Syrian families are being "resettled" in America - how do you feel about it?
The first family under a speeded up "surge operation" for refugee resettlement in America, left Jordan Wednesday for Kansas City, MO. Ahmad al-Abboud, his wife and five children are coming as part of a targeted 10,000 people plan set up by President Obama by September 30th..
The "Re-Location & Re-Settlement" of Christians to the United States, to my knowledge, has yet to be INTERRUPTED nor Impeaded, yet this Demographic seems to Commit MORE Crime against Humanity in America, including "Violent CRIME", than any other Foreign Invader Group that I can think of ~ What is your PLAN to Combat this ONGOING Crisis? Give everyone including the perpetrators even MORE Gunz I suppose? ~ Read your BIBLE & try to Understand what Humantitarian AID & COMFORT is all about ~ Will there be a few "BAD Dogs" in the bunch? Of course, after all, we let CON-man Trump's family into this great country right? but that never stopped us from ACCEPTING other Demographics ~
lol TSAD ~ "TinFOIL HAT"? ~ A COMPLIMENT I Guess ~ But you Failed to address the Primary ISSUE that "Christians", who either Immigrate here or are "Home Grown", Commit Infinately MORE Violent Acts than any Syrian Refugee has ever DREAMED of.
Various SOURCES Including ME ~ Use your Common SENSE ~ Thousands of Homocides Occur each Year in the U.S., and considering the Predominant Religion, or Derivative thereof is "Christian", figure it out, it's Basic Arithmatic ~
Please...provide us with the link to some real statistics AP - Since guns are legal, why is this an issue? I suggest you open your house and invite these refuges to live with you, after all aid and comfort are your things, right?
lol ~ WHY Bother CITING the OBVIOUS when most CONservative Republicans "DENY & Dismiss" the FACTs, Mathematics, Science etc in favor of FOX Loser Snooze "PRETEND-Land"? Christianity is the Primary Religion here & Domestic Homocide Occurs DAIL
I was NOT "Home Schooled" & believe me, I'm very GRATEFUL for that ~ Someone else mentioned "Security of the COUNTRY" ~ If that's a Priority, WHY is "DRUMPF" Trump going to BLOCK Refugee Entry but NOT DEPORT Christians? ~
I have very mixed feelings on this subject Ralph. On the one hand, I feel very sorry for those who have had to leave their homes for fear of their own lives and the lives of their families.
On the other hand I have zero confidence in our governments ability to properly vet these people they want to bring to our country. In some cases there are no records available for them to review. I believe they would concentrate more on filling the quota of 10,000 refugees than the vetting process.
We already know that in Europe terrorists have been able to easily enter the country posing as refugees. That could, and probably would happen here.
Will the refugees make any effort to assimilate into our society or move into a neighborhood populated by other refugees? I know some will, but many will not.
We have people in our own country who could use some help they are not getting. Yes, they do get survival rations in the form of food stamps, Section 8 housing, and other entitlements, but these things are purely for survival. Nothing is offered such as skills training that would get them off the dole and make them productive citizens.
It seems we give special treatment to "refugees" and people in our country illegally and ignore our own citizens.
Much of this effort is purely political in an effort to gather votes. Most politicians have very little regard for anyone not a member of the Washington elite.
Yes, Obama and others will be able to add this refugee import to their legacy, but is it good for our country? I don't know and they could care less.
Gee, do you think any of them would lie about what they really desire? But that is a great example of what our government considers reasonable vetting. Just ask them what they intend to do and believe what they say.
Mike, I don't care if they are good or bad, actually - I just don't want them -America needs to look after Americans before we spend money on foreigners - just ask a homeless Vet how they feel about it
Fardmir,there are people all over the world who need refuge for all kinds of reasons.No matter how many we take are we letting all the rest die?According to your reasoning we are,so I guess we should take them all?We can't let them die,right?
Many countries could care less about the people unless they are in the ruling class. Yet we get involved trying to save them while ignoring our own homeless problems. I'm with Ralph on this, we need to care for our own first.
So it's not extreme to ignore almost all of them?Your definition of extreme is self serving to your point of view which is baseless.Where should the line be drawn to make you"feel"like it's not extreme cause that's all you're about,feelings.
This may sound strange, but I feel the same way about dogs. There are dogs in shelters dying every day because nobody will adopt them and take them home. We can't possibly take care of every starving person in the world.
The fact that terrorists could/are willing too come in with the refugees is a solid reason to require that anyone we do resettle here be fully vetted. If we can do a full background check, then we can let them in. Otherwise, no.
OP, I'm afraid that it won't happen that way. There are enough open border fools and folks that really could give a rat's butt (heads in sand) that nothing's going to change for the better. The Minuetmen were the last gasp for secure borders.
It only took 19 Muslim Terrorists to successfully attack the US on 911, and the US military didn't have a single defensive move. Three muslim terrorists in Brussels. Two muslim terrorists in San Bernardino California.
So letting even one muslim terrorist into the country is one too many. We have already adopted over 10 millions hispanics in the US. At least they only threatened our economy, while muslim terrorists threaten our way of life. There are many Middle Eastern Countries and other muslim controlled countries, and that is where the Syrians should go. People always whine about gun control, but where are they when loaded people can come into the US without any controls?
FYI ~ Just for the RECORD ~ ISIS was BORN from the Rubble of Moron George W Bush's "War of CHOICE" in Iraq ~ 9/11 Occured on George W Bush's Tenure ~ THOUSAND's of OUR Military Sons & Daughters were either Wounded or KILLED under George W BUSH ~
ISIS didn't come out and take geography until Obama was in office. Obama let the US troops out of Iraq. Congress both parties OKed the war. There is enough blame to go around. Maybe even enough to get you.
Nope TSAD, Not everything is George W Bush's Fault just 9/11, the Creation & FOSTERING of ISIS, & the "GREAT Recession" which Presient Obama Miraculously PULLED this Country out of ~ A few other DISTASTERs but those are the most Note-WORTHY
Yes, agreed that Obummer owns this one. But when it comes to illegal immigration, Bush was a friend to open borders. By association, Bush was a friend of allowing foreign terrorist operatives access to our country. Bush/Obummer: lousy on security
We're still struggling with all the "unaccompanied minors" from Central America and Mexico that arrived in 2015 and before. We should get credit for the millions of Mexicans, Central Americans and Carribeans we've taken in and not take in any more.
The first order of business charged to the President's keeping is the security of the country, not the security of refugees from a war he could have stopped (just because he probably feels guilty that he didn't stop what's going on in Syria when they crossed his red line, and he absolutely could have).
What he is doing with refugees is a violation of his duties as President and I guarantee you will come back to bite our ass, not his, probably after he is gone. If he ever had empathy for refugees or the innocents now being subject to ISIS genocides (thanks to his inaction against Assad or what BO called the "JVs" ) he'd have nipped the terrorists in the bud. Where did he think the Varsity get's its players from? He is so sophomoric he can't even miss-categorize a threat accurately when he wants to.
Anyway, what's it matter how anybody feels about it. The dictator has spoken.
Regardless of anyone's political views, I hope these people are greeted with kindness and acceptance. I'm sure it's no secret that there are many people opposing their arrival, and I'm sure it's not easy walking into that on top of everything else. Just remember that it's not their fault the government implemented a program that you disagree with, and think about them as HUMAN BEINGS trying to keep their families alive.
We have homelessness, hunger, and a myriad of other issues right here in our own country - I think we need to focus on helping American Citizens before accepting any refugees from anywhere else - all politics and religion aside.
Aime When you can't tell a good refugee from a terrorist refugee, why are you oblivious to the threat from these refugees. How many times do I have to remind that it only took 19 muslim terrorists to successfully attack the US. Only 2 in Ca.
Aime ~ CONservative Republicans start WARz with the WRONG Countries and U Expect Rational Solutions and or ANSWERS to Valid Questions? ~ Brad ~ HOW Many LIVES are taken by Domestic "Christian" Terrorists EVERY DAY yet NO Plans to DEPORT them?
Aime, while I can appreciate your sincere caring for these HUMAN BEINGS does your caring carry over to our own homeless situation to include many military veterans? Should we not take care of them too while importing 10,000 more homeless people?
Aime,&what if that tiny percent,which you agree is there,winds up murdering your brother or sister or mother or father, or hundreds of neighbors.Would you then say it was worth the risk even though that door never needed to be opened.
Hypothetically I could have been born in a part of the world where I needed to flee for my child's safety, too. I like to acknowledge that I've been lucky and not assume the worst about those who haven't.
Iguess I asked a questionAime doesn't wish to answer!Maybe she can't because she doesn't want to give answer that would suggest she cares more for her friends and loved ones than people she doesn't know or else she cares about no1's safety
Nice dodge, u still haven't answered my specific question.What if refugees murder your brother, sister, mother, father, and/or hundreds of neighbors.Would you then say it was worth the risk even though that door never needed to be opened.
That's like asking me if my family died in a car accident on vacation if I would say taking a long road trip for pleasure was worth the risk. Risks exist in EVERYTHING. And I answered your question = "I think compassion is worth the risk".
I DO (in Canada)! I give my time. I pay a buttload of taxes that go to social assistance that you'll never see me complaining about. And I'm not asking everyone to agree w/ bringing the refugees, I'm asking everyone to not treat THEM poorly b/c of it
The risk of dying in a terrorist attack is laughable. Dying in a terrorist attack is 1 in 25,000,000. you are 14 times more likely to die in your bathtub than in a terrorist attack. So get real please. Have some compassion.
There are always problems that need to be fixed. It's just a excuse. A country without problems does not exist. If you have a problem sometimes the best thing to do is to help someone else, it feels good to help someone and can fix your own problem.
I can't condone accepting refugees from countries that have been at war for thousands of years, and that includes Syria. These people should stay home and work for peace in their own country. We didn't cause their wars, their religions did. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. What will happen to us if they convert a majority of people in this country. Some of the sympathizers need to take a serious look at this.
I've volunteered with all kinds of organizations since I was 15, I try to do as much as I can - definitely something I'm passionate about. I'm glad Ralph is doing something, but that's not the norm (something I know having volunteered myself).
So what you have done is"volunteered"to organizations.My experience with that&why I don't do it anymore,is that most volunteers volunteer to satisfy their egos&get recognition for their good intentions, more than to actually help the cause.
Tsad - a bit cynical of you. I agree that many people do it for the wrong reasons, but nonetheless it still happens. Now the organizations that raise funds are usually giving just a small percentage to the actual cause
Yeahbut, when Aime says things she says with screwed up priorities that if she was honest she wouldn't apply to her own loved ones she fits the boat of the kind of people I've encountered having been on the board of a volunteer organization.
Boy did I ! I had to fight to stop a group of "volunteers" who were trying to take over the board, embezzling money, one hiding the fact he was a convicted rapist. All these "volunteers" fit my observations of what can happen in a volunteer
organization to a tee,which is people who aren't happy with their lot in life,who crave the recognition they can't obtain in their jobs or home life where they consider themselves a nobody,try to be somebody by volunteering.Then they leave
any humility at the door,try to assert themselves&run thingsdriving the truly altruistic volunteers away.I am cynical because I've experienced it first hand,&others I have met have had similar experiences with other organizations
Hadn't thought about there being enough young men to form their own army. You may be right, which is enough reason for me to disapprove of our taking them in. I fear some of the young refugees will go back and fight for ISIS.
Everyone is simply "Speculating" about Accepting Refugees ~ ZERO Proof this Unleashes a WORST Case Scenario ~ But what about "Christians" who are already here & Kill Daily? Do we DEPORT this Religious Denomination to Mitigate the Violence?
AP, you certainly have my permission to deport them. Real Christians don't kill unless it is in self-defense. Have you asked any of these CURRENT MURDERERS not the Crusades or Dark Ages if they are Christians? They may be non-believers in anything.
At Least you are Consistant with your sentiment to begin a MASS-Deportation of the Entire Christian Faith Begining Immediately ~ You are indeed UNIQUE Amongst CONservatives ~ At least you have some CREDIBILITY on the Subject ~ I Admire that ~
AP, I didn't say deport ALL Christians, just those who claim to be Christian and murder. Neither did I claim to be a conservative. I don't like people of any "faith" who murder. I don't consider murderers to be God-like or faithful. Thank you, truly.
My POINT is that "Christians" have a LONG Documented History of Committing VIOLENT Crimes here in the U.S. yet as a GROUP, you think they should be ALLOWED to stay here ~ 10,000 Syrian Refugees have ZERO History of Violence yet you would BAN them?
"Christians" have a LONG Documented History of Committing VIOLENT Crimes here in the U.S? Where is your proof of that? You think you can just say absurd things and people will believe you? You are truly not playing with a full deck of cards.
lol @ TSAD ~ MORE "Republican PRETEND-Land" Nonsense ~ "Denial of REALITY"? ~ Refuse to ACCEPT the FACT that Christans have a LONG Documented HISTORY of "Violent CRIME? lol ~ All I can say is OPEN Up your Browser & READ my friend ~
AP You said in the US(funny how u dropped that off)& U can't give me one source that supports that assertion.Violence committed in US in the name of Christianity does not qualify as Christians committing violence,they are not Christians.
"Character Limitations", hence the reason for "U.S." deletion ~ So, let me get this straight, an individual in the U.S. who tags himself / herself as a "Chrisitan", then Commits a VIOLENT Crime here, is thereafter NOT a Christian? Martian Maybe?
I wish there wouldn't be any refugee, anywhere. But yes, US should help more people. And I dont mind if they come to PR, for me, they'll be more than welcome. Why do I want it? That's what good people wish and do, help others in need.
Forget dilution,given the state of the area of the world they are coming from and the fact terrorists have already entered countries as refugees from that area&committed mass murder & maiming of innocent people why open that door ?
I think that every country in the world should open their hands helping those poor people who faced many struggles during the past 5 years. Most of those people have not traveled out of there countries not even for a once in their life and when they traveled they traveled because of fear. Show some sympathy please! Your hearts are made of stones or what!
I'm answering my own question so I get more space. I don't want refugees coming to America any more than illegal aliens or anyone else who doesn't follow the lengthy process of gaining citizenship - learning English, not dependent on any social programs, casting off the ways of their old land and embracing American culture, American values, and American law. No sharia, no burka, no FGM, no honor killings, no acid attacks, no random rape of children, animals or anyone else. Our culture should not be diluted by America being forced to change to accept the ways of newly arrived people. They adopt to our ways or they leave. It's my opinion and I don't care if anyone agrees with it or not.
Ralph, that used to be the way legal immigration was handled, until Ted Kennedy got involved in '64 I think it was. After that, it became politically incorrect to demand that immigrants be expected to assimilate - it's now cultural suicide.
Influx from members of the world's most intolerant religion? What could possibly go wrong? Kiss Beer, Bacon, and Bikinis goodbye. They won't tolerate these things. Remember, the true meaning is "submission". If you don't understand that that means now, you will in the future. Just like Germany does.
1) Female genital mutilation 2) Punishing rape victims 3) Honor killing 4) Child Brides 5) Sexually enslaving women 6) Punishing homosexuals 7) Murdering homosexuals 8) Child marriage 9) Domestic Violence 10) Disciplining or Punishing Wives 11) Beating Wives 12) Violence Against Women 13) Forced Marriage 14) Women being beaten or raped for wearing "inappropriate clothing" 15) Women being beaten or raped for leaving the house without a male relative as a chaperon 16) Women and men beating beaten and sometimes killed for expressing inappropriate thoughts in a blog. 17) Women and men being beaten and sometimes killed for being accused of disrespecting the religion of peace and tolerance.
Also, the belief that flogging, stoning, beheading and imprisonment are appropriate punishments for adultery, apostasy, witchcraft and blasphemy.
A nice compendium most likely contained in Sharia Law as well. It is a 3rd world primitive belief system that is fighting its way into the liberals concepts of non discrimination. In modern society, it is a virus waiting to take control of the host.
The onus is on the immigrants to adapt to the society of the country. By any means, practice their beliefs to their content, but never impose their beliefs on others. If only it's that simple. But it's not
What absolute nonsense! It is just this sort of ignorant paranoia that causes problems rather than solving them! Yes - all of the above happen in some Muslim societies, but the vast majority of Muslims are moderates.
Todays news - migrants attack border in Greece, migrant rapes, migrant gang violence in Vienna - respectfully John, please take your head out of the sand and see what is happening in Europe - those same people would be coming here
John Ignorant paranoia doesn't blow up people, but MUSLIM terrorists do. And when you can't tell the good from the bad, why take a chance. We have our own need citizens that we haven't done a good job of taking care. Charity should begin at home.
More breaking news in Canada that most media continue to ignore; confirmation that "refugee" boys in a Halifax school have been violently assaulting girls and threatening boys on a daily basis. The school has been lying about it.
The religion and the people are not the problem. It is what OTHER fanatical believers of their religion are doing with it - basically, using it as a psychological & emotional weapon along with their physical weapons - and it is working.
The people are NO MORE AT FAULT than 'normal Christians' are when Catholic Priests sexually abuse children; or Christian leaders go to war for any of the reasons they have ever done so, throughout history.
The original pilgrims supposedly came here to escape persecution; and the US Constitution was written with Freedom of Religion in mind because the Founding Fathers knew that we were - already, at that point in time - a very diverse melting pot of religions and cultures; and it was something valuable to human rights that needed to be protected.
Many of those early immigrants took the long way around to get here as you have suggested. And many - if not most - of those people came here due to religious persecution.
The Syrian refugee situation has become a crisis - somehow, over other refugee situations around he world; but this kind of thing should probably be happening more often.
Most of these people have skills that they can and will utilize to contribute to this country after they get settled and adjust. It may take them each a few months - my family took in an Armenian family a long time ago. But, they are eventually able to stand on their own feet; and are grateful for the help. Some of them even start to try to affect the volitile situations in their countries from this safer distance.
I don't think our national security needs to be affected by this. Sure, maybe some hotheads slip through as they have in Europe and elsewhere. Hopefully, that is when the good guys step in - before something happens - as they have so many times, so far.
But, a 'surge operation' doesn't necessarily mean that they are compromising the safety of this country. It could mean things like 'bumping them up' over other requests; and curbing some of the 'time-consuming' rules such as - learning English, not dependent on any social programs, etc. - because those things take time in and of themselves that THEY DON'T HAVE the luxury of. Those things can be 'caught up on' after they arrive.
I don't have a problem - not one - with this refugee surge operation; and I would support more.
Totally disagree - don't make the same excuse "it's only a few militants" the entire premise of Muslim life, sharia law, and more - do you want to start wearing a burka? Lose you freedom to speak out? Don't be PC, be an American
Syria has been in crisis for 5 yrs. Now, suddenly, there are millions or "refugees"? Now, suddenly, people notice and care? Aid organizations had been trying to get help for persecuted Christians and Yazidi for years; they are still ignored.
There is in fact only one belief about Muslims we all need to keep in mind at ALL times: The Radical Extremist Muslims want to KILL all "infidels. The moderate "peaceful Muslims want the Radical Extremist Muslims to kill all infidels." The End
It seems unlikely to me that a father, mother, and large number of children who are fleeing a war zone as refugees would come with a plan to carry out a terrorist attack. I would expect that more from young men who come as single men or who have left wives and children behind them. These are also the guys that are committing opportunistic rapes.
The father probably just wants to take care of his family.
A family that has fled a war zone is in crisis mode. They just want to survive. Yes they should integrate, but we must remember that this is a long process, which involves learning a whole new language and a new way of life down to details like where and how to shop, all while dealing with grief and trauma. Imagine doing that with a houseful of kids.
If we do not help them integrate by making friends and helping with language and with navigating our culture (including obeying our laws, BTW), then they will be more likely to do what is easiest ... settle into a neighborhood where they are surrounded by people from their own country. There they will feel isolated from Americans and will be more likely to develop frustration, paranoia and fanaticism.
How do I feel about it? "Welcome to America. I hope this is good place for you to make a life for your family."
It is a mistake to assume they have the same attitude towards family we do. This is an area where the culture is one of "martyrdom," where a parent's greatest pride is for their children to become martyrs. Too many "refugees" aren't refugees at all
I am surprised that Americans are allowing these refugees to come to USA. Muslims historically never integrate with the adopted nation. Americans will soon find the true colors of these refugees, when they would like to practice sharia and attack the US itself. Even second third generation Muslims are not loyal to the new nation. We have experience of India where they even refuse to chant national songs. Obama all said and done is a Muslim and that dictates his policy. All I can say is 'beware'.
John, it seems you are unaware of some of the polls done among Muslims in Western countries. Significant numbers - including among those born and raised in Western countries - support ISIL, want sharia law, etc. even to attacking non-Muslims.
I am all for helping genuine refugees; the problem is, in this current situation, few are refugees and fewer are Syrian. We know there are many fake passports and IDs - or no IDs at all. Thousands of able bodied young men are migrating to Europe, leaving women and children behind to starve. And who is being brought in? Not the persecuted peoples, but those who are doing the persecuting. Look at what's already happening throughout Europe, with rape epidemics, riots, theft.
In Canada, our accidental Prime Minister rushed 25,000 "refugees" into Canada, and plans to bring in even more before the end of 2016, while at the same time dismantling the checks and balances our previous government had installed to make sure the refugees that came in really were refugees. Just today, it made the news about a school in Halifax where "refugee" children used a chain to choke a woman's daughter, violent bullying has become common, the "refugee" children are telling the other children that "Muslims will take over the world", and do things like make slashing motions across their throats at opposing soccer teams.
These are elementary school children.
No. I am against this rush to bring in so many migrants. Few are genuine refugees, they have no intention of assimilating into their new homes, they believe they are entitled to houses and cars and money, but feel no need to contribute back to the countries that open their doors to them.
Sadly, genuine refugees and immigrants that want to actually contribute to their new countries are the minority, despite the media's attempts to make them out to be the majority.
What if it was me ? What if I found myself in the middle of a cruel war and had to decide to leave my homeland. To leave my house with just a few possessions. Leave the dog and cats behind, my friends. Hoping to survive a trip to an unknown world. What I often miss in the many discussions about the refugees of War is compassion. They are easily reduced to numbers. People do not flee there home and country that they love just for fun. It's a desperate act. Emigration is not something you do easily. 10.000 people for the US alone is just laughable. The US counts 319 million!!! The total amount of cities,villages and towns is 19.509 - So if you would put in every village one refugee (1 refugee in New York!!!) nobody will notice. So stop talking and let's help people in need.
A house is a never ending project, it's never in order. In the meantime you need friends to build your house. If you don't help others, others won't help you. But yes, there is a lot to be done to build the house called the USA.
This is excellent news, and I hope that the United States continues to offer a warm welcome to people who have suffered terrible losses in their home country.
I am frankly disgusted by some of the remarks that have already been made in answer to this question. The depth of ignorance shown by some of them is almiost laughable, but unfortunately typical of people who haven't a clue about what is happening in "faraway countries of which they know little".
Recent data in Canada about 25K recent "refugees": Gov. claimed most refugees rescued from camps. Reality; 90% were already settled elsewhere. Then tried to claim most were professionals English speakers able to work. Opposite is true.
Does anyone besides me have relatives in Europe? The Syrian "Families" that have gone there consist mostly of military age men. Many of them aren't from Syria but are Muslims from other countries. They have caused crime rates to increase beyond imagination. In Hungary, they now refuse to let them in as these "refugees" rob people, defecate in public, destroy property and more. Some farmers can't plow their fields because these "refugees" feel they can put up tent on the land. They do this without permission...they just take it. They also desecrate churches that are trying to help them. They've broken into homes and started living there because people were away from their house for a few days. They don't feel the laws of any country apply to them. They are so bad some European countries are sending them back to Syria. People have given them food and these "refugees" have thrown it back at them as it wasn't what they wanted to eat. THIS is what you want in the United States? These are facts. You gullible people on this thread probably know nothing about Hijrah, or jihad by emigration. Right? Read about it and things happening will make sense. Most people who believe in this is a good thing are so very naive as to the reality of this situation and ignorant of facts.
I have 3 cousins that lived near the Paris bombing. My family survived WWII. We know only too well. People try to say these "refugees" are the new Jews. They are the new Nazis, openly saying they want to kill Jews.
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