Should illegal aliens be given path to citizenship?

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   alexandriaruthkposted 11 years ago

   Should illegal aliens be given path to citizenship?
   
   Some of them cross the border and others overstayed their visa. What is your opinion about this?

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   JThomp42posted 11 years ago

   They should only be allowed citizenship if they go through the proper channels. Crossing the border in the middle of the night is not the proper channel.

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      number2sonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      That is correct.

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   LandmarkWealthposted 11 years ago

   As a practical matter, although I have no interest in rewarding people for breaking the law, it is impossible to deport all the illegals in the US.  The problem is too far gone for that.  I would prefer to see those who have committed additonal crimes aggressively deported.  Any pathway needs to be in the back of the line behind those like my sister in-law who came here legally from Columbia.  But I have no interest in granting anyone...anything...until we secure our southern border. We have a serious problem with violence from drug cartels spilling in to US towns.  Additionally we have people sneak across the border to deliver a child and make them impossible to ever deport, while they drain an already drained social services system.   Considering that most Mexicans are fleeing Mexico because of the povery and violent drug cartels, then you would hope they would understand the rationale for protecting our safety and soverigenty from what they themselves are fearful of.   Once that is done, then we can talk about a practical way to make them all legal Americans. 
   
   The notion that we can't secure our own border is ridiculous.  If we can secure the DMZ for 50 years, we can do the same with our southern borders if we wanted to.  And if a similiar problem deveoped on the northern border, we could do the same as well.  The only reason we don't is politicians want new voters to give away things to and ensure their political future.

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   CrescentSkiesposted 11 years ago

   In my opinion, no. Illegal aliens getting a ticket into this country is an insult to all the people who arduously came here legally, followed all the rules, and worked hard for it. They're the ones who deserve to be a citizen.

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   number2sonposted 11 years ago

   I think that it should be made easier to become a citizen, and that should encourage people to do it the right way.  I agree with LandmarkWealth that there are way too many illegal immigrants to deport all of them.  The best thing to do is to make tighter border security, and make it easier to become a citizen, thus forcing them to do it the right way.

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   MissxCheekzposted 11 years ago

   I agree, only if they go through proper steps. Illegally, we lose money and jobs as a country. People fail to realize that these sort of things, as minor as they may seem to others, effect us as a country tremendously. The only way things can get easier, is if as a country we get better. More people should look at the whole picture and not just one thing.

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   Writer Davidposted 11 years ago

   What is never discussed, when it comes to illegals, is the inordinate amount of burden placed on social services (medicaid, SS, food stamps, etc).  They pay no taxes (contrary to their apologists) and are largely illiterate.  The majority have little to no education.  So, any low-skilled jobs that Americans had ordinarily done would be gone.  I refuse to accept that illegals only do jobs Americans won't do.  It is nonsense (Hormel Company in Nebraska is one example as Americans lined around the company after ICE arrested numerous illegals).  They should not be given a path to citizenship.  It is an insult to the people who waited for years and did things the right way.  I also do not accept you can't deport 12 million illegals.  Take away the jobs magnet, the free social services and they will leave.
   
   We can not take care of the indigent of the world.  We can't even take care of ourselves any longer.

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   Jmiller17posted 11 years ago

   Personally, i don't believe we should reward illegals. They have already shown a disregard for our laws by being in this country illegally. I think they  should be deported. However, realistically, we will never have the logistics to locate and deport them all. I think giving them a path to legalization (note, different from citizenship) that involves a long term work visa, along with paying fines is the way to go. That way they are registered and documented and we know who they are and where they are. I just completed a hub over this issue for those looking for a much longer answer to our immigration problems.

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   junksellerposted 11 years ago

   Forget about the path and just give them citizenship. When we stop treating them as invaders we will find that they are a valuable contribution to the country. If we want to deport people, I say we start with bigots and racists.

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      number2sonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I don't like the idea of deportation.  They do improve small business, because they work for so cheap, but they still should be forced to do it the right way.  That's how I see it, you can check out my first comment, to see my opinion on the matter.

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      JThomp42posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Tell that the farmers families and border patrol's families who have lost their lives to this epidemic of illegal aliens crossing the border with drugs. I'm sure they want to be contributing members of society. Oh wait, they already are, drugs.

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      Writer Davidposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      And we need to deport fools and traitors right along with these illegals for being blind as bats.  Illegals take advantage, they see something free and they go for it.  I would rather focus on the 23 million unmeployed Americans and LEGAL residents.

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      Jmiller17posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Its not that they don't contribute, its the fact they have shown a complete disregard to our laws by coming over illegally. Also, a lot of them do not want citizenship, they just want to earn money so they can send it back home.

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      number2sonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      They aren't involved in as much criminal activity as you might think.  The amount of illegal Mexican immigrants that there are in this country is almost unfathomable.  You see them all the time working for landscapers, renovators, contractors, etc.

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      JThomp42posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      We just went through the greatest recession since the great depression and you want to deport your fellow Americans because they cannot find a job? What about disabled veterans who need all of these entitlements to live?

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      number2sonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      They seem to think that coming illegally is the fastest and easiest way to come over.  We need to make it easier to become a citizen, and harder to come over illegally.  No matter what action we take, we can't deport them all.  It doesn't make sense.

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      LandmarkWealthposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Deport bigots and racist...Interesting thought, how will we measure that?  Since 95% of Blacks voted for Obama, a far higher percentage than whites voting for Romney, shall we conclude racial predjudice was a factor?  How easy it is to scream racism

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      number2sonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It is very easy for people to vote for someone of their own race.  What takes some character, is to do what a lot of the white people did, in voting for Obama.  Sure, that might not have been a good decision, with what he has done in office.

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       LandmarkWealthposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The point is clearly that such suggestions of determing who is racist is arbitrary and facist like.  I see such a voting skew as clearly racially biased with such a statistical skew.  While he may not.   Making his thought upsurd in a free nation.

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       junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I was being intentionally prickish to make the point that deporting human beings is just plain mean. I wouldn't deport anyone. As for violence, that's a separate issue: drugs. Could solve overnight with legalization.

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       number2sonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, you can solve a lot of the drug problem by being stricter on it.  You can't deport people.  Not only is it mean, but we're not a third world country, we're America, and supposed to be a role model for the world.

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       LandmarkWealthposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       There is nothing mean about deporting people who intentionally violate the law. It is just simply not practical to do it.  There will never be the man power to pull it off without instituting a total policed state.

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       junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       In terms of morality and law-breaking, I'll take a person crossing the border to provide for their family over someone who smacks their spouse occasionally or drives while intoxicated. Even so, I see no reason to treat anyone like cattle.

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       LandmarkWealthposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I don't disagree...But without a border that is enforced we have only chaos and a lack of sovereignty. There is then no point to maintain a separate nation. Not to mention the potential for terrorist to use the lack of border security against us.

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       Jmiller17posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Deporting someone is not mean It a punishment for breaking the law. Just like throwing other criminals in jail is not mean, it a punishment. It doesn't make sense to use our money to provide for the illegals by putting them in jail, so we deport them

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       LandmarkWealthposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The problem is neither is economically feasible.  We can secure the border to stop the unregulated influx in the future.  But we can't round up millions of people.  There just isn't the man power.

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       number2sonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       That's why my solution makes sense.

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    thecatgalleryposted 11 years ago

    It depends on what planet they're from, how well they're dressed (Orion residents have star-studded belts), do they have a fancy space ship that can do all kinds of entertaining aeronautics, and do they have some beautiful beads of unusual gems for bribing the right officials?

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       number2sonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe the bribing officials part.

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