I see a trend on these forums;

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   manlypoetrymanposted 13 years ago

   Not going to say "yay" or "nay" to political actions...this is just an observation from glancing at a few posts this morning:
   
   In just a minute of reading 2 Political Forum postings I saw the dates 2010, 2012, and 2016?
   
   So...my question...is...obvious...What does that say about what is happening in the here and now...if all we can talk about is the future?
   
   (BTW: that reminds me...I never saw an answer about a car bumper sticker that said 01/21/13...or was ot 01/20/13...any takers on that one?)

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   Justine76posted 13 years ago

   maybe it means now is boring and people are impatient? or is this like one of those IQ find the pattern questions i allways get wrong?

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   rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

   I don't frequent the political forums so I dont really know what you refer to, but by many of the headings, it looks like many who do frequent those forums are always complaining anyway. who wants to live that way??? not me.    life is now, not yesterday or tomorrow.

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      dejajolieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I could not have said it better, I read the titles.... and I just decide to skip there is nothing in there I want to discuss

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   manlypoetrymanposted 13 years ago

   I think what ya'll both said are valid points...Life is now...and people are impatient with the now and look for the future for everything to change. But...What about now?

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      rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      well, very quickly, because I need to work... to me now is all we have, if we don't live now, working, enjoying our homes, our family, our friends, taking care of ourselves both physically and emotionally, spiritually, then what really is the satisfaction of life?
      
      if our minds are stuck in the future, which really isn't the future (all we ever have is this moment), we can't achieve in the present. my dad used to say, 'if you can change something, change it, otherwise forget about it and live your life.'
      o.k. manylypoetryman, I must go for now, but wanted to share my thoughts since you asked.

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         Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         now is all you ever have. use it wisely, live it to the fullest, it will soon become a great memory or a useless regret. either way, NOW is all youll ever get.

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            manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Wisdom...!

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         manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks...!

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   The Ropeposted 13 years ago

   I think it is a matter of people feeling as if they can't change today but can look to the future for changes - hopefully for the better.

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      manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well said...however...when the future gets here....will we then look to the future?
      
      "HHHMMM....the future...hard to see...it is!" Yoda
      
      

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   Jeryposted 13 years ago

   Yeah Manlyman, I think people want to try to persuade others to come on over to their way of thinking about an issue. A lot of people think their way of looking at something is the only way, while in reality that is seldom the case. I like to keep an open mind, and look at all the available info before making my mind up on an issue.

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      manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Jery...I think you just summized everything I was juz' re-thinking on this...at what point do you stop...and pick-up the ball...collectively as a team (granted that not everyone would be onboard with that)...and drive the damn thing down the field from where we are at...instead of wishing we were in the Red Zone!
      
      And one other "Dog gone" point to that...even the best of "teams" get driven back on the one yard line...think about it?

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   wrenfrost56posted 13 years ago

   It tells me that people like even numbers.

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      manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Funny stuff...maybe even a lil' truth to it...?

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         wrenfrost56posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah, maybe a little. On a more serious note though, I think people have been a pretty discruntled by the war and the recession and are trying to plan a better future.

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            manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Nothing wrong with that type of thinking...but i would emphasize that...if anyone is to do anything about it...it starts today!

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               wrenfrost56posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I absolutly agree with you on that point.

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   Madame Xposted 13 years ago

   By not looking at what happens now and what's going to happen as a result you get presidents like Obama - so those who are concerned with not letting any more of their rights and freedoms be legislated out from under them dissect everything they see.
   
   I can understand some not wanting to involve themselves in the forums - I frequently take a break myself, but I do find it fascinating, as do many others.
   
   1/20/12 refers to the day our next president is sworn in.

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      manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You win madame X...I saw that 01/20/13 in a Wal-Mart parking lot on a bumper sticker a month ago...and went "huh"..."OOOhh"...I think that is what started me on this trend of thinking about here and the now!
      
      
      Also...i do not mean to critique the political forums too badly...they are probably necessary to get a feel for where everyone's head is at. I was on one Political Forum for a year...and enjoyed it...It was even through the prez election! Yet...if I go back to it today...which I did...the same people are still saying the same things...and like "just using words" can often be...what has become of it???

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      dejajolieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      WHAT???? I tend to avoid those forums because it's usually filled wtih closed minded individuals who tend to have the biggest mouths... somebody should tell them just because you are the loudest, doesn't make you right!

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   Poppa Bluesposted 13 years ago

   What it says about here and now is that 1/2 of this country (USA) feels helpless about what is happening. We can't change the direction this country is heading and we are afraid that in the haste to make the changes we really want, to be free and more prosperous, we made an unwise choice. We see the destruction of this nation. A country headed towards bankruptcy, high inflation, high interest rates and high unemployment. We see a government that wants a larger role in providing for the "general welfare" of the people with the condition that the people submit to it's will while it confiscates our wealth. 2010, 2012, can't come fast enough!

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      manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ya' know...I hear ya', Poppa B. I also have the mentality of being fed-up for a lot of personal reasons...but in so hearing all these future dates being thrown around...I remember an election in 1976-1980-1988-1992-2000-2004...where all the same gosh darn B.S. was mentioned. And...so it was with that type of thinking that I posted my comment.

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         Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         You're right of course! Both parties have failed to do anything but enrich themselves at the expense of the people! There is a lot of talk about bipartisanship and if you ask me the problem isn't that there isn't enough compromise, it's that there is too much! Compromise of the values that the founders of this nation held dear is what's hurting the American people. We have become to apathetic and uninterested in what is going on in Washington and while we weren't paying attention, the politicians have been stealing from us!
         I believe they have our attention now! We're not going to stand any longer for the corruption and the lies! I will not sit back while my personal freedom is under attack by liberals with their socialistic and progressive agenda, and I don't think I'm alone in that. No offense to you democrats, but I think you need to go read your history books and while you're at it read the US Constitution!

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            manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Well communicated...as always...not surpizin' for someone who can play da' Blues!

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    Jonathan Jancoposted 13 years ago

    To even begin to suggest that our freedom and democracy begins and ends with electing our officials is to submit to their power and give up your own. Like Frank Zappa once said, "You'll be absolutely free . . . only if you want to be."

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       manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Dang...that says alot there! You look like a young person in that avatar...but there is much tried and true wisdom in what you just said. That is a powerful statement.

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          Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          True that! Frank Zappa was a genius!

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          Jonathan Jancoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Young, I suppose, but not as young as I used to be. Will be 36 next month, a time in my life I'm trying to appreciate at the suggestion of folks who have been here already.

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    Revive@OwnRiskposted 13 years ago

    Maybe people are having a hard time finding any fulfillment and joy in the present, and are projecting to the future by way of "the grass is greener in when..." or they are bent on doomsday prophecy and can't live in the present because we are going to hell.
    
    Either way, all we have is right now. Now is all there is. Even in 2012, it will be just now. It's a stream of consciousness from here to there that you can't get to without living in right now.
    
    My take is that I need to pull myself together and enjoy right now. Fix the crap in my life right now so I can figure out how to have a little peace and happiness now. The past no longer exists, and the future doesn't exist. It's just now, and that's all. Might as well make the best of now.

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       manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Ok..I'm going to stop commenting on everyone's post now...i juz' can't help it. It is Obviously...a topic i wanted to bring up...hence the fact that i did!
       
       With that i want to agree with Revive@OwnRisk and for sure all of that last paragraph here I put into the official Hub Forum "Quote" box...especially the part about: "Fix the crap in my life right now so I can figure out how to have a little peace and happiness now..."

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    manlypoetrymanposted 13 years ago

    Ok...dejajolie...just made me laugh with what she juz said...so now I'll be quiet for a little bit...Dejajolie: "Why is it always the loudest that think they are right?"
    
    I always wonder about that...myself!

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       dejajolieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Sad, but True......

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       Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Oh it's not just the loudest! The fact is nobody wants to be wrong and so will never admit to it!
       
       This I know, people were meant to be free. Anything that prevents people from being so is wrong.

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    Jeryposted 13 years ago

    Yeah the here and now is what's important. Worry about the future and regrets about the past are pretty much a waste of time, and that time your wasting would be the present of course! Live for the present, make sure the people you love know it, and be the best you can be every day.

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