Conservative - don't let the Liberals Reframe the Debate

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   nicompposted 14 years ago

   Stay on message. The issue is the Federal Government co-opting 17% of the economy. The issue is personal freedoms eroding.
   
   Let them whine about a few vocal people at town hall meetings.
   
   Stay on message.

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "A people should know when they are conquered".   Quintas
      
      It's sad in a way.  The Republicans are dead and don't even know it.  A party that started with Lincoln and ended with Bush........You have fallen so far.
      
      Mark it down.  There will never be another Republican president.

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         James Agbogunposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         What a shame Mr mont, how could you quote from a virtual source? The gladiator "quintos" is now your reference.

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         Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I am surprised some people read few pages of Wiki... and think they know the history. Socialism failed everywhere. But look communism is second stage of socialism. You never seen anything yet.

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   ledefensetechposted 14 years ago

   Doesn't really matter, do you think the Dems are going to stay in power after the last couple of fiascoes?  Wait till the banks go insolvent. 
   
   What I'm concerned about is getting in the Republican version of Papa Obama, the neocons.  The Dems are the welfare part and the Republicans are the warfare part of the welfare-warfare state.  At least the radicals on both sides are anyway.

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      ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      <snipped personal attack> go and victimise somebody else that doesn't share your ideals. Why not argue with somebody who has a vote?

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   tksenseiposted 14 years ago

   Yeah, that's what they said when Carter was elected.
   
   
   
   ...ahem...

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Who is your Reagan waiting in the wings this time.....Hell, you can't even scrape up a Nixon. 
      
      The Republicans can't claim to stand for anything, they have nowhere to go.
      
      Foreign policy competence?  Errrrrrrrr
      
      Smaller government?   Errrrrrrrrrrrr
      
      Lower Taxes? Errrrrrrrrr
      
      Family Values? 

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         Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Christian family values.........

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            Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Those are the only kind of course.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Of course. No divorce, child abuse or playing for the other team over there....

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            nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Pot, meet kettle.

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         pgrundyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Weirdly, Nixon looks pretty good compared with the current crew.
         
         I think this partisan rancor is childish and rather hateful. Sad little white men clutching their money and their stuff and screaming about the end of 'their' America.
         
         Seriously it brings a tear to my eye. Tragical it is.

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            Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            It's beyond tragical, it's catastrophical!

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               pgrundyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, yes, the extinction of the pasty-faced money pudge.
               
               Let us have of moment of silence.
               
               Where are those damned environmentalists when you need them!!!

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                  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Come on, Pam.  Are you down to racism now?  Surely you can do better.

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                     Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     lol...LDT!  Are you jealous of obvious picturesque eloquence?
                     
                       I think you are!  You can do better than that.

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                        ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        
                        I'll have you know that I have a tan and am still broke. 

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            tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            So now this is a racial thing? Or is it a gender thing? Any other angles you would like to add?

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         tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Reagan wasn't Reagan at first. We'll see what we'll see...

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   ryankettposted 14 years ago

   There will be many more republican presidents, but not in 2012!
   
   Its more likely that the democrats will struggle to find the next Obama in 2016, before then.... no chance!

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      ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Are you that brain dead.  Just wait until the elections in November.  It's pretty much a tossup to see if the Democrats can keep any kind of a majority in Congress.  Ignore the tea party, protests against Obamacare, etc.  Ignoring those will come back to haunt you.  Opposition to Bush is not the same thing as the acceptance of Progressive ideals.  The Dems would have been smart to understand that, but instead they claimed a "mandate from the people" and managed to piss a lot of them off.  2012 will be interesting.  It took Bush 8 years to piss people off this badly and Obama has done it in less than a year.  There's a lesson there if you have the wit to see it.

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         Cls1321posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         EDIT: I'm recanting my statement for once reason. Online debates solve nothing, and I don't want to piss people off and get my Adsense account banned lol =P
         
         enjoy the debates all !

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            tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Or maybe because you realized your statement was filled with errors?

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               Cls1321posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               No, that's actually not the case at all. I don't write and post something if I don't back and believe it 100%. The point is, some people get real pissed off on these forums and I don't want to get caught up in that. I joined this community to write, earn, and be-friend people, not argue and talk politics.

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                  James Agbogunposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  if you are not here to debate politics, then go and check for your folks

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

   I think they're actually happy now that they have someone to be pissed off at.  Perverted logic of the shack dwellers.

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      Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I guess it's the way that Bush united the left leaning people

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   pgrundyposted 14 years ago

   BTW I'm the only person in America who voted for Nixon.
   
   He won by a landslide but nobody voted for him.
   
   Figure that one out.

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      Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I have to hate you now Just kidding, I don't hold who people vote against them...usually. Wow, I didn't know you were that old

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         pgrundyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That is my job UW... the absorb the rage of the world!
         
         Seriously I'm WAAAAAAAY old. Ancient.
         
         That was my only Republican vote but it was a doozy. He actually did some good things, and even the bad things--at least it was tragedy on a grand scale. Tragedy in the sense of the tragic-character-defect that brings the protagonist down. The little pricks since Nixon, they're just mean little greedy men. Nixon was mean writ large.

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            Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            And coincidentally he was for universal healthcare.

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            ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Nixon hosed everyone.  He's the reason why I think we have two wings of one party instead of a two party system.

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   pgrundyposted 14 years ago

   Hey who let the dog out?

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      tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah that's better, just avoid it.

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   Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

   Pasty-faced money pudge! That's the best political description I've heard in a long, long time! I hope it gets widely adopted, Pam! You should be writing for Stewart!

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   Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

   How can one white person making a comment about another white person, or group of predominantly white people, be RACIST???

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      ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Racism is a mindset.
      
      If I said that about a black man, added comments about fried chicken and watermelon, I'd be pilloried.  Just because a racist comment doesn't meet your definition of racism the mindset is still that of a racist.

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      tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Why couldn't it be?

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    Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

    But what PGrundy said does not meet your standards of racism. She is not categorizing everyone who is "white" as "pasty-faced." She is selecting a segment of the white (presumably MALE) American population who happen to have a commonality that they control the nation's money.
    
    Racism paints an entire group of people by the same brush based solely on their RACE. The group Pam describes is not a RACE.
    They seem to think they are (the master one) but they are not!

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       Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah!  Plus Obama is killing them with microbes anyway.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

    Didn't you know that "racism" against middle aged white men is worse than any other racism?

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    Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

    I sincerely hope Merriam-Webster is a good enough reference source for you both:
    Main Entry: rac·ism
    Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
    Function: noun
    Date: 1933
    1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
    2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
    
    — rac·ist  \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective
    
    Gentlemen, I know Pam Grundy and she ain't no RACIST. And I'm not gonna stick around and debate this FACT with you today. Enjoy each other's company.

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       tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I hope you're right.

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          Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Doesn't help you any, she is a speciesist.

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    Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

    Ron, thanks for the reminder. I'd almost forgotten about the microbes! They attack brain function first, I hear:-).

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       Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I have been getting great advice on that thread from my Indian (dot not feather) friend.

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    pgrundyposted 14 years ago

    Gadzooks! Methinks I see the ghost of Allan Bakke right here at HP! (And it's not even Christmas Eve!)
    
    http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0841421.html
    
    It just gets scarier and scarier around here...
    
    

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    Ivan the Terribleposted 14 years ago

    You got who the majority voted for.   If one doesn't like that, then do better the next time.  The Republicans had a pretty good chance of getting a president elected, except they make the wrong choices in McCain and Palin.
    
    McCain had too many enemies among the voters and Palin was too far to the right, where the Republican Party seems to be edging with  greater velocity.
    
    Yes, the Democrats have often edged too far to the left, but somehow common sense took over and they learned they had to appeal to the great MIDDLE, the Independents and Moderates.
    
    Many among the Republicans are either aware of how some pundits like Limbaugh ruin your party's chances with the middle, or they actually believe he is either (a) good for the party, or (b) represents what should be the core values of the party.
    
    I am sure that Abe Lincoln would have had him jailed without bail under the sedition laws enacted by Lincoln during the Civil War because a Limbaugh would be dangerous for the party & the nation.  Maybe instead of a Reagan you need to find another Lincoln, someone who lives his values, unlike so many politicians of both parties. 
    
    Yes, Dems also mess up, but the difference to many is that when a Republican chastises everyone else about morals and family values, and then gets caught with his oants down, it smacks of hypocrisy, and from what I know of most Americans, they don;t like hypocrits of any political stripe.
    
    If you REALLY care about America, then start finding the common ground and work hard at putting aside your petty differences and make America great again, because it sure doesn't look great from the outside.

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       ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Lincoln did enough damage.  What we really need is another Jefferson.  Have you read his letters, by chance.  Interesting stuff.  He laments the fact that his anti-federalists campaigned on the promise to end Federalist policies, but once in power began busily expanding them.  Nothing corrupts like power.

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          nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Evidently being a community organizer also corrupts.

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             ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             It can, I suppose.  Much would depend on the personality of the organizer.  Yet the community organizer can do much less damage than even a US President with Lincoln's power, much less the virtual King we have today.  For one, you can always ignore the community organizer.  You can't ignore the King, he can have you locked up or shot.

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                Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Or attacked with microbes.

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                   ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I'm not so sure about your microbe theory.  How do you know it isn't nanotech robots?  I imagine the targeting system on that would be more specific than what you'd find on a microbe.  Plus machines don't mutate like organisms do.  You wouldn't want your microbe to shift on you and start attacking your people, would you?

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                      Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Ahhhhhhh
                      
                      You are wise in the ways of micro warfare.

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                         ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Ray Kurzweil is the Zen Master of micro warfare, I am just his disciple.

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                   nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Right-wing microbes. A vast right-wing conspiracy of microbes.

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       Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Best post Ivan the Terrible, (lol, I believe, of ahem, Spain) has ever made.

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    Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

    Yeah, community organizing will do that do you. I've heard that Mother Theresa was really a power-hungry egomaniac. Also a Nazi. Or was it a Communist -- I get them so confused.

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       Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       She wasn't really born in India either!

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       ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Good job ignoring the "depends on the personality of the community organizer part".  Looks like you still see what you want to see, not what is really there.

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