The Right to Abortion vs The Reality of Abortion
Sorry for interrupting the discussion. I understand we're not talking about Islam here, but it doesn't really matter because Christianity and Islam are quite similar in many respects. Above all, because both religions are Abrahamic, I consider Christians to be my holy brothers and sisters .
So because the world has now transformed into a global village, possibly different perspectives can be heard and appreciated.
According to Islam, the soul enters the body of the fetus during the fourth month of pregnancy. (While the fetus is still in the mother's womb.) The following is the rule on abortion in Islamic law (Shari'ah):
Abortion is classified into two stages:
a) Abortion after the soul (Ruh) enters the body of fetus
b) Abortion before to the soul's entrance into the fetus
Before discussing the abortion judgment with relation to these two stages, it should be noted that the soul (Ruh) enters the fetus at the 120 day (4 months) from conception, according to Shari'ah.
In the verse Allah states the stages of development of the embryo in the womb of the mother. Allah Almighty says:
“ And indeed, We created humankind from an extract of clay, then placed each ˹human˺ as a sperm-drop in a secure place, then We developed the drop into a clinging clot ˹of blood˺, then developed the clot into a lump ˹of flesh˺, then developed the lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, then We brought it into being as a new creation (by breathing life into it, i.e. soul)So Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators. (Surah al-Mu’minun, 12/13/14).
The ruling on abortion at stage ,when the soul enters the fetus, which is 120 days, is clearly illegal and equates to murder because it ends up taking an innocent life. All of the Islamic scholars have uniformly denounced such horrible act.
Some contemporary scholars have given a dispensation to abort the pregnancy after 120 days, in the situation where the life of the mother is in certain and absolute danger. This is based on the Juristic principle stated in the books of Usul al-Fiqh (laws of Fiqh):
“If one is overtaken by two evils, one should choose the lesser of the two” (al-Ashbah wa al-Naza’ir, P.98)
https://zawaj.com/articles/abortion_permitted_when.htmlThank you so much, Tim
I enjoyed reading your thoughts on this topic and thnx for sharing the link. Yes, I agree with you. Life is complex, “or” maybe, we, as humans, like to live it that way.
If a fetus can move in his mother's womb, I assume he is already alive; I have never seen a lifeless person moving (just my thoughts on how I feel)
I see atheists as lifelong researchers who seek truth and accept and listen to anything with an open mind.
….. And also I am not against of any religion because I feel they are all deeply rooted somewhere in the same place, simply separated by time and development. (Just my thoughts)
In the end, I believe that the majority always wins, but it does not imply that the majority is always right. Sometimes we all just want to benefit ourselves, and breaking the laws, lying, and wrongdoings are some of the worst things we consider to be beneficial; but, such things do not last forever.
So, in the end, I believe it can take a loooooonnnnnggggg time, but goodness always wins.
It is always a pleasure to engage in discussion with you.
Stay blessed!
Thank you very much, Miss Doris. I suppose in most cases when individuals desire to conduct such an act as abortion are where the pregnancy is unplanned, thus one should be careful what they do. (Excluding the rape cases) If a mother conceived by mistake and is dissatisfied, she will seek for an abortion, but I feel that killing an innocent life to cover up one's mistake is a horrible idea and an immoral act.
How can religion be left out when there are believers? You can't remove the phrase 'In God We Trust' off the dollar bill and coins and expect this issue to be handled without including religion; I don't think it's possible.
By the way, according to Islamic law, it is permissible to abort a fetus after 120 days if the mother's life is in certain and extreme danger. (In my opinion, no religion is cruel enough to suggest or demand that a mother give birth to a baby when her own life is in danger.)
Lots of Love and Blessings to you as always!
My bank teller, a guy in his mid twenties is helping his girlfriend take care of their baby. I assumed they were married as he chatted about the struggles of being a new parent. However, I eventually learned that, no, he is not getting along with the mother very well and he may have to leave her.
My dog groomer, 26 yrs, very pregnant, chatted with me about her situation. She told me this would be baby 2 and that her mother takes care of child 1, (a two year old) while she works. She told me she has cut off the boyfriend from sex. She explained she did not believe in abortion. Then she said, "He wants to marry me, but I don't think he is mature enough. He partys too much."
I said, "He might change once he has committed himself to you and the children!"
"I cannot trust him to change," she said flatly.
I insisted, "You will need his help! You should agree to marry him and give him a chance since he is willing!"
She said, "He better help me!"
But if she has cut him off from the love potion, he may drift away from her and the children.
- very sad, if you ask me.
We could all go on and on with similar modern day anecdotes, I am sure.
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