Are you making a joke? America won't fail because we remove an incompetent fool who can't even repeat his orders without a teleprompter. America is far stronger than anyone wants to admit. As for "stopping this BS" - we are headed down the road to communism under Obama. If you can't or won't see that, then the only assumption I can make is that you want that and are happy with the resulting loss of liberty that it brings.
"Looks like". . . I stated outright that I DO want him to fail. Have you ever heard the phrase "useful idiot"? It was coined by Stalin. It describes those who push the current political agenda without understanding it's consequences.
Ain't it a self fulfilling prophecy... to wish someone to fail... you folks want to be so right.... even at the risk of wishing failure for all of us...calling folks like me "Idiot"... I'm done talking to you madam.
Sure, and every new president comes down to earth eventually. The danger for Obama is the longer the economy remains weak the less patience the people are going to have for all this enormous spending and 'stimulus' and takeovers of private companies and such. That in turn will erode support for things like nationalized health care and the energy bill. The economy is likely to pick up sooner or later (unless all this 'stuff' he's doing really does us in), but he'd better hope it starts looking up real soon.
There are mentally retarded people in the world and they do NOT exist to be punchlines for your crass jokes or a thoughtless way for you to insult others. You should be ashamed of yourself. Seriously. Very, very seriously.
And some have been warned like a kindergartner, even though they are FAR from that age...to behave themselves on the forum. Didn't you have enough fun chasing after Sweetiepie and protesting everything she said these last few days, hmmm?
It's part of the whole Febian theory. The idea to get out of a recession is for the government to increase spending drastically. Well, in increasing spending, the government gains more control. Our federal goverment has more power and the states have less power.
I hope that isn't a Rush Limbaugh take on economics, is it, MIJ?
Are there any instances where the situation you describe has happened, but the increase of federal power was temporary--so that after the crisis was over, things were perhaps a bit different, but also not every Republican's largest fear?
The conservatives I read say the past administration was much more responsible for growing big government than any democrat, you know...
I didn't vote for him but it was pretty close at the end. I really liked his presence but worried about experience. While I agree with some of the comments above about him possibly taking on too much, I really think it's goofy how people and the media always make the country's well being out to be one person's responsibility.
There are hundreds of people in our government that vote to make decisions and negotiate to get bills passed. Yet no one talks very much how congress and state gov take the big picture idea and can make a mess of it. What are your thoughts their?
I agree with you. A lot of change begins with Congress; the President just signs bills into law. Whether you agree or disagree with his platform, he has been doing a tremendous amount of things since taking office, in line with his campaign promises.
Well since as of June 23 2009 congress' approval rating was 33% I don't think Obama's the only one getting blamed. I think that a lot of people including much of the media are just starting to get over the infatuation with him and seeing some of the flaws.
News is a business. Feelings like being personally 'infatuated' with a candidate usually are not part of selling to subscribers and readers-but then again, they also do KNOW their constituents, . People should try to seek out balanced coverage. That means reading more than a few publications or polls and trying to analyze politics/issues critically.
I agree which is why I tend to watch, listen to, and read multiple news sources. I am independent and have more often the not leaned a little left of center on many issues/ candidates in the past. However I did not vote for Obama because I did not think he would be a strong leader. I do not agree with the path he is taking the country down and I do not like how congress is blindly going along with him. Because I do not agree with Obama does not mean that I do not have a full understanding of the issues or that I am not well read and well informed. That is my main issue with both Democrats and Republicans if you do not agree with them they immediately want to criticize you and accuse you of being biased and/or uninformed.
First off all presidents have rises and falls in opinion polls. Bush Sr was at the top of his game at the end of the Gulf War, but by the time of the 92 election he lost to Clinton, and that was even with a large number of people supporting Perot.
Some of us made informed decisions when we voted for Obama, and we knew the economy had been in trouble for along time anyway. Obama is doing what he can with a less than positive economy, and I wonder how people can be so fickle?
Do you really think Palin and McCain would be doing a better job? I for one am happy to have a president who is once again trying to make us part of the world community, and not antagonizing other nations. If people only voted for Obama because they were fickle, they are probably let down because they did not think their voting choice through more.
i dont think i know palin and mcCain would have done a better job, you know why because there republicans. Everyone has always said that republicans are for the rich and democrats are for the poor. at least thats the way it used to be. well if thats true and republicans are considered rich and for the rich people then they would still be great to keep in office. you know why because let me tell a secret as to why rich people have money, and this is for any rich person not just politics.its because they dont spend it, obama going and trowing away billions and billions of dollars is not what this country needs. you can blame it all on bush if you want, but ive said this a hundred times and ill say it again. what good is a republican president if everyone in congress is democrat?
I am a history major and I can tell you that under most Democratic administrations since World War II the economy has faired better than under most Republican administrations. I am an intelligent lady that strives to make well thought out comments, and you just follow your party idealogy. Some of the worst administrations have been run by Repulicans, just to state the facts. I speak for myself dear, and if you think Obama is paying me you really will be sad to find out he is not lol.
of coarse i dont really believe that obama is paying you. why would he pay someone who will actually believe his hype for free. and just so you know i do tend to lean more toward the republican side BUT i vote independatly. if you want to keep a democrat in office fine, but clinton would have done a better job than obama. at least she wouldnt be treatin the white house like pee wee's play house..
there is no need for a stimulus package.... come on people the goverment dosent have the money as it is. obama has made sure of that giving the last of the money that we have to foreign grant programs.
In a Democracy, All politicians regardless of their supposed party must do the bidding of their masters. Obama is no exception to the rule. His masters paid a lot and they expect a lot, and he has given them a lot. From a business stand point he has been a perfect Capital Purchase. George Soros alone has seen a return of about 1000% on his little campaing investment.
It might actually be better if she were to win, because then enough of the left might be outraged enough to take to the streets, and then some real change might actually happen. And if you went to Europe you would miss all the fun.
Hey...I'm in the process of selling one of my land investments--for 4.5 times what I paid for it. What do you know/think of Forex trading/investing? (oh, and haha, I'm recommending people see your hubs when they skate onto my real estate one...)
Really there is no rationalizing with you and those who think like you because you are determined to not like Obama. Hillary would have been a good president, but Obama is doing a better job. The economy has been on a down ward decline, and it is not going to correct itself over night. Anyway, some people just do not like Obama period, and they have made up their minds. Talking politics is like playing a game of circles really.
It sounds like you do not know any lawyers personally. Once I remember back when I was teaching there were a couple of colleagues who believed that stereotype, and no matter how much I tried to show them this was not true they were hindered by this crutch. Many lawyers actually go into the field to do good and are very ethical. My aunt was a very high powered lawyer, and probably one of the most ethical people I have ever met.
Well I was not close with those colleagues, but I can assure you many people are actually impressed with my opinions. You do not have to be one of them. Yes you do attack people because you make large blanket statements, most of which are exaggerations . Anyway, I hope you have fun playing on the forum. Why would my colleges be disagreeing with me lol.
i don't see what the big deal is? i have not said anything different from what she has said other than we disagree. all the other comments are facts not threats and i have already proved them to her. by me saying her state is in debt by my previous posts is only because it's a fact, not a threat. everyone knows california is hurting right now. and yes i told her that the only person who agrees with her is herself, only because she made a comment stating that even her colleages dont agree with her. so that is fact not a threat. if she wants to play that then i guess she has threatened me too, because from her very first post she has blabbed about how she is well educated, history major. so she knows what she talkin about and i dont. hows that for a BLANKET STATEMENT.
SweetiePie is absolutely right: discussing politics (at least in this type of situation, on an internet forum) is like playing a game of circles. I absolutely agree.
There are some people on here that no matter how hard they try to convince me, I will probably never interpret information the way that they do. I know that they will never do the same with my information, either. We agree to disagree, and I certainly respect anyone for sharing their opinion, when done so gracefully.
Obviously, we all have researched information that we base our opinions off of. I find myself rolling my eyes every once in a while when reading on the political forums on here and I know people of the opposite political persuasion, do too. Everyone has different information and experiences. That's why there are different political parties and constituents with different viewpoints. That's awesome because that's what democracy is all about!
There are a lot of folks on here that come out and say things to the effect of: "I am so right. You are so wrong, therefore I am smarter than you and you are an idiot."
I haven't seen SweetiePie do that. I don't believe she would, either. Instead, she shares her own opinions, in a very kind manner and I enjoy listening to her viewpoints because they are presented very respectfully. Anything that comes across as righteous or passion-oriented (for me, political policy should only be about facts), is a huge turn-off for political discussion.
I will agree to your statement. A lot of my views are totally the oppisites of SweetiePies however, she speaks well for what she believes in and I listen, she has a way of getting me to look at something from a different perspective. That's the great thing about forums, disscussions are important, but even more important is listening and being open to listen to others.
Following are the major points which is degrading Obama day by day.
1) He is totally unable to coupe with the CREDIT CRUNCH.
2) He has no other plan except NEW MASONIC (WORLD) ORDER for the whole world.
2) He lied about closing the Guantanamo Bay Jail.
3) He lied about withdrawing American, NATO or ISAF troops from Afghanistan and Iraq.
4) He has done nothing to clear the Federal Reserve's debt of almost 8 trillion dollars.
5) He is unable to trial Bush for his war crimes. Bush himself admitted in his last interview that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and was sorry about his policies. BUSH MUST BE GIVEN THE DEATH PENALTY IMMEDIATLY.
6) He has done nothing to coupe with the problem of prisons and prisoners of USA which are maximum as compared to any other country of the world.
7) He has done nothing to coupe with the major problem of rapes that take place per day (almost 2000 rapes per day) in USA. USA also leads over other countries in this regard.
8) He has done nothing to reduce the maximum number of registered cases of Depression, Hypertension, Obesity, Breast Cancer, Aids ....... (a long list of diseases).
9) He has done nothing to coupe with the problem of increasing number of illegitimacy (child birth without wedlock).
10) He has done nothing to revive the family system and bring back the old innocent parents to their young healthy children from old age houses.
11) He must demote USA's Nuclear Program and weapons before instructing any other country of the world whether Iran or Israel .............
First off Obama is repairing our relations with the world community, which is a very important step. Some Americans say we should not care what other countries think about our actions, but I would compare that to a class buly that simply does not care what his other classmates think. Basically the Republicans on this thread love to pick at anything that goes against their idealogy. The Stimulus Package has actually saved some jobs that would have been lost if it had not been passed, especially for those working for the cities and the counties. There is still much work to be done, but here is a story showing how the Democrats actually have done more good than harm:
Sorry you see things that way. No, savvy world leaders know that we are all equal players in the global community, and one country should not intimidate others. Even Reagan and Bush Sr. were far more diplomatic and restrained than Bush Jr. was during his term in office.
I agree that Bush Jr. did a lot to tarnish our international image. And I agree that it definitely needed some repairing; I just think there is a right way to go about it and a wrong way. And I don't think Obama's way is completely right. You can be strong on national defense, security, and stand up for democracy without alienating half the world.
How is sending more troops into Afghanistan "prostrating our nation"? Obama is meeting with world leaders on issues affecting the entire globe. It's high time America accepted its place as a country among countries. We are not the Superman of all nations nor should we be a bully in the sandbox. Obama's diplomacy is being well received. Hooray!
I second that MM and third it and anything else it
lil bit of trivia for you all A small primary (elementary) school in a rural town, in New Zealand recently acknowledged World Leaders. And the school children (after 3 weeks on the 'learning about our world unit') were invited to write comments under the pictures of leaders etc.... Under the USA and pic of Pres.Obama, one kid had written "Attaboy".!!!..these were like 8&9 yr olds...
I just thought that was so neat ,and guess I wanted to share too that other countries are interested and do care what World Leaders are doing..
why do you think our country has not really been F***ed with so to speak besides pearl harbor and 9/11? its because we have always carried the mentality of, you mess with us we'll kick your a**. america has always been on top of the todem pole and in my opinion there are only 2 other country that could possibly get us off, china and russia. not to say that we have built ourselves up so high that we can not be brought down, but as of now there are only a couple of country with the technology level to take us on. the only reason obama sent troops to Afghanistan is because he found out that its not as easy as just pulling all troops out like he thought. to stay on top it envolves attacking before being attacked, and thats what no one understands
you dont just attack at random. you attack the people who are of the most threat before they attack you. but you know what fine thats the way we have been doing it for years. obama go ahead and bring the change because i will abondon ship. i'll be da**ed if im going to be attacked on my home turf.
Picking battles abroad... we can't be insulated forever at home... we have to stop looking at the world from our POV.... Unnecessary American invasions in places like Iraq are prime recruiting talking points for terrorist agendas.... in the long run making enemies doesn't guarantee safety for anybody.
Positive or constructive like ridiculing mentally challenged people? Positive or constructive like changing my quotes to suggest I said something I didn't? You don't have to like me, but don't let that cloud your sense of reason.
Tk, you chop up peoples' words all the time. You take a snippet of their posts which are generally lengthy at first, then dwindle to near nothing as you continue to give one or two line responses without actually saying anything new - you insult people constantly, at least you appear to in tone - for instance, why did you automatically assume my sense of reason is clouded just because I questioned you?
Lita knows kind of where I sit as far as the whole stooping to ground level and wriggling like a worm goes. You obviously don't, so here it is:
I like the Hubpages forums. I don't like seeing one person run rampant through the forum making skid marks everywhere in attempts to dirty the grounds. (I know you're not LITERALLY performing these actions, but it's metaphor.)
Could you, for just a while, go without posting things that you KNOW FULL WELL will cause arguments or tension, and perhaps be pleasantly sociable?
no problem...I was thinking about writing a hub about the benefits of political discussion on hubpages' forums - are there any? LOL
My conclusion would be: no, not a whole lot!
For me, I enjoy developing my debate skills. Other than that, I know that my presenting of a few facts here and there isn't going to change many opinions. I don't expect it too. I hope other people don't expect to change my opinion, either. Like I said, we all have been made aware of different information and all have different experiences. Thank goodness, because life would be pretty darn boring if this was not the case.
However, I fear that many on here just like to argue and lose sight of the true purpose of political discussion, which I would have to define as the method in which issues are debated and discussed to weigh the pros and cons in order to reach or strengthen a conclusion. So many people resort to including belittling statements and righteous attitudes with little bits of interesting information and facts sprinkled in. Who is going to respond well to that? It's not something I like to participate in.
I like discussion based on facts. Not blog posts that can be traced back to K Street on Washington D.C. or what someone heard from and friend of a friend of a friend. Sadly, there is a lot of that on here.
If the political discussions on HubPages involved more factual information and no personal attacks (*completely* pointless!), I'd definitely want to participate more.
Yes, Virginia(s). There is intelligent life out there. Once in a while...oh, pre-two or so months ago...there were some pretty good debates going on hubpage political forums (and sometimes still are). And yes, a lively debate and and exchange of ideas...even barbs...can hone your mental skills. I also believe that one can and do influence and change others' perceptions, sometimes widening them & sometimes for the better.
I think when people assume "opinions are just opinions," etc. they perhaps think of this as a zero sum game. And many of the new participants, keen on being as disagreeable as humanly possible I take it, obviously think that. But it isn't always so.
These stereotypical loud mouth types biggest sin is being boring, though!
If I were having common sense lately I would rarely participate in the political discussions. However, you could always write a blog elsewhere besides Hubpages and perhaps make it unidentifying enough to where no one could know who you were. However, I understand your being hesitant to do so to because it seems many people will flame those discussion.
I just want to add a few things here. First off I know many introverts who do not enjoy debates of any kind, but they are some of the most astute people I know. They listen and read, but rarely contribute to debates because they simply do not enjoy these exchanges. Online I am a some what more outspoken of my thoughts and feelings, but in a group I would draw back a little. Nothing wrong with deciding not to participate in these exchanges, and I think sometimes it can be more peaceful that way.
As for insisting that the economy of Texas is thriving in this current down turn, well that is not 100% accurate. California has the largest and most complex economy here in the US, and the largest population in the country. California also has the eighth largest economy in the world, which is a large reason as to why we have taken such a hit.
It is very limiting to generalize and not point out the specifics. The entire world economy is not in good shape right now, just to let those know who feel their state is doing really well. Maybe the unemployment rate there is lower than other states, but seven percent is still high, and more jobs will be lost this year.
The Texas unemployment rate is rising along with that of the country, so to proclaim that one's state is in better shape is ridiculous:
A couple of people on this thread follow people around and make personal comments. If I stood up for my education it was because from the first exchanges I was being spoken down to, and I do not have to accept that treatment. So you can wrap up your perspective in a pretty little bow and say you are showing me the facts, but that is simply not the case.
TK you were very protective of Sarah Palin over the David Letterman debacle. Also, you were a little upset when people simply said the minister she invited to town was a little odd. So it is one thing to claim you not phased by little thing, but that is not completely the case.
Also, no one is going to conform to your way of thinking. I feel very fair and kind, and I do not have to rise to anything. Nothing I have said is out of line.
A comment you deserve. And true, as well. There are those here who you ARE attacking who would not say anything. And just because your tactics are a little below what a casual observer may ascertain as abusive does not mean that some of us who have witnessed your procedure on the forums now for months don't see it.
Only when it is convenient for you. As witnessed on numerous threads. They've even measured how many posts you make daily of your nonsense. It along the lines of 27 per day, to most people's average of 10.
I'm done with you today. Too much excitement for me, yawn.
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