nope he does not it is clearly saying that women and children are being harmed they are innocent victims (many) of them due to circumstance.
not just him, but how many others...Barney Frank the most recent one.
what did he do? couldnt load the whole thing. i had chickens to butcher and missed tv......
lol. Let's give Joe Wilson 4 years to think about it as well.
Ahh, the situational ethics of Progressives/Democrats/Liberals.
Couldn't agree more! However, it's pretty sad that nicomp has to go digging back to 2005 to take a stab at the Democratic party. What a joke.
Can't censor me here, eh?
Actually I was skewering Kerry, not his party. Stay with me.
I'm sure we could find something a little more recent, or we could always go back 40 years to a midnite ride "Chappaquiddick Teddy!"
Oh no. That happened too long ago. They're not interested any more.
Not in Massachusetts. The Kennedy compound is impenetrable.
"The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts" Never been there, always wanted to go, not to live just visit!
I can't remember who wrote it, but this was written by a columnist during the Robert Bork confirmation hearings:
"If the Democrats want to get rid of Bork, they should let Ted Kennedy drive him home."
Of course, that was a long time ago. Nobody cares anymore.
He did not make these statement interrupting the President of the United States in Congres..
Bush was booed before Congress! Give it a rest!
With all due respect, what was your take on the reporter who threw his shoe at Bush?
Didn't that take place in a foreign country? I don't believe in any attempted assault of anyone.
Foreign Country? That matters? The president is fair game when he leaves the floor of the Senate?
Yes, it was in Iraq.
And if Kerry had said this in Congress interrupting the President, then yes, he should have apologized and been censured.
Bush booed when addressing Congress
"Democrats Boo Bush At 2005 State Of The Union"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ … union.html
Notice that all the Progressives/Liberals/Democrats vanished when I posted the link to Bush being booed by Congress.
I listened (to the original on C-Span) and it's hard to tell if it is booing or if it is people agreeing with him about how Social Security could go bankrupt. I'm sure you will ridicule that theory.
Why would the Democrats boo at this point?
"f steps are not taken to avert that outcome, the only solutions would be dramatically higher taxes, massive new borrowing, or sudden and severe cuts in Social Security benefits or other government programs."
Sorry to disagree with all those conservative blogs...
And why did Fox say nothing about it when it happened?
They booed because that's exactly what they want to happen. The democrats want dramatically higher taxes, massive new borrowing and sudden and severe cuts in benefits given to people. Look at Obama's current course. They're not stupid, they know exactly where their actions will take this country.
Of course they booed.
Lol, that is their platform and they would admit that by booing.
It still sounded more like grumbling that booing to me. And again, why did no one make a big deal out of this at the time? There is no way of knowing who did or did not boo, that is my opinion.
Because conservatives are more mature than liberals. And only liberals would have booed Bush.
Good spin. "Not booing, grumbling." I am impressed.
And Joe Wilson was yelling into his Bluetooth. He didn't call the President a liar, he called his dry cleaner a liar.
Conservatives are more mature than liberals.......
I think that is the stupidest statement I have ever read.
Yeah I do. And your point being?
Oh, I forgot your so terrifically perfect, and the most insightful theorist the world has ever seen. My bad...
Stupidest statement ever. Own it- you wrote it.
Oh, I take full responsibility for that statement. Adults are willing to look at facts. As soon as you confront a liberal with facts they change the subject, obfuscate or run away.
Are you really taking responsibility for the statement, or are you just pissed off because he didn't agree with what you had to say? It's really too bad you commented back, your silence was speaking volumes.
I think you just let him get the best of you. Shame really. I don't think RK runs and hides from anybody. So good luck with that, Madame X.
Just an outsider's point of view. Excuse me, if I've ticked you off.
You haven't ticked me off. I've never met a liberal who is willing to look at the facts and face them if those same facts fly in the face of what they want to believe. Facing what you don't like takes courage, not a strong suit of liberals.
Well... I took it more as people grumbling about how bad Social Security would get if Bush didn't fix it. Just because a few conservative blogs say it so does not necessarily mean it is...
A registered Republican may or may not be a conservative, just as a democrat may or may not be a liberal. However, I've no desire to argue labels with you. I look at what actions people take and match it up with their avowed affiliation. Only then do I draw my conclusions.
And I want no bad karma with you. However, that does not make me a Hindu.
I think the moral of the story is you can't lump EVERYBODY into one selective group, and trash talk them. According to you, Democrats have no courage. I'm a Democrat, I have courage........ But does that change your opinion of Democrats, no! It's kinda like the KKK, in Mississippi in the 1950's. Labeling, tagging, leads to a form of racism.
Not saying your a racist, just making an observation.
No, I said LIBERALS have no courage, not democrats. And I haven't lumped EVERYBODY into one category. I have carefully observed the actions of liberals and this is what I've found. If your observations are different, and as a result you hold different beliefs, that is, of course, your right.
I also stated, quite clearly, that I do not want to argue labels with you. That's a hint - I don't use labels. I observe actions and then equate those actions with self-avowed affiliations. Or did you miss that part?
As to the OP, the guy who threw a shoe at Bush was an Iraqi. Joe Wilson apologized as he should, and they should move on. Democrats making more of it than it really was will only hurt Democrats and make Joe Wilson a hero. He said he was sorry, and Obama accepted. Should be the end of it.
As for A Texan
I don't think I have every changed the subject on you. And we have had some nasty debates.
But why is it Conservatives lately consider insults facts? Or is it just the way they are saying it?
I am insulted by the entire post and tone. Do the troll 'conservatives' on this forum see nothing and formulate nothing but stereotypes of people in a binary fashion--left/right?
Anybody insulting the President of the United States--legitimately doing so--should apologize. Would I personally 'require' Joe Wilson due that? No. Did/should he have enough decorum himself to do so? Yes. And a smart move.... And it was an apology that Obama accepted graciously and told others not to make a big deal about.
As for my opinion on whether it was 'right.' Let the guilty party's constituency decide that. I understand his opponent's internet fundraising $ due to this incident has now reached $500,000.
What surprises me is that as much crap as you troll 'conservatives' spew...constantly, constantly belching stereotypes and misinformation...that there are liberals such as bgpappa that take the time to be patient with you.
Apparently, you have trolling to do.
What's a matter, Nicomp...couldn't find a 'liberal' statement in that verbiage to rip the wings off of? Oh, poor thing. You're left without any defense. So hard for trolls...actual communication. That's why you are nameless, faceless trolls who stereotype.
You're married to that "wings off" analogy, aren't you?
Don't forget the fabric softener.
That's so cute! Did you take the cue for that technique from Rush Limbaugh? Or maybe long ago, half forgotten frat house antics? Did it work for you then?
Colors in warm water.
Actually, I have no clue. I don't do laundry.
Special! So special. I'm impressed with the rhetoric, truly. Where is your deep need for meaningful debate? Disappear with the rest of your previous act?
And of course...OF course you don't do laundry. BTW, I do MY OWN laundry. And only that.
Don't you think they should have a beer in the back yard?
Oh, this thread is a hoot.
Nicomp you truly tickle my funny bone you cheeky monkey.
They are much less funny the more you have contact with the type, I'm afraid...
But you are welcome to 'em, .
He does have a unique ability to get her flustered
Can't say so, there, Tex...but he does have the unique ability to win me fans,
But sho' nuff, he seem to have run off like hound dog after a pole cat. Daddgummit!
Wonderin why, jus' why?
The entire point on the part of those opposed to health care reform is to cause yet another distraction from the real issue. That is the way I see it .
At this point those opposed to health care reform are getting more desperate. It is like the boyfriend who knows his girlfriend is going to leave him, but he is just set on acting like a totally ninny about it . Ann Coulter and Fox News proclaimed tonight that conservative bloggers and Fox are bringing journalism back to life. That was quite an entertaining comment . Whenever I want to giggle I just turn it to Fox for a few minutes. LG's other half was right about how that is a funny station to watch for the entertainment value alone.
Oh yeah, a 'desperate' growing majority...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/121814/more- … hcare.aspx
Things have changed since Obama's speech and the truth has come out. In an impromtu poll with CNN more people decided they were in favor of health care reform. Thanks for sharing your statistics from July.
Well Sweetie I wouldn't get too excited about CNN polls, all 12 people that watch it are completely insane!
Because the politics forum has become just like the religion forum in the past few months. There are a lot of religionist pols about...or, just boring bored people who troll all day, .
You mean Sweetie is religionist and she trolls? No, you are kidding me, this can't be
Yawn. No. SP is clear headed and lays out a clean argument. If you don't know who 'the religionists' are in this forum, I cannot help you. Must be the same as your take on 'racism.'
I am definitely not a troll, but Misha is a jerk. See I really see he has it out for me. I feel like just reporting his comment.
I did not make one, but he just made a big one. He is definitely singling me out and not being nice about it. Oh well, I knew he really has been biased against me for years. This is not new!
His comment is way out of line. If someone says something to attack me right when I come on the forum I have a right to stand up for myself. It is a jerky comment, especially since I was singled out completely!
Is the Waaaambulance parked permanently outside your door?
I'd guess you do have a vision problem, yes. That much is apparent.
Well the only person that was attacked was me. Mostly I was coming here to talk with Lita. Misha really needs to lay off. He cannot command certain people he does not like around a certain way.
Wow. About time another troll got a conscience. (haha, we are picking em off one by one!)
Consider me Sweetiepie's big sister. Then you understand. All the rest is crap you've made up in your own head.
I think there is no way to rationalize with this crowd. As far as I am concerned the minute I pointed out Fox is deluded and people should not poke fun at people's personal lives that is when the swipe started. They did not like that people do not enjoy Fox, and that is what this is about.
I wouldn't even give them that measure of rationality. I'd say they are just bored, frankly...and that is about all.
No rhyme or reason to their actions but meanness.
Sweetiepie, nobody cares what you think about Fox news, no one attacked you in a way that would suggest that. If Misha said something you think was mean then ask him to stop. Quit trying to be a victim, thats what makes it worse.
Have you considered your own actions in this fray? Any reason why you decided you couldn't 'tease' her? I'd suggest there is.
Yeah there is a reason,she isn't in attack mode 24/7. And can be fun to talk to, soooo unlike you!
Who Sweetie? Maybe, but I can't get onto all of them.
No, not Sweetie - she's cool. Our journalist/laundress.
Did you hear she said I threatened to BBQ her? WTF is that about, that is a few fries short of a happy meal!
??? I actually don't pay much attention to her because she never stays on topic or offers any real content on same.
I'm just concerned for my safety, she may get Blue Duck to come after me!
You really should try writing a few more hubs, 'ma'am'--give you more credibility. But then again, you don't need it with yer bunch, do ya?
NO, silly, silly. That's saying, very blatantly, "Ma'am" doesn't write very much or have much credibility. Period. Very confidently, lol. Just like you hate 'em.
Hubpages Credibility? Wow, that is important to "writers?"
Any hope for discussing on this thread went out the door the moment I mentioned Fox. Of course saying they are not helping journalism spiraled down into how I just do not communicate up to par with the all knowing expert on the thread. I even looked back and saw he took two words from my post and accused me of sounding like the religion thread. At first I thought oh maybe I took things out of context, but someone is responsible for turning this into another mud slinging contest.
Discuss something, fine with me. Cuss fox news I don't care.
Any hope for discussing anything real went out the door with the addition of these trolls, SP. Misha does indeed like to tease...I think it is left over from stuff he saw in the past, lol. I don't think he realizes how much it might effect you, honestly. (Consider Sandra and how she chats.) Of course it does not excuse anything.
As far as me...I find nothing to sincerely talk about with this bunch. This is what they want.
This time it went way beyond teasing. I just think taking two words I said and declaring me to sound like the religion forum is way out of line. Of course I have known all along I am just not popular with some. He does not care if any of this bothers me because for him it is funny. He may tease some, but he truly thinks pretty low of me I believe. I should not care, but I never have done this stuff to him. His telling me I need to improve myself is so insulting too. He would scoff if I told him what I think he needed to improve on lol.
It's actually a lot of reverse psychology. With all of them. If they are attacking you, believe me, I think you should take that as a compliment. Sincerely. Look how they all hate me,
And of course you've never done this stuff to him...all the more reason to do it to you. DO not take anything in this thread seriously...especially from a bunch of fruitloops hiding behind screen names and avatars so they can insult.
That's the spirit girl! People hate those they are afraid of, they are aggressive towards the one's who make them feel insecure. It my personal opinion, that like that of the Republican party- many of our hubpage "trollers, and hate mongers" are scared, and have severe self esteem issues.
Thumb suckers- the lot of them.
Debate class 101, or just your average airport observation. I find it amazing, that even with the aid of the Internet- that a person's insecurities can be brought out into the open. I mean, they are protected, identities protected, no face-to-face; and yet their behavior is the same as if they were face-to-face. I've falling prey to it myself, but.....
What good is falling, if you cannot take a lesson from it and grow?
I like the new pic.
She has to state that outright Tex - or you won't get it.
You're right, he doesn't. Neither do you. Ultimately.
(It's embarrassing, ) Oh, AND...I'm a 'he.' Can't you tell?
Has she written anything? I have never bothered to look
No, "Madame" thinks TK and I are one and the same person...or working as a team to break up serious Republican debate topics (omg) on Hubpages. Which, incidentally, is nuts...but OK, whatever!
And listen, sir: You were offensive to me from day one. And I'm afraid I'm just not that interested in displaying 'tender feelings' or what ever you would have so you can rip them apart, as you are currently doing to my friend.
I come here to debate. For fun. It used to be so when there were people on here with actual arguments. You don't happen to be one of them. All you do is spew...and I'm simply not interested in that...or from keeping you from being bored. So go ahead and 'hate' me and tell me to kill myself if it makes you feel better. I know you for what you are. Don't really appreciate it...don't really appreciate the faux 'advice' you are dispensing to SP, either.
Explaining exactly how things stand above...
I've decided to give you...'whatever you ares'...a taste of your own medicine. Nicomp was easy. You're the next one to break.
So think of your daughters or nieces. Now think of the crap you have said to SP.
Oh come on Tex, take away the victim status and there's nothing left.
I am not being a victim, I am simply stating things the way things are. He does not like a lot of my stances, and he follows me around to command me on them. He even told me on a hub I had about how it is not good to move back home after college that there is something wrong with Americans for feeling that way. This hub was based on my personal experience, but he deigned to tell me I have a problem with my mindset, and I only feel that way because I am American. I have never come to his driving hubs and told him well he should not do this and that. There has been a lot of commanding on his part towards me.
There are certain women on here that could say any random thing and he would stick up for them. He even implied once I was not a lady. So he does not like me and the way I am, so be it. I feel I do not need to improve because I happen to like myself a lot. If he is going to stay the way he is, why should I have to change. This has been going on for years, and people have even emailed me before where he hurt their feelings. He makes no apologies, and I had not said anything about him personally. Basically he and tk want to prove to the world I am illogical and not rational. They both like to post things like that about me, which is disparaging. This is standing up for myself because he would not do this to many other women.
Fortunately you are completely irrational, so you are all set.
Your comment was a personal attack, not self defense.
Of COURSE, it is ALL based on political affiliation!
I must say, I have never met a retired lady just like you, ever.
Ever! They usually don't exist in nature, I don't think.
You're seeing a whole team of psychiatrists, aren't you?
Actually no it was not. However, I do consider your all getting together to defend someone who should let others be pack behavior.
And then some. Wolf pack of meanies...or, em, 'conservatives.'
Yeah it was. Calling someone a jerk is a personal attack. Just cuz you didn't like what Misha said you felt picked on. So? We all get picked on sometimes.
Actually telling someone they are acting like a jerk is a mild way to tell someone to lay off. I never allude to swear words and other personal swipes like some do here. I play clean and my conscience is clear. Anyway, you really should not be getting involved as I do see it is becoming more of a pack thing. He could apologize, but I would not demand it. I only would want a sincere person to think about how they treat people unfairly anyway.
So many people 'have it out for you' and are 'mean' and 'disrespect your dignity' and forget how smart and well educated you are. It must be hard to be so persecuted.
Sweetie, you definitely improved your conversation skills since we first met, but there is still some room for improvement, trust me
And no, I was not only after you, I like to tease Lita as well
I think you need to improve yourself immensely. As I said before I have always conducted myself well, and I often I have felt you have not. I am not living according to your standards, and you do have a track record here of irritating and upsetting a lot of people. I am definitely not a troll, and you do not get to single people out. You choose certain people you like and it is a random thing. At this point I really do not care what you think and I love myself and the way I communicate. I never follow you around and treat you the way you treat others!
WTF is that my take on racism you keep mentioning? Could you elaborate a bit, cause it does not really ring any bell?
Perhaps you have been on this forum too long then, and have been involved in too many threads... Hmmm. That scene with all the trolls...and you...attacking Laringo.
Pathetic, sad form. "Unbelievable."
Ah, that one. I thought I did post an american dictionary definition supporting my views, did you read it?
True! But you can only take so much of it before you need some air. My bf says those who watch it for real must have the intelligence of gnats...lol...actually he said it after that communist building segment you posted.
And they are killing journalism, no doubt about that. Been good for bellicosity, however, .
They are definitely killing journalism. I have been watching for or five minutes here or there just so I can see what some of these conservative pundits are talking about. However, I have to turn it after about five minutes because it is just way over the top. I loved the visual imagery during the health care speech with a picture of Obama in the bottom right hand corner, and then prime time push popping up right after it. They have headlines in red and many things are about ACORN.
Have you noticed how frequently you mention "bf"? A little strange. Are you afraid no one will believe you, or are you a pathologically dependent personality?
This is a personal attack TK. Other people on the hubs talk about their family all the time. Just because you would rather hang out with your computer than your wife does not mean you should attack others.
Just pointing out a rather conspicuous trend. And I wasn't talking to you. Don't worry, you'll get your turn.
I don't give a rip what YOU of all trolls thinks, TK. Fact is, he is a large part of my life, so it naturally comes out, I would imagine.
So! How about those 19 year old girl in TX, huh? Fantasy, I would imagine...like the other characters.
Uh-oh, American journalism is dead, only Lita and Sweetie Pie approved journalists still keep it barely alive
Why put it on us, Misha. Why don't you define what journalism is in this day and age? Particularly American journalism?
Love to hear your take, .
I don't feel educated enough for the task, sorry
Oh come on Misha - being from a communist country, you must know all about propaganda . . .
Yeah, but I lack the formal education in the field, so no luck
Ah, tooooo bad! But here you feel qualified to use snark to keep something alive, .
Well you know if we were certain people he would be all praisey praisey no matter what they were saying .
OK, I have some laundry to do, and then directly to bed, have a fun night guys
Yep, RK IS a Republican! He's just not an idiot Republican, Madame, imagine that, .
You are right Lita. I really meant to stay off this thread tonight. I have not finished any hubs at this rate lol.
I should just e-mail you...
Notice how they all disappeared now? Got bored...nothing to say. Sincerely is NOT about any issues. Food fights are only so much fun, even for this crowd.
Is there supposed to be some kind of political issue underneath here?
I am personally tired of the double standard politics-
Joe Wilson said 'you lie' on the congress floor during a speech by the president.
How is that any different or worse than Kerry calling Bush names or the democrats booing Bush during the state of the union address or Reid calling him a liar and a cheat?
If one is expected to apologize-they all should period.
Besides, Wilson apologized personally to the president. He does not need to apologize to congress or on the floor.
Thanks, it's a fresh one, taken just a couple of weeks ago. Yours looks pretty sad though, is it really you?
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