that other guy who is just terrified of religion and posts on EVERY SINGLE THREAD RELATING TO RELIGION to tell everyone (again and again and again) how stupid he thinks it is?
    
    
    
    Don't these one-note wonders get tired of repeating the same single block-headed obsession?

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    I would not malign Obama as he is doing a better job than Bush with foreign policy.

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       meetbrandonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       But, have the Iraqis not gained free elections?  Have they not been rid of a dictator who gassed his own people, had women raped?  Whereas we may have gone to Iraq on faulty intelligence, the outcome is much better than the human rights nightmare that existed in that country under the Hussein regime.

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          SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You know Hussein was a dictator, but women actually had more freedom and peace in general before he was overthrown.  I do not support Hussein, but violent acts against women and militant Islam came more into play after the invasion.  Some women who never wore the veil before were attacked soon after the invasion because the fundamentalists were given more free reign.  Under Hussein government was secular and Christians actually had thriving churches.

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       rastrotherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       yeah by joining forces with the enemy, yeah that will work, not. trying to get on russia's good side will do us no good, they arent going to help us when south korea decides to bomb hawaii.

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          Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          LOL I personally will come and shoot you then

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          usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          South or North Korea ???

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    Mac Missionposted 14 years ago

    no end untill people realize there mistakes

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    meetbrandon,
    
    You also have mentioned several words twice, and I am beginning to notice you make assumptions about people to paint them in a less than stellar light, compared to what you think is good anyway.
    
    Also, preachy can rub many people the wrong way, especially those who are not Christians.  We live in a big world you know and it is not just about one group.
    
    I am very intelligent and do not need a man making assumptions about me.  Go assume about someone else, but do not think people are going to embrace you for it.

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       meetbrandonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Well I am sorry you feel that way.  I am not trying to paint you anyway; you are the one who gets to choose how you are portrayed.  I also know how intelligent you are! I've read your hubs and must compliment the depth of research, thought and work you put into them.
       
       Finally, I don't need anyone to embrace me; only God alone can judge me.
       
       Accept my apology for rubbing you raw.

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    So ridiculous!  Once again I am not raw, but you are making the assumption so.  When people say I am sorry you feel that way, it is usually a ploy to make the recipient feel that they took something the wrong way.  I am glad you can see I know my subject matter, and it really does not matter if you do or do not see this.  What people do not appreciate is when you say things such as so and so is burned by religion.  Go say that to a few of the atheists and other non-religious people on the forum and they would have a field day with you.  I am probably actually more forgiving than some would be.

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       meetbrandonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I was being sincere.  But, I think what's best is for me to excuse myself from the conversation.  I hope you have a great week, SweetiePie.  God Bless.

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    Okay good to hear you are being sincere.  Whenever I feel someone has crossed the line I will point this out, and I do not think it was bold of me to do so.  You are free to discuss the subject thread with other people here though.

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    I have to wonder why mr. us is so obsessed with the freemasons.  Maybe he secretly wants to be one and they did not let him join .

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       usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Nooo wayyy

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          SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I was just kidding with you, I know you do not like them.

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             usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I like EX Freemasons who get rid of it.

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                SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                They probably have a dating site for you then.

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                   usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Nop ...

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                      my-success-guruposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Do you really think it can be stopped?

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                         usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         What, Dating or Freemasonry ???

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                Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Who are the Freemasons
                
                How do you know this? what facts to do you have to support this alegation?
                
                And if you beleive this to be so ,what have you done to change this,if anything-tangible action?

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                   usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   The answers are in the following
                   http://hubpages.com/hub/FREEMASONS-IN-A-NUTSHELL

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                      WTuckerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      the above hub is the most inconclusive ill concieved ill informed peice of text i have read in a long time.

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                         usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         read it's next episodes
                         
                         http://hubpages.com/hub/FREEMASONS-IN-A-NUTSHELL-II
                         
                         http://hubpages.com/hub/FREEMASONS-IN-A-NUTSHELL-III
                         
                         http://hubpages.com/hub/FREEMASONS-IN-A-NUTSHELL-IV

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    WTuckerposted 14 years ago

    When talking about christainity starting wars you have to realize that christianity was the excuse and not the cause.  Radical islam attacks for no other reason than to destroy what they do not agree with.  We must take radical Islam serious.  We must not let political correctness cost us our saftey.

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       PurePakistaniposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Crusade war Christian religion war. Islam mean peace. US no attack Iraq no attack by Islam country. US only money go Iraq. 911 did by Bush to attack Islam country. Stop attack Islam country first.

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Islam and Christianity only mean peace to moderates, not extremists.

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          WTuckerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          im going to bite my tounge on this one.

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       Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Fear is a bad adviser really. And no, I don't see any material difference between the Christian wars of yesterday and Islam wars of today. Methods are slightly different, but still it is the same old story of rules fighting for more property and masses fighting aliens cause they are scared of them...

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          WTuckerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          The cheif difference is the time period itself.  Tourture was acceptable in those days and im talking about real tourture not pouring water over someones face while they have a hood on.  Freedom of religion was not seen as a human right.  Also if you are talking of the crusades, they were started by the pope of the time to keep europeans from fighting each other.  And also they were military campaigns to conquer a land not to punish or convert another faith.

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             Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Umm, ok, lemme just stop here and walk away in disagreement. Our positions are very far away, and since I am not too passionate on the subject right now, I don't want to spend a whole lot of time arguing over them

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    Let us not forget there have been some American terrorists that were not Muslims: Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh.  Also, some extremist Christian groups have said some horrible things along the lines of this way of thinking.  The book Escape is the story of a woman who left the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints, and she shares in her book about after 9/11 this group thought America deserved the attack because most people were not holy like them.  Most Muslims and Christians condemn terrorism, and both groups have had extremists.  I think it is a poor move to generalize and say only one group in the world has terrorists.

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       WTuckerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       there are extremists no matter what you are talking about.  There are extremist atheists as well.  The key difference is that christianity does not lend itself well to this kind of extremeism, islam does.  The terrorsits you speak of are singular in nature or of small cults not a large social movement that is at the core of most of the religion.

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          SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Terrorism is terrorism, and you cannot dismiss this and say oh "they are singular in nature".  Terrorism in Islam is carried out by extremists, but I can tell you are lacking any true knowledge of Islam.  Have you ever been to a mosque and talked to real live Muslims to find out what they really believe?

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             Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Yes I have SP, I talked to 4 different Muslims ,really gentle and hospitable people.
             I was there with my son , was part of some assignment he had .
             TO spend up to one hour with 5 different Religions (sermons not counted ,but socialising and interacting...we ended up being there for almost 3hrs!!!...( he had six months to complete some paper)

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             Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Yes I have SP, I talked to 4 different Muslims ,really gentle and hospitable people.
             I was there with my son , was part of some assignment he had .
             TO spend up to one hour with 5 different Religions (sermons not counted ,but socialising and interacting...we ended up being there for almost 3hrs!!!...( he had six months to complete some paper)

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       usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Oh My Dear Sweetie,
       
       You are so right ...

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    Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

    Christians killed in the name of their God(s)
    
    Non-believers killed in the name of their leaders( Kings,Queens)
    
    No use argueing that point really,thats history.
    
    We are a race that sees killing as part of our culture.
    
    Just a thought.

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    Some of the nicest people I have met are Muslims, and I suppose I am just tired of people making the entire religion out to be warmongering.  Surprisingly many Muslims moved to America so they start businesses and live peaceful lives, but some people never want to see this.  Right after Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols committed their terrorist act some people started making harassing calls many mosques in the US, which just shows the degree of prejudice really.  I think things are getting better though in certain parts of the country, especially out here in California where we have a diverse population.

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       Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Thats is wondeful to hear.
       I actually feel sad that some people judge a culture so quickly, so much stereotyping.
       I remember in New Zealand all those miles away (so it was media driven) when trouble erupted somewhere in tween Israel n Iran ,suddenly the citys one and only Mosque was vandalised!!
       
       And yes same reason ,the families came all those miles away to adjust to a western culture(which was strange enough) to feel vengenance & hositilty again? from a bunch of idiots who no doubt would know absolutely nothing about either country.
       Incredible!

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    I thought some people might be interested reading about some of the harassing calls that have been directed towards mosques.  If people were to call a church saying these things you know it would be a headline story on the news:
    
    http://www.themodernreligion.com/assaul … eport.html
    http://www.co.snohomish.wa.us/Documents … Mosque.pdf

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    tksenseiposted 14 years ago

    Churches are harrassed all the time, often during services. There are a lot of scumbags out there and they fall on all possible angles of the political/religious spectrum.

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    The point being churches have not received a large number of harassing calls after terror attacks or other national tragedies.  Of course I leave it to you to downplay this because that is your job.

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       tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hm, you don't think you are doing some 'downplaying' yourself?

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          SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          No I am not TK.

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             usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             TERMINALLY KRACKED

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                SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                What do you mean?  I was referring to the other poster.

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                   usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I was just checking, did you mean TERMINALLY KRACKED by TK

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                      SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      I was telling tksensei I am not downplaying real events that took place.

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             tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             You're not downplaying how specifically linked to religion (by those commiting certain acts of terrorism) the phenomena of terrorism in recent years as exemplified by the attacks in Africa, Indonesia, Spain, UK, and of course NY has been? I find it hard to believe you would try to step around that uncomfortable fact.

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                SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                No I am not stepping around the fact that Muslim extremists have committed the majority of terrorists acts in recent years.  Where do you get these weird ideas?  What I was pointing out is people assume mosques are responsible and make rude calls to these places of worship. 
                
                Also, two posters have tried to argue there are no Christian terrorists groups, which is simply not true.  They have also tried to point out McVeigh and Nichols were not terrorists, whereas most people realize they were.

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                   tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Of course they were.

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                      SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Well I am glad you can acknowledge that, but earlier today someone referred to them as misguided patriots.

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                         tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         You should have a word with whoever that was.

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                            SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            I already told him terrorism is terrorism.  He did not reply after that.

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    WTuckerposted 14 years ago

    Misha Im just trying to state to be historical differences between the two movements and there are some fairly big ones.  I am not saying i condone what the christain faith has done but rather trying to put some perspective on he subject.  The nobles in europe were having land fueds left and right so the pope of the time started the crusades.  If im wrong in my history carrect my please.  Im not heated either Misha so please dont take me the wrong way.
    
    Sweetie pie, your point is valid to an extent.  It is true that a christian who commits acts of violence is just as bad as a muslim but when talking about terrorism as a whole you can not ignore the fact that Islamic radicals are the far greater threat.  If you have a bee problem you take out the hive and then start swatting individuals, and thats what christian extremists have been so far, individuals.
    
    As for people making the entire religion out as war mongers.  I hope its not directed at me because i beleive i called them radicals which are oppisite from the main stream religion.  No i have not spent time in a mosque and would not see any problem doing so.  I have read a fair amount of excerpts from the koran and have read enough to know that it (like the bible) can be misinterpreted fairly easy by zealots.  It is my observation that more muslims tend to be violent radicals than christians.

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    onthewritesideposted 14 years ago

    Looks like this thread turned into a religious debate too!

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    SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

    This entire thread basically has been for the last several days .

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    WTuckerposted 14 years ago

    Foreign affairs are looked at as a popularity contest by many liberals.  That seems to be the cheif complaint against Bushs foreign policy, that he made people mad at us. If we declare war we do just that declare war, if the rest of the world doesnt like it that should be none of their concern.  Whos really "meddling"

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    Shil1978posted 14 years ago

    Can terrorism directed against the US be stopped if the US were to withdraw all troops from Muslim countries? Would it stop if the US were to voluntarily stop any attacks against any Muslim country, no matter what the threat (real or perceived)?

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    sandra rinckposted 14 years ago

    Here I got an answer... every country can mind their own business take care of their own people and when your own are taken care of together they can tend to other countries who are "requesting" help not being forced to take help.

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    mirandalloydposted 14 years ago

    1. Stop only helping countries as long as they have natural resources to grab
    
    2. Stop bullying and strong-arming countries that don't want to share their natural resources
    
    3. Stop denying that what the U.S. is doing is imperialism
    
    4. Supply clean water and health services to third-world countries
    
    5. Actually help out in countries whose minorities are being the targets of genocide (physical, cultural, etc., like Tibet)
    
    6. Become an example and start dismantling our own nuclear weapons before we have a right to tell other countries to dismantle theirs.
    
    7. Stop violating our own citizens' rights to privacy
    
    8. Tell the Dominionists that no, they can't force the world to convert to Christianity with the United States military
    
    
    If there's any others, feel free to add to it.

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       usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       AGREED

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       tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Like Korea, the Balkans, Indonesia after the tsunami, HIV/AIDS in Africa, etc.? All motivated by all the natural resources we could grab? How about Iraq? For all the hysteria, we have "grabbed" not one barrel of oil from that new democracy. This nonsense is just child-like simplicity based on emotion and nothing more.

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          mirandalloydposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          There's a difference between The Red Cross, a non-profit organization, and the official United States government. We didn't help Rwanda, Haiti, Sierra Leone, or Zimbabwe. We made things actually worse in the Congo. What about the student protests in Iran? I don't see anyone stepping in to say that the torture and killing of students who want democratic change is wrong.
          
          Come to think about it, I think I'm seeing a pattern here...

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             tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Like Korea, the Balkans, Indonesia after the tsunami, HIV/AIDS in Africa, etc.?
             
             
             
             And if you don't think the US government has expended a great deal of effort on behalf of Haiti you haven't been paying attention.

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       Shil1978posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       So, adhering to all of the above would stop terrorism directed against the USA?

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       tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Pay blackmail or else?

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       tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Like Obama actually helped out democracy advocates in Iran recently?

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          mirandalloydposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I didn't know about that. But the United States does have a hefty track record of this sort of behavior. If Obama's pushing for change in that department, then I support him fully.

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             tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             He offered only the most tepid, measured, calculated and mealy-mouthed support for people dying in the streets in the name of democratic reform.

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       tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       A lot of mafia bosses about ten years ago would agree with you.

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          mirandalloydposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I'm not talking about mafia bosses who had a lot of other evidence of their crimes. I'm talking about gauging how much of a threat to national security you are by the books you check out from the library.

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             tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Many mafioso were US citizens who had listening devices secretly installed in their homes and businesses by the government. And how many library records were actually tracked by the gov.?

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    hipriestess4uposted 14 years ago

    The United States has run it's own terrorist organization
    (black ops) CIA for so long, or at least it started after
    the famous cout de etat in 1963.  After Kennedy's assassination,
    Pax Ameicana went into full swing.
    
    Looking back over the history of the carnage and murder and
    millions of lives lost, whether in Korea, or Vietanam, or
    South America, or the Middle East, I think that the United
    States and it's military faction has murdered to many people,
    destroyed too many nations to affectively stop terrorism
    against it.
    
    You must remember that many terrorist acts against the US has
    been done by our own government, 9-11 was an inside job, perpetrated to create a reason for war!!
    
    Terrorism has existed for as long as humanity has.  We are
    afterall in the fallen state, so we have prospered by making
    this our living hell.

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       usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Kennedy was also against Zionism and Freemasonry that is why they just killed him. When a layman protest or speaks against them it's ok but when a famous person goes against their evils they just kill him/her

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       Writer Riderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       True, we're going to have to go beyond nationality to stop terroism in general (thus terrorism in the U.S) and it will probably take regular citizens to do it. How, by helping improve impoverished countries. Citizens in terrorist nations join their cause for one reason-poverty. They're joining these terrorist organizations because they promise to help house, cloth, fed, and doctor them.

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          tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Only that one reason? How do you measure that?

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       tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       ...................
       
       
       ...just another irrelevant nut...

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          mirandalloydposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Not necessarily. bin Laden is from a highly influential family in Saudi Arabia who had their hands in the pockets of George Bush the Second's business dealings, as well as those of his father. ...I don't know about you, but I have a hard time believing some guy in Afghanistan on kidney dialysis in a cave managed to plot and carry out the 9/11 attacks all by his lonesome.

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             tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             necessarily

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    Ron Marianoposted 14 years ago

    --edit: (*if, it is real, sorry) terrorism is indeed real, if it really has to happen then it will happen. We have to accept that terrorism is inevitable in our times. It's like a calamity. We can't prevent earthquakes, global warming, tornadoes, wild fires and things of such. We now have to accept that we must put "terrorism" in that same category. It's unfortunate that the human race has to go through these kind of things, but it is indeed present.
    
    If there are 10 people who love you. There will be another 10 that hate you. We can all be diplomatic and friendly towards our international counterparts, but while hatred, unhealthy envy, jealousy and greed are still present. I guess, terrorism will still be present. I define it now as a calamity.
    
    Well that's just me!

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       tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       ............."if"?

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          bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Just don't elect neocons and the terrorism threat goes way down.

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             Shil1978posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             So - I guess under the Obama Presidency, we can look forward to a terror-free period!!!

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                bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                If the neocons could supervise and allow 9/11, they could false flag us again from within or without government. Read my hubs on 911 so I don't have to rewrite them here.

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