What do you think of all the evil going on in Europe right now?

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   LoliHeyposted 9 years ago

   What do you think of all the evil going on in Europe right now?
   
   It seems like everytime I turn on the computer, there is another article about how Muslim immigrants in Europe are intent on taking over, and establishing a caliphate.  Sweden is now the rape capitol of the world, and Germany is a huge mess.  Is this scary?  Do you think it can happen in the US?  And before you call me an Islamaphobe, check it out for yourself and Google it.  I'm not making this up to be hateful.

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   Zelkiiroposted 9 years ago

   Sweden and Germany are still better places to live than the U.S. right now, and will be come exponentially more appealing by the day if any of the current Republican candidates somehow wins the 2016 election. I've got my eye on Finland, personally.
   
   (As for you Republicans, your only hope of having a candidate who isn't gibbering insane as well as being the anathema of all that is good in this world is to elect either Jon Huntsman or for someone to invent the time machine and go grab the 1980s version of John McCain. Or Teddy Roosevelt.)

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      VerityPriceposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed! Plus there are just as many (if not more) terrorist attacks in the US on a daily basis (e.g. on Planned Parenthood) than in Europe.

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   tsmogposted 9 years ago

   I am leery not of the speculation if true or false nor of any skepticism of its impact, but of the consequence. I say that because I have friends in Sweden and it is a concern of theirs. It is real. There is consequence. It has changed how they think, implanted fear, changed attitudes, and formed new behaviors. It is apparent it is a concern of the many and the communities including those of Muslims too.
   
   All the levels of governments are aware of the events, know the different truths with them, and are acting with actions. It is real. Yes, I agree those singular acts pointed out by the media most likely do not reflect the Muslim community as a whole. However, they are 'now' collective actual events. They are real. And, there is consequence. It has affected the world view and those same subsequent actions.
   
   It is an evil and it is sad :-(

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      LoliHeyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with you.  It is sad, but real.

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   VerityPriceposted 9 years ago

   First of all you need to take a look at where you are getting your news from. It's usually best policy to just ignore anything that Fox News and The Daily Mail have to say straight away.
   
   If you want to talk rape it's important to know that Sweden files rape in a different way to the US and most of Europe. If a wife says that her husband raped her 75 times in the past year, that would be counted as 75 different filed reports. Whereas in most other places it would be counted as 1. This is why Sweden appears to have high rape rates. That and the fact that the public satisfaction with police is higher than any other country in Europe, meaning that more victims feel comfortable reporting their rape, unlike in the US where the majority go unreported. The newspapers love saying that in Sweden 1 in every 4 women is likely to get raped, but this number doesn't seem to be true based on the above information. Plus in the US that number is 1 in every 3. So maybe you should be focussed on the rape endemic over there.
   
   What is happening in Germany is that right wing nazi groups are taking exception to the refugees coming into the country. As a result they are doing things like taping racist posters over walls and hiding razor blades underneath in the hopes that people who try to take them down will be hurt. These nazi groups are hosting public meetings and demonstrations. They are the biggest opposition voice.
   
   Where I am in Scotland, UK, we have decided to accept refugees and we have had no trouble. We actually got a plane full of refugees to be placed in our city a couple of weeks ago and it turned out that the majority of them were actually Christians not Muslim. We haven't had any increased crime rates apart from one instance where someone vandalised a Muslim graveyard. So actually it seems to be the anti-refugee people causing the most trouble.
   
   To answer your question I am not scared, I am not scared at all. And as for it happening in the US? Well Ted Cruz hurried himself to pass some legislation and is saying that the US will only accept Christian refugees (most of which are women and children), and they can apparently only accept 10,000 refugees for the entirety of 2016. So I would say that you don't have to worry about that.
   
   Instead I recommend that you worry about the high rates of rape, shootings and domestic terrorism in the US because they are far more dangerous to you.

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      LoliHeyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Glad the Christian refugees are welcome in Scotland.  Obama won't let them in the US.

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      VerityPriceposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Only 10% of refugees are actually Christian. So in any statistics the # of Christians is bound to be far below the # of Muslims. Also Obama said the opposite. He said that you can't accept/deny a refugee based on religion as it's unconstitutional.

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      LoliHeyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Right.  I heard otherwise.

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   Aime Fposted 9 years ago

   It's funny, because if you search "Sweden rape capital" the first bunch of articles that come up are from biased sources which would never be considered reliable in the real world.
   
   The first actual news source that pops up is from BBC News which explains that yes, Sweden's rape # is very high.  But this is because each rape is reported as a separate event.  So if someone was raped by their uncle 20 times, that counts as 20 rapes, whereas in most countries they would not report them all as 20 separate events. 
   
   You also have to take into consideration that reporting rape varies a bunch from country to country.  A country where reporting rape is common is going to see a lot more rape reports because there's less shame, doubt, and taboo around it.  Shockingly (and disappointingly) most nations have very low levels of reporting. 
   
   You can look at high profile cases like Bill Cosby to see that once some start coming forward, more start coming forward.  It's a very common concept in social psychology as well. 
   
   Personally I'm more afraid of people spewing hateful "statistics" that fit their narrative.

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   jaypoetposted 9 years ago

   it's uncalled for. I think Europeans can do better. However, we should bear in mind that, being one brother's keeper is necessary.

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