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   sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago

   Well if they're going to play the moral card we'll need a Porta-pot.

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      Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      What's wrong?
      
      Don't like morals?

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         sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Well if you have morals they're obviously something in the eye of the beholder.

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            Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Believe it or not, you're wrong. They are absolutes in life.

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               sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Don't be silly, morals are for conservatives!

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   Chopsticksposted 15 years ago

   I have never known a woman who has had to go through abortion "lightly".  There is no "right" or "wrong" in this life. It either works or it doesn't work for you.

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      tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      But is that how we make laws?

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   Colebabieposted 15 years ago

   <--- Not a "conservative"
   And guess what... I have morals! Sneako I'll keep calling you out on it if you want.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You better be hitting them books woman! I know you will but thats the way I like it.

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         Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I'm done with my semester thanks.

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            sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            No finals!?

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               Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Last week. I'm all done.

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                  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Well good for you! My son has his this week and finishes on Wednesday.

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                     Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Thank you. I have a feeling I will never quite understand you. I'm not sure if I'm ok with that.

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                        sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Cole I really am that goofey! If you could figure out who my son is you could ask him, he made me promise not to tell.

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                           Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           But it isn't goofiness that confuses me.

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                              Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              

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                              sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              Well I'm not gay! Don't think that hard about it, I really am  pretty simple guy. I have things I do and things I don't do. I won't rehash old news I'd rather just let the other person think they won.

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                                 Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                 But you don't. Let the other person think they won, I mean. I guess I won't ever understand you. I wish I could. But as long as you're happy I guess thats all that matters.

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   habeeposted 15 years ago

   But we are not free to do as we wish with out own bodies. Laws frequently tell us what we can do, even when no one else is involved. We can't take illicit drugs legally. We can't gamble legally in some locales. We can't have a glass of wine in a restaurant on a Sunday in parts of the U.S. It's still considered illegal as part of "common law" to commit suicide in some states.
   
   Late term abortions are murder - period. There are lots of veterinarians who won't even spay a female animal with a late term pregnancy. How could a legitimate doctor perform such a procedure on a human being?

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   tksenseiposted 15 years ago

   Thought I heard something about a very serious drought this year.

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      Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      We have a very serious drought every year.

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         Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Of course, I'm not an expert on the climate.
         
         You probably know more about it than me... <insert obligatory sarcasm for the humour challenged>

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   Vicki99posted 15 years ago

   LIFE begins with conception. Life is not in the breath, it is in the blood. Otherwise all those people in iron lungs are dead. Never mind that they talk, eat, read, love... they can't breath alone so they must be dead.
   
   To say that having an abortion is acceptable if a women does not WANT a child is terrible. How about if we don't want our grandparents or teenagers? Are we going to eventually come up with some type of "abortion" for that too?? Scares me to try and imagine where this will eventually end.

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      Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Assisted suicide?  I am in favor of that.

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         Vicki99posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Actually, you cannot liken abortion to assisted suicide... since the baby is not commiting suicide, but being killed. Two very different animals.

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            Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Actually, they are NOT two different animals. They are both life forms. One who is not born yet(meaning doesn't exist yet) and One already exists and has lived. Either way, you are ending a life-form's existence.
            
            You can separate the two by creating a difference, but when it boils down to the end of the day- it's a human life-form or organism.
            
            Abortion- this as I have said in other previous posts, either shouldn't exist or is given full discretion to the mother, because it is her right of choice. And, shouldn't be bothered or hassled by other people and their ideals of a perfect society.
            
            Society will NEVER be perfect and once people realize this, they will start living their life and worrying about their own life, than sticking their nose into other people's lives.
            
            STOP creating separation and get over yourself. The RIGHT OF CHOICE is not yours. This topic is sad.
            
            To begin with- Fetus or Child? A fetus is an unborn child. There is NO difference. But, that being said- the developmental stages a fetus goes through, before it can sustain it's own existence is roughly about 7 months in. Thus, it becomes a fetus. Until such time that the developmental stages are complete, up to 7months, abortion is an option for the mother.
            
            Beyond 7 months, in some states, it's a crime. The abortion issue- really shouldn't be an issue. It's business' influence and the mob's agenda, to impose their own will OVER someone else. It isn't to be allowed!

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               tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               So, if a woman is about to give birth a minute later, the baby moving around and kicking and gettting ready to go doesn't "exist" but one minute later it does? That makes sense to you?

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                  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Again, you twist things to make it look like your the good person here and you're not!
                  
                  Nice try though. It would be better if you actually READ the damn post before running your mouth.

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                     tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Could you just answer the question?

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                        Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Your question has no basis. Since you didn't read my damn post. SO, with that I bid you good bye.

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                  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Appeal to the absurd.  Fallacy.

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                     tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     If you feel it's absurd, take it up with the source.

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                        Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        You, the source.
                        
                        So, if a woman is about to give birth a minute later, the baby moving around and kicking and gettting ready to go doesn't "exist" but one minute later it does? That makes sense to you?
                        
                        You assert, as above, poorly disguised as a question, loaded with an absurd argument.  Just the facts of logic.  You have a BA. Philosophy right?  You should know this.

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                           tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           Not at all. I was attempting to clarify the rather odd position that someone else had taken. Maybe in your excitement to take a personal shot at me you didn't read enough to understand the context. Go back and read again. (I'll even give you a hint to help you along: start at page 13)

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                              Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              Maybe in your excitement you forget to quote correctly.  As per usual.

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                                 tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                 Not at all. Try reading a bit more before commenting and you won't have to be embarrassed like this.

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                                    Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                    No need.

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                  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Page 14.
                  
                  Shame yourself further if you wish.

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                     tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Thanks for showing exactly how I quoted the source and then sought clarification. Not sure why this confused you so much. Maybe you need to go back even further and see that the discussion (this whole thread, really) was looking at a child in the womb vs out. That much at least I would have thought obvious. You were aware of the topic of the thread, right?

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                        Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, I am fully aware of the thread.  My point stands unchallenged.

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                           tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           *sigh* Last try:
                           
                           What 'point' would that be?

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   awareposted 15 years ago

   are single celled organisms alive?

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   Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

   Have I even told you my views on abortion?
   
   Personally I would never have one, but I am not going to tell anyone else what they can and cannot do with something that is growing in their own body.
   
   Many people seem more concerned about unborn children than about helping the children who are already here and living in poverty.

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      tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The two are not mutually exclusive.

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         Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Well, I believe that those are already born take precedence over those yet to be born.

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            tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            And I believe that is an utterly inhuman attitude. Do you value the life of an older child more than a younger one?

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               Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               You place value only on things for which have monetary value. You DO NOT put value on a human life.

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                  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  well said.

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                  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  And you base that absurd and offensive accusation on what?

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                     Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     An absurd and offensive accusation on what? Are you DEAF?
                     
                     First off- I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I simply state that YOU do not put a 'value' on a human life. And, if you do, then YOU are morally wrong.
                     
                     There is NO COST related to a human life. Got it? I hope so.

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               AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               It would be inhuman if that poster didn't care about either, but in the real world you sometimes have to make hard choices -- that does not mean I agree with Uninvited Writer (necessarily), but the word "inhuman" is over the top here, now, come on...

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               Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Read my lips...born vs unborn...
               
               Please hold your personal insults at bay...

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                  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Let me know when you see a personal insult from me. In the meantime, could you answer my question?

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                     Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Your question is irrelevant to the discussion...

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                        tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        It is exactly relevant.

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         AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         The two are not mutually exclusive, but it does often seem that there is an emphasis on abortion issues over the very real problems of worldwide child poverty... maybe that isn't true, but it definitely *seems* that way, at least, you have to admit

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            tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            No, I do not have to admit, nor do I agree.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You know it's not right so stand up for the truth. We all need to help the children but we have to get to the source of the problems not just throw money around and kill babies.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

   No it isn't. I was talking about unborn vs born.

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      tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      One is older than the other, right?

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         zzronposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         They are both still alive.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

    But they have both been born....

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    tksenseiposted 15 years ago

    Oh, you don't understand what the word 'value' means. Now I see.

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    megs78posted 15 years ago

    Now heres a question for you all...how many of you have actually had to face abortion?  I think the people speaking the loudest here possibly have no idea how they would react under certain circumstances relating to abortion.
    
    Having said that, and I certainly don't want to take away the rights of women, but I honestly believe that women are mistaken when they think abortion will solve all their problems.  Abortion has a long lasting impact on the soul and long term consequences stemming from guilt.  Especially for those who go on to have children later in life.
    
    how many of you have seen a beating heart on an ultrasound at 7 weeks pregnant?  If you have, you know that there is a real little person growing inside of you, and most of you felt the emotion and shed tears of joy and incredulity at hearing the tiny, but steady heartbeat on the monitor.  NO way could you dispute that this is a child, not just a fetus, growing inside of you.
    
    Look, i won't, I can't judge those who have gone through abortion, but what I'm trying to get across here is that it will stay with you for the rest of your life and will hurt you.  There is no easy answer, but abortion, though effective at getting you out of some immediate trouble, goes on to wreak havoc in your life, whether it be through guilt, depression, etc.

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       sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Are there any more like you around?

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    Frugal Fannyposted 15 years ago

    What if allowing a pregnancy to continue endangers either the mother or the developing child in some possibly fatal way? What then?

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       cheaptrickposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You bring up a good point frugal.Only fanatics see this question as black or white.Reasonable people realize that a case by case evaluation is the only way to view this.
       
       This is to you Cagsil, PLEASE!,try not to judge the speaker.An emphatic reply is great but attacking the speaker is bad form,don't you think?

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    Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago

    how about we just sterilise half the population

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    Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago

    Maybe I was wrong?  The only other possibility is that you are just unaware of logic and are just bothering people for the sake of it, the words don't matter to do?

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    Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago

    Take your own advice.  I have said what I wanted to say.  If you are incapable of understanding plain english, that is your problem, not mine.

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       "English"
       
       
       I don't blame you for bailing out now. It wasn't going well for you.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago

    small things amuse small minds

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