Obama's wars for oil, is this just the latest?

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   retief2000posted 10 years ago

   Obama's wars for oil, is this just the latest?
   
   Libya, Yemen and now Iraq/Syria - is this just the latest war for oil that Obama is waging? Libyan oil supplies Italy and France, the war there was to protect that flow. Obama destroyed Qaddafi just to replace him with something worse. Is Syria next and then what happens in Iraq when ISIS can turn its back on the the Syrian part of its name. ISIS are ready has millions from pilfered oil.

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   Old Poolmanposted 10 years ago

   These oil wars are driven by big business.  Big business means votes and huge campaign contributions to the politicians in office at the time, regardless of party.
   
   Almost every politician in office gets his or her marching orders from big business, especially the oil business.  What we peasants want is hardly even considered by our elected representatives.
   
   The Keystone pipeline Obama refuses to approve is due to his good buddy who currently hauls all the Canadian oil on his railroad. If the pipeline was built the railroad would no longer be needed.
   
   It is all just one big circus act after another trying to make us think they give a damn what we think or want.

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The keystone pipeline is a disaster for the environment....the R's only want it for THEIR buds. And I'm confused...aren't you a Bush supporter. Since when anti-business. I thought that was un-American. It used to be. Vehemently so!

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LMC - Bush is history and you need to let it go.  Why is the keystone pipeline worse for the environment than any of the hundreds of other pipeline that have been there for years?

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Pipelines are safer than any other means of transporting the oil that you require just to eat and hate Republicans through your computer.

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      As much as you hate Obama and Muslims, my dear.

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LMC - Many actually believe the Keystone pipeline is the first one to ever be built in our country.  In truth there are hundreds of pipelines crossing this country that have been there for many years without incident.  Pipeline maps are available.

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Can you tell me who will benefit from it, and who will be hurt.

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I don't hate either. I just KNOW that the country will be better served when BHO is out of office and humanity better served when Islam emerges into the 21st,20th,19th,18th or even 17th Century rather than wallow in its hatred for everything Infidel

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I don't hate either.....doesn't stop you all from saying it all the time. But it's ok for you to accuse--and worse, to say I hate America. That's what people get who disagree w neo-cons.

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LMC - Who would benefit?  Hundreds of workers with $20 per hour jobs, less dependence on middle east oil, and possibly lower gas prices at the pump.  Who would be hurt?  I have no idea why this pipeline would hurt anyone.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       "People are dying women are having miscarriages and the people cannot farm or even find clean drinking water." 50 full time jobs or less: Forbes
       Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_0 … line-1298/

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       Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       You make a final decision based on the info on one website?  Much of what you say is incorrect and the rest is still being tested.  50 people can't build a pipeline so there would be at least a couple years of high paying jobs for the contruction.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       50 full time, year round jos...Forbes actually said 20! Just to maintain it. And I offered a link...isn't that what people do. The Indians are protesting Keystone....that's enough for me. I MUCH rather trust them, than KOCH and Boehner,or any oilyman

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       Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       You have formed an opinion that nobody could change even with solid research and facts.  If thinking like you do makes you happy and feeling better just stick with it.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       OH of course, because YOUR facts are better than mine. Facts depend on where you get em. People dying and miscarriaging so we can send oil to China...no thanks. Wind farms create jobs too. Who opposes them. Solar energy creates jobs. Who opposes.FACT

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       retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Wind and solar destroy jobs, why, because they are not a reliable,continuous or dense enough power source to drive an industrial economy. Eliminating oil merely means freezing and starving in darkness, There is, as of yet, NO substitute for oil.

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       Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       LMC -  I would seem you are operating with much misinformation.  Facts are not like Fairy Tales where one can just pick out the one's they like.  I would bet you use electricity and gasoline in your personal life.  Try living without those for awhile

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       retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Or better yet, try to live without all the things in your life brought to you through the uses of oil and subsist just on those brought to you through the use of renewable resources. Freeze,alone,naked,hungry,in the wide open,in the dark.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Denmark an Iceland do well w renewables. China will be next.We are stuck in limbo due to the stranglehold of fossil fuel fiends. And once they get their claws in renewables, they'll ruin it too! Slimy greed-balls. Slick as that Texas Tea.

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       retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       The delusion of the all powerful "renewable" - tiny population and massive geothermal activity=Iceland.Pretend elimination of OIL in Denmark, fishing fleets no longer run on sails.OIL is a revolutionary product not replaced so easily with windmills.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Oil is dirty and belongs in the ground. Have you seen the results of an oil spill. Damage for decades. And it will be replaced once the money-men decide to go there. Then they will ruin renewables. They ruin everything they touch. Hence:USA plight.

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       Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       LMC - As others have pointed out to you alternative energy sources are not yet at the stage of development where we can eliminate the need for oil.  Until that happens we are stuck with that oil you hate so much or just go live in a cave somewhere.

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       retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       LMC, have you eliminated from your life everything provided through the use of OIL, if not than why not. If OIL is so vile why do you insist on using it and continuing to pollute the world.

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       Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I'm also confused on how a pipe buried in the ground can cause all the problems you describe.  I believe you have pipelines confused with fracking for oil.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Trust me, if I was wealthy--I'd have my own turbine. As it is, the bank has turned me down on a loan for a lousy pellet stove. I was born into this matrix...I do what I can: recycle, speak up, vote. My town using more solar...another windfarm coming

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       Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I never heard of banks financing pellet stoves, but I guess they do.  How about the store that sells them?  Pellet stoves are not cheap or free to operate.  The pellets can cost quite a bit depending on how many you buy.  Good choice for heat though.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Yes--I was hoping they'd give me a loan, so I could buy one. We use propane, and it's costing a fortune. Electricity is going up to 13 cents a kilowatt hour....if only Tesla's ideas had not been hi-jacked and buried. Free energy from the electric air

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       Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       You would love the pellet stove if you can get one.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Really....I'm making it a goal, then!  Just need save save save.

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       Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I don't know were you live but you might check on the availability and cost of the pellets before you buy the stove.  I would guess it would be cheaper than propane but you could easily figure that out.

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       retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Sounds like you are full of excuses for not getting off non-renewables - like propane.Electricity is going up per Obama campaign promise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4
       Enjoy the ashy taste of Obama's victory.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Oh, I would have loved to have that windfarm here...but who was it stopped it w his money...oh yeah, KOCH. Excuses nothing. I voted for Obama because of it. And who is it stopped him...oh yeah, TPUBLICANS. I'm all for it--but don't hold the cards. $$

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       retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Wrong
       http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-1 … g-deadline
       
       http://www.bgdailynews.com/opinion/comm … 090e9.html

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Oh yes--Kennedy's opposed it too. But Koch money was behind Save the Sound. And his money threw law suit after law suit at an independent business man wanting to start a maverick business: 1st windfarm on N. East Coast.Used gvt to stop business:PHONY

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   Zelkiiroposted 10 years ago

   And if we'd just focus our attention on renewable energy, we wouldn't be in a situation where we go to war for our energy source, now would we?

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      How much oil does the US get from Iraq, before-during-after the war? If we were to go to war for oil we would invade Canada.How much renewable energy does a wind mill make when the wind doesn't blow? How much oil does it take to make & transport

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      But your question states that Obama is warring for oil! Is it just Obama, and not Bush. I think that's it.....You think Bush was justified, but Obama doing it for oil! HA. Talk about partisan.

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LMC - Please try leaving Bush out of at least one of  your arguments and you will get further.  You let your hatred for Bush cloud your judgement.  I personally dislike all politicians equally regardless of party affiliation.

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      We are talking about war for oil, and you want me to leave Bush out of it. We are suffering the consequences of it, so no. I know you would love to let him off the hook, but we cannot let that happen. Because--people want another Bush in that office.

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LMC -  This may come as a shock but Bush is no longer involved in what is happening today.  We can find fault with many past presidents including Bush, but we need to deal with current events, not history.

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. The past must be faced, and they must face justice. Or it will go on and on and on. If you think he's not involved today, think again. Who appointed justices that made SC 5/4 RW majority?

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      History should serve as a lesson learned, but it can't be changed.  Living in the past does nothing to make the present a better place to live.  You really need to let it go and deal with what is happening now.

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Riiiiight. That's why any time Ted Kennedy is mentioned, what follows? "Chapaquiddick". Do you know what a "Lewinsky" is? Do all Dems have to live down Clintons fou-pa? Get real. Bush was 2000-2008. Not ancient history. And not accounted for either.

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LMC - Can you change any of that?  No, it is impossible to un-ring a bell.  If you're more comfortable with living in the past then I suggest you stay there.  I am more concerned with the present and the future so I will stay there.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       As if one has nothing to do with the other? Come on.....it's all connected. And that is WHY people want us to "just forget, and move on". That way--they can do it again and again in a different package.

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       Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       As I said before, history should be a lesson learned, but nothing we can do will change history.  We have all made mistakes we wish we hadn't made, but we can't go back in time.  Hopefully we learned something and will not repeat that same mistake.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       These are far more than "mistakes". Hope I don't see you on the Impeach Obama bandwagon any-time soon....won't hold my breath, tho.

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       Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I don't recall even mentioning Obama.  I told you I dislike all politicians equally.  Obama has a nearly impossible job in today's world.  While I don't always agree with him he is our President.  I would not want his job.;

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       The question is ABOUT Obama going to war for oil! And you said:"The Keystone pipeline Obama refuses to approve is due to his good buddy" But if I bring up Bush, it's "get over it".If Bush had been prosecuted,OK-I can see your point.Until then: I yell

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       retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       What was GWB's war for oil? Iraq, seriously? We get nearly zero barrels from Iraq. We didn't even get one tanker full after MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.I guess BHO is just so much better at MURDERING Muslims for oil than GWB ever was.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Remember you said that. When the subject of murdering leaders comes up. Petro-dollar ring a bell http://rt.com/news/iran-attack-us-allegations-243/ or do you still believe wmd's.

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   lovemychrisposted 10 years ago

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Good video but it doesn't prove anything we didn't already know.  Big business owns our governenment, especially when it come to oil.  Our government does all they can to make us dependent of foreign oil.  Until that changes it will always be that.

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Okayyyyy--so where was everybody the past 30yrs--I heard nothing but condemnation if I criticized BigBis.From the right wing.....did you all suddenly wake up, or what

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LMC - I still believe in big business as they provide most of the available jobs today that still pay well.  My problem is with the politicians who sell out to big business, and many do.

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      So you have no problem with company CEOs who make billions, avoid taxes, while paying dirt wages.Pollute,unsafe working conditions, and destroying mom and pop economy.It's all the fault of gvt.Personal responsibility applies here-since corpsarepeople

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LMC - That is a liberal rant and nothing more.  Back it up with some solid facts and we could have a discussion.  Nobody is forced to work for these companies or to buy their products.

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      And business is not forced to give bribes to politicians. Which pols have sold out to big biz? Facts, please. And not partisan.

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      GE is one corporation who through lobbyists was able to buy huge tax breaks that only works for them.  I'll gladly trade facts with you anytime you choose to use some facts.  Why don't you write a hub where this can be discussed?

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      No more hubs for me. I don't appreciate the way I'm treated here. Only stay to help express the minority view (not racial-political). And to read the lovely ones who share it.

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      There is a reason why it is a minority view - because it is wrong. Why do you think flatter earthers are so rare?

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Flat Earthers were the majority until proven wrong. Same applies here. Majority is wrong, because they swallow bulls*** whole.

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       Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       LMC - Can you please describe or explain the "minority view" you mentioned?

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       9-11 was CIA-Mossad. ISIS is CIA-Mossad.The real terrorism is RW fascism.“Certain intelligence agencies have put blades in the hand of madmen, who now spare no one,” Mr. Rouhani told the United Nations  General Assembly. --We are the bad guy.

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       retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Why do you still live here.Remember aluminum hats are recyclable.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Why do YOU. Seems your loyalty lies elsewhere.

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       retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       ALL of my loyalty is here,we have 300 years worth of OIL,natural gas and COAL-the only barrier to acquiring them is silly lefties, especially in government.We used to be a net exporter of oil, back when we were a free people.

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       Dan W Millerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Lovemychris, this guy retief doesn't even write hubs. He has none. He lacks knowledge in any broad ranging subject because he has blinders on. He's just a troll on this site causing trouble and throwing negative propaganda around to find some other s

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       retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       WOW, show me your badge.Site your sources since you want to stamp yourself with some imprimatur of brilliant objectivity.Publishing a Hub does not stop one from being a Troll, apparently.If challenging the sacred lies held by lefties is wrong....

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       It's odd Dan. There are a LOT of them here. They gang up and get rid of people, then wallow in the glow.

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   Genna Eastposted 10 years ago

   I agree with Zelkiiro’s comment.  The reasons for our protracted presence in the Middle East are twofold:  Israel and oil.  This nation has been dependent on foreign oil for far too long…long before Obama ever took office.  The same is true of big business, their lobbying interests, and controls throughout the world…if they were to shut their doors tomorrow, the world would starve.  And that includes the financial services industry which has been “too big to fail” for well over a decade.  Compared to countries like Denmark that have worked tirelessly to become energy independent, the US lags far behind and has done so for a long time.   There is no excuse for this…a nation that is supposedly a leader in the global community and the free world.

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The evil "foreign oil" consumed by the United States is Canada. We get nearly as much oil from Nigeria as from the Middle East. The problem with the Middle East is its abiding hatred for anything not Muslim and that dates back to the 7th century.

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      Genna Eastposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Canada is first; but Saudi Arabia is second.  And it doesn’t change this country’s dependence of foreign oil.  As well as the power of big business.  That was the point of my comment…it had nothing to do with attacking the Muslims.

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Mexico/Venezuela are second, then Nigeria, then the Middle East.Denmark is smaller than Indiana. It relies on North Sea Oil from civilized countries. Easy for a tiny country to do anything. Try to wrangle 325 million cats without killing a few.

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      Genna Eastposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      With our creative ingenuity and technology?  Size makes no difference…the usage of BTU’s per dollar of GDP is the measure.  The reason we lag so far behind is because of big business and their influence inside the Beltway, and has been for decades.

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Business would have little interest in government if government wasn't so involved in deciding which business win and which lose.

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      Genna Eastposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Lol. The decisions are made at the behest , power and influence of big business. That’s what lobbyists do, and others who turn the wheel inside the Beltway.  The repeal of Glass-Steagall was an excellent example.  Take care.  :-)

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      If the government sets its sights on an unfavored business, what is to stop that destruction.Coal, for example, produces 80% of the energy in my home state, but the government wants it destroyed as an industry. Government is still the instrument.

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      Genna Eastposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I just read your profile.  You don’t publish hubs, but Q&A forums to attack/admonish left-leaning individuals.  I don’t want to get in the middle of your crusade.   This is my last comment.  Take care.

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   Evaneposted 10 years ago

   I don't know what is His problem. He is just making the world complicated by being selfish.

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   dashingscorpioposted 10 years ago

   Whenever 70% of nation's population is in favor of attacking an enemy it's hard to say that it is any president's war.
   By many accounts a lot of people feel Obama didn't move fast enough to strike back after the beheadings.
   If ISIS hadn't beheaded those two American journalist it's doubtful 70% of Americans would have been in favor of entering into another war. The citizens were war weary and looking to end two wars.
   Unlike the Iraq war there weren't any organized "No blood for oil" protests in the streets of America when airstrikes were being considered. ISIS galvanized U.S. citizens to support military action.
   Some people believe Obama is a Muslim and is "soft" on Muslim terrorists. And others think he is overzealous in attacking Muslim countries.  For Obama it's a "damn if you do and damn if you don't".
   At any rate it takes two to fight. ISIS got the attention (they) wanted.

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Was there such support for Obama's oil war in Libya? The reason why there are no anti-war protests is because the protesters aren't anti-war, they are anti-Republican. Kind of like Jesse Jackson or NOW, the stated cause is not the actual cause.

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      JThomp42posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Good answer!

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      dashingscorpioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      retief2000, Republicans supported going into Libya and fighting ISIS. 70% of the population that supports the airstrike aren't all Democrats. Check out the  FOX News Channel and you'll see this war is "bipartisan". I've yet to see oil prices drop.

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Republicans wanted an authorization of force in Libya but the President ignored them.

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      President told them to repeal AUMF.....why don't they

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Excuse my ignorance but Obama "told" who to repeal WTMF and what would that accomplish?

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Presidents don't tell Congress anything, ever and if one presumes such a position of superiority he is likely to get little help with his political plans after wards.

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Authorisation for the Use of Military Force. Signed into law after 9-11-2001. Given to Bush, and I'm sure because they thought the R's would hold the presidency for a long time.Congress can repeal at any time.Congress can release funds to close Gitmo

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      Old Poolmanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Again pardon my ignorance by why would we want to repeal a law authorizing us to us Military Force against a known enemy?  Now I am really confused.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Because cons like it when a Republican president uses it: but look at them when a Democrat does! "Illegal", "Tyrant", "Impeach".....You gave it to Bush, now that O uses it: it's a problem.

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       retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Bin Laden is dead and Obama killed him.Al Qaeda is on the run.Iraq is a success.This is all because of Syria. The world teeters on the brink because lefties like Obama understand nothing. But it is all Bush's fault that Obama is just like Bush.

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       It's Bush's fault because he's a neo-con.He loves it. Obama, I think, is blackmailed into doing it.....unless you think that a man w a knife was actually allowed to get into WH.....right. Just like 19 men w box-cutters brought down the USA. BUNK.

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   Dan W Millerposted 10 years ago

   Really?! How short is your memory? Remember a Veep named Cheney and his main investment? Overseas oil. And there was a war that was started looking for the wrong person. What did W's father start his fortune in? Oil. I'm not even going to go into detail nor carry on examples and arguments because it's just ridiculous.
   ALL presidents of this century and the latter part of last century started wars becaue of oil. Both partys. I'll just cut it short here.

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Make up what ever story you like. Apparently you remember your fantasy quite differently than the rest of us remember reality.

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      lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Nope--I'm with Dan. Sorry--your "rest of us" only includes people like you.

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      What Cheney over seas oil investment?You do know that Haliburton is not an oil company. Why is it so terrible for thousands of middle class Americans to make a living from OIL?Why do lefties hate the middle class so much?

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      Dan W Millerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      MAKE UP!? I just stated a few well known TRUE facts. YOU are living in a fantasy and make me laugh. The rest OF WHO? A small handful of dillusional people?  These are simple facts and don't blame oil wars on one president like it just happened only d

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Oh no,Obama may be just the latest, but he is the greatest because he was on e of the ones leading the charge against everything BUSH, yet is BUSH II.He is a lying hypocrite of the first water.He is an unvarnished practitioner of war for oil

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      Genna Eastposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      reteif...Haliburton is an oil service company, among other things.  My goodness, it's one of the 4 companies that that won big subcontracts to drill for oil, build wells, etc. in Iraq when it  auctioned rights to rebuild and expand its oil industry.

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      OIL is obviously not just those who deliver it to your car. It is thousands of middle class jobs, not just for Americans either. Why do lefties hate employment, prosperity, freedom and the middle class?Cheney was no longer associated with Haliburton

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      Genna Eastposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Again,  that’s not accurate.  Cheney retired as CEO with the bid for VP, but has been active with the company including stock options and deferred comp.  I don’t know why you are pivoting to this derogatory “leftie” thing.  It doesn’t make sense.

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      retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … -payday-h/
      Third Party Trust Active? or Clinton Foundation Active.How many companies do the things Haliburton does on that scale?

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       like kill soldiers....http://rethinkafghanistan.com/blog/2009/05/kbr-got-bonuses-for-work-that-killed-soldiers/

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       retief2000posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Remember the VP who denounced the internal combustion engine as a scourge on humanity, pressured India to work with Enron and then sold his cable channel to an Oil sheik for hundreds of millions of dollars - hint it wasn't Cheney

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       lovemychrisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Well, a sheik co-owns Fox too---isn't that something.What do they both have in common.....selling the neo-con agenda. So very strange.....they all favor bombing and war, and think Israel is poor victim. Where is other pov. You won: why you complain

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   jfs69posted 10 years ago

   War for oil? We are at war against Muslim extremism. They are the one's selling the oil and making millions per day.

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