A crane collapse killed almost 100 people in Mecca's mosque on September 11.Is this a sign from God?
Considering the Saudi links to the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, including being the birthplace of Osama bin laden, it seems 'almost' like divine justice that the most important symbol of the ideologies of the terrorists saw death and destruction on the anniversary of the attacks.
May the victims' souls rest in peace.
god would not target innocent pilgrims for the crimes of another. if you think he would, i hate your god.
1) Any God who punishes the innocent to get revenge on the guilty is not worth believing in or worshiping. Such a God is evil in the extreme.
2) If you believe that God punishes the dead than God is ALREADY getting revenge on those who perpetrated 9/11 since Osama Bin Laden and many of the terrorists involved are now dead not to mention the actual hi-jackers themselves who martyred themselves.
3) If this is God's revenge he did a piss poor job because September 11th killed way more than a hundred people and was fourteen years ago meaning it took God a long time to get off his butt and do something. Also, unless you want to argue all these people were terrorists, it is an evil revenge because it attacks the innocent (as mentioned in number 1)
4) I'm not sure if you mean let these victims rest in peace or let the victims of the attack on the US rest in peace. I hope it is both but given the bent of the question I am not sure.
Celebrating the death of innocent human beings is sick so if this event gives you some sense of satisfaction, pleasure or justice and if this is the kind of God you believe in it does not reflect well on your character.
Unless you were just asking this question to stir things up.
1. Dunno if God exists. 2. Ditto. 3. I was thinking 'symbolic' more than 1-for-1
4. I was thinking crane victims,but yes, 9/11 victims, too.
What 'celebrating', 'pleasure', 'satisfaction'? You are jumping to way too many conclusions, just calm down.
Really? Justice is killing a bunch of random people who had nothing to do with the attacks? How do you figure?
This is distasteful nonsense.
No, it is not a sign from God, it's a terrible accident that happened to be on the 11th September. These people are innocent who happen to be from the same part of the world as people the USA was at war with. If you really believe God controls things like that for revenge of something that happened thirteen years ago, you're very sadly mistaken. What an idiotic thing to ask.
1. US is not 'at war with' Saudi Arabia - it's the US's best ally in the ME.
2. Muslims from all over go to Mecca, not only arabs like you suggest.
3. You know what God controls?
You should've stopped at 1st line of your answer - the rest is idiotic.
One cannot not wonder at the sort of intelligence which would even contemplate such a thought. That's like saying Japan, or Thailand, or Indonesia, or any number of a lot of countries aroused 'the wrath of God' which then 'punished' a few million people for the misdeeds of possibly a few hundred. What rubbish!
As I've mentioned before in these Hub Pages, read Neale Donald Walsch's best seller, 'What God Wants.' I refer to the A5 paper-back copy published by Hodder & Staughton in 2005. Look particularly at pages in Chapter 13.
You'll either understand the message or remain 'in that mind' which asks such questions.
the date of this accident is a tragic coincidence... but I'm sure the holy roller Jesus freaks will claim it's Divine vengeance or some such.
I haven't any Christian claim any such thing. Have you?
Some comments appearing now, but no 'Praise Jesus!' ones as far as I can see...
Tell me when you find some.
Just wondering why people assume that all Christians are Holy Rollers or Bible Thumpers.
It's just easy to bully Christians (and Buddhists and Jews and Hindus and Scientologists and ...) 'cos they won't try to behead you or blow you up.
Is this the repeat version of 911 again? I hope not. Tradegies do happen. Not God will. Don't blame everything on God. It would be unfair. Just avcidents do happens
Terrex: You of all people are attributing a freak accident to a sign? And that too from god? You can't be serious. This has to be sarcasm. In which case, good one. *fistbump*
Update: A muslim engineer working on the project has called the incident "an act of God".
All the outraged liberals, please call him an idiot now.
We must all die one-day, and I am struggling to think of a more better place or way to die than in the Holy City of Makkah whilst on Hajj.
Just because you're 'struggling', did you happen to consider: Mecca while on Haj, but NOT under a gigantic falling crane ripped from its supports by nature's fury?
A gigantic falling crane equates to an almost instant death, that is a merciful death. As for the survivors, I am unsure of God'd wisdom to their regard.
Surely that can't be the best death your imagination can give you! Are you really 'struggling' to find a better way to die, or is it some sorta, I dunno, attempt to elevate an horrific accident in the place you'd considered immune to such things?
Can your imagination think of a more befitting death?
Like I said before:
...NOT under a gigantic falling crane ripped from its supports by nature's fury.
Fair enough. According to Sunni theology the one who dies beneath a collapsed building is a martyr. [Sunan Abu Dawud - 3111]
Man, the 100+ victims' families must be wishing the mosque had collapsed instead of the crane, huh?
Life is something you hope for; Death isn't something you wish for. Our dead, as are those that died in 9/11 are perhaps in heaven having died the martyrs death.
I agree, of course, that no one wishes for loved ones' deaths.
I was just commenting on how if the mosque had collapsed instead of the crane, then (according to the 'sunnah' you quoted), the victims would be martyrs - that's what they'd hope for.
I am saying martyrs are those that died under the crane, as well as those that perished when part of the mosque collapsed due to the falling crane.
But that's going against the Sunnah you quoted itself. Isn't that not allowed in Islam?
I haven't gone against the Sunnah. I consider a crane to be a building of sorts; others are free to describe a crane as something else.
Well, that's obviously a big stretch, bordering on.... well, you say it.
A building is a building is a building. A crane is a vehicle, not a building. Anyway, whatever helps you think they are now 'martyrs', I guess.
Accident might happen anywhere and anytime in this world and in the universe speaking in broader terms. Even the pious and noble persons have gone through tests and hardships in life.
Lets think in clear ways and dont mix such incidents with any religion or group of people in particular.
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