Is donating to Christian orgs an obstruction of gay rights?
Is donating money to Christian groups that seek to build strong families the same as fighting against gay rights? Some say such giving makes the giver guilty of hating gays. If you give to a Christian org that helps strengthen the family, are you doing so out of hate for gays?
I would rather contribute my own time and money to those less fortunate...often times organizations waste your money on their own expenses and the underprivileged never see but a small percentage of your gift.
As for gay rights and the strong family argument...I've seen many gay people will very strong families, ties and relationships...so I don't see the battle here...Gay folk love family while many Christian families seem quite dysfunctional...that might be a dilemma...more than the concern about giving money to the right organization.
Women's shelters can always use money which generally goes straight to the abuse gender of what should be a strong family.
This lays to rest the age old question if you've stopped beating your wife or husband yet. Contribute to whomever you feel like and stop the left wing nonsense of telling anyone what they should or should not contribute to. Hypocrisy in action. They claim to be tolerant. I suppose they are as long as it is in line with their views of the world.
There is a difference between tolerance and accepting hate mongering, shall we be tolerant of donations to the KKK and Aryan nation too? Discrimination is wrong, it's not a view it's a rational fact and the ethical basis for this country.
Thank you, TFP! Yes, it seems the left is attributing bad motives to donators of Christian orgs in a wide-sweeping way.
We'll have to stop donating to the Sierra Club, then. It discriminates against electric power users. And to the Democratic Party, which discriminates against Republicans. And to .. Oh, forget it. We can't donate to anything, if that's the standard.
There are plenty of Christian orgs who concern themselves with actual issues rather that discriminating. There is a big difference is discrimination between ideas and discriminating againt personal choices and biology.
If they really wanted to build strong families they would advocate for tolerance, respect, and love for everyone, not just those who put their dingelings in the proper places. Gay people are always members of families, No? If they really wanted strong families then they would want marriage to be an option for all couples because of the value and meaning that is contained in such a commitment.
Of course, most do not want strong families. Most only want strong heterosexual families, and they might do things like couples' retreats and marriage counseling. I think these are fantastic. I wish they would extend it to all couples, but that's their business.
Unfortunately, for many of these organizations, part, if not all, of their 'strengthening the family' efforts are directed at attacking homosexuality and/or actively working to prevent same-sex marriage. Those that do are not generally very subtle about it. Whether you want to call that hate or not, I don't know (I do), but it can in no way be considered nice or respectful.
Most people who support gay rights do not automatically attack Christian people or organizations. They do, however, attack those that are obviously and clearly anti-gay. If and when a turd is a turd, then call it a turd.
junkseller, Not sure why Christians cannot advocate for strong heterosexual families, &gays advocate for strong gay families. Why must they cross into each other's domains of choice? Some Christians R attacked 4 being anti-gay when they really R
"Why must they cross into each other's domains of choice?"
A very good question, but then I don't know any gay organizations that are trying to make heterosexual marriages illegal. I will agree that people should be careful with their attacks.
As junkseller pointed out, there is nothing wrong with supporting strong heterosexual families so long as it's not to the exclusions of non hetero families, that would be as bad as an org calling for straight people to be banned from marriage.
junkseller and josak, not including homosexual families is, I agress as you junkseller said, "that's their business." Can you provide a source for your claim that many orgs actively work to prevent same-sex marriage? I'd like to look at it. Thanks!
My claim comes from individually researching specific organizations. Perhaps you could point to a pro-traditional family organization which DOESN'T work against same-sex marriage, because I honestly don't know a single one.
junkseller, so with no source from you for your claim that pro-traditional family orgs "work against same-sex marriage" or to make them "illegal" I take 'work against to refer to the push for the marriage amendment. Is this assumption correct?
It goes well beyond marriage amendments. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i … ard-liners
junkseller, You provide a very helpful reference here that shows specifically which organizations support hard line anti-gay agendas. I hope more respect is engedered for homosexuals, as people, so to diminish hate crimes against them.
Donating money to Christian organizations makes you guilty of donating money to Christian organizations. Just making donations to Christian organizations doesn't make you guilty of hating gays.
The media, IMO, focuses too heavily on the groups that call themselves Christian but openly hate and deride gays. There are Christians that accept homosexuality and there are Christians (the TRUE Christians, IMO) who are ashamed of the behavior of those who are openly hostile towards gays, but call themselves Christian.
People also equate the term "family values" with "marriage between one man and one woman" when they shouldn't. Good family values should focus on raising children to be good, kind, helpful, caring and hardworking citizens. Gay couples can impart that on children just as easily as heterosexual couples can.
Who you donate to depends on what you can support in good conscience. If a Christian group that works to strengthen the family also has an open hatred of gays, and also works to undermine them (particularly with hypocrisy and deception), then ask yourself if you can support that part of their agenda in good conscience. If you can, it's your choice. If you can't, well then find a different family-strengthening Christian group to donate to. But it's always a good idea to know EVERYTHING you'll be supporting if you donate to any group at all, not just Christian groups.
But simply donating money to a group doesn't mean what's in your mind and heart is identical to what's in theirs.
I should clarify a comment: the TRUE Christians are the ones without hate for specific groups in their hearts. I didn't intend to imply that Christians that accept gays aren't true Christians.
Eve, well said! We cannot just go by the Christian label, but must look into what all an organization and the individual is actively doing, and make our conclusions based on that.
Dear Ms Dee, I'm so sorry to say this, but this is definitely a loaded question. Why would one ASSUME that supporting gay rights is anti-Christian? It might be anti-evangelical or anti-old Testament, but from my understanding, Christ was nothing except open-minded, understanding of the human condition, and tolerant, except when it came to injustice!
The posed question has to do with does choosing to give to one type of org mean the giver hates those who are not a part of it. Agreed that Christ understands the needs of all people. (BTW, note: Rom 1:26-7; 1Cor 6:9-10 and 1Tim 1:9-11.)
with great respect, again, How are gays not part of the Christian community? If the question is "Does giving to an organization imply agreement with it's policies?" Yes! That's why buying diamonds mined by children is immoral.
Hi Billie, yes, giving to an org that actively hates gays means agreement with that activity. But, why is it assumed that any and every Christian org actively hates gays?
I'm totally with you on that last comment Ms Dee. I get your point now:) I'm a little slow on the uptake.
Look, if I'm supporting that wierd so called Baptist church out in Kansas that quote "hates fags", then it doesn't matter if that group also supports building strong families per scripture. In that case I'm clearly one who hates gays.
On the other hand, if I give to a Christian organization that believes the Bible is the word of God and by doing so accepts that homosexuality is sinful, that doesn't make me, the giver, a gay hater. It's that simple.
Of course not. Gays can donate to Christian organizations as well if they want to. Donating is free to all. There is always a need. Just because you are giving to an organization that promotes families doesn't mean you hate gays. My best friend's uncle is gay and I give to my church every week. Does that mean I hate him? Again, I say, of course not. The opposite is true. I love the man.
I'll say a word about being Christian, too. It means you love everyone, gay or otherwise. As a Christian, I am apposed to homosexuality. That doesn't mean I hate the homosexual.
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