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Syrian Refugees

  1. CCgirl profile image73
    CCgirlposted 2 years ago

    With all of the media coverage surrounding the Syrian Refugee crisis there is clearly a huge divide in the opinions of America citizens.  I am completely torn.  Although the fact is that there are innocent children involved, I can't help but feel like I am being asked to chose to "potentially" sacrifice the safety of my own children to protect the children of others.  On the other hand my heart aches for these little ones and I can't help but see my children in their eyes.  Curious to know where everyone stands.

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I am yet to be convinced of the 'mortal' threat posed by a relatively small amount of Syrian refugees. Yes, they need to be properly vetted prior to their admittance. But, from what I heard most are women and children? The Western democracies in Europe and Canada are stepping up, why are we having so much trouble?

      1. profile image0
        calculus-geometryposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Have you forgotten the huge numbers of refugees the US takes in from Latin America?  I do not see Europe or Canada taking in Latin Americans the way the United States does.  I'm continually surprised that people expect the US to be the caretaker of the entire universe.  I guess Latin Americans are not the politically fashionable variety of brown people these days and everybody forgets about them. 

        Europe has to take in immigrants because the birthrates of native Europeans are so abysmally low their countries would be soon be empty otherwise.  It's not such an admirable act of altruism so much as it is a political and economic necessity. Native Europeans have lost their basic evolutionary instincts and cannot be bothered to breed anymore.

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          So, your opinion is against accepting the refugees? I doubt that Europe would accept refugees into their environment that pose a danger regardless of political or economic necessity. Believe it or not, the birthrate issue is happening here in America as well, even if it is more slowly.

          I see that you come from Europe (Germany) perhaps you have a unique perspective on all this as the Germans have been the most generous and open toward the refugee problem.

          1. colorfulone profile image84
            colorfuloneposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Things are very bad in Germany because of the refugee crises.  I am a member of some Facebook groups that are mostly citizens in Germany.  Its an invasion by mostly healthy military aged Muslim men.

            Google "german terror victims" and find out what is actually going on because of poor choices the German government has made.  Citizen would like Merkle removed from office, and I fully agree. 

            German citizens post videos on YouTube, blogs, and news sites  Muslim refugees have no respect for the woman, who are beaten and raped. If the German men say anything they are rebuked or attacked by gangs. 

            Mainstream media is covering up the truth of the refugee crises...and seem to be inviting it here in the US along with the present administration.

            Don't give up your guns! 

            The same crap is going on in the UK, Australia...who needs that. 

            I do support Samaritan's Purse operation in Northern Sryia in safe zones for refugees. The needs are great and the ministry is one that is worth donating to.  But, there are other ministries working to give relief to the refugees in Sryia too.  These refugees do not want to come to America, they want to stay close to their homelands in hope they will be able to return, that is where their hearts are. 
            __________
            Hi, CCgirl! smile

            1. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Your point is well taken, but Germany has hosted hundreds of thousands of refugees. These recent arrivals have caused all trouble and it is not fair to get after Chancellor Merkel about this.

              It would give me cause to pause in the immigration process to further vet people or whatever.

              I don't think that I am going to get any nearer the truth from right-wing news outlets.

              I am not going to get my drawers in a bunch over less than ten thousand women and children who are properly vetted being allowed to settle here as part of a humanitarian effort.

            2. CCgirl profile image73
              CCgirlposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Hello Colorfulone smile
              Seems like you and I are both torn between our heartfelt sympathy for these people and the part of us that fears the possibilities

              1. colorfulone profile image84
                colorfuloneposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                My heart breaks for the innocent refugees who are caught-up in a really bad situation.  But, as for those who sneak in with the refugees and are radicalized insane jihadists who want to kill innocent people...there should be no mercy.

        2. CCgirl profile image73
          CCgirlposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Credence2, I with you on all key points. Many are women and sadly many children.  I am an immigrant and very proud of what I have accomplished in ear, I am not against immigration.   My struggle is truly with our ability to properly vet these people.  As of last month we didn't even know how many visa over-stays we had in the country or how many of our own citizens had traveled in 2015 into Syria and not returned.  If we can't trust our leadership to track these seemingly simple things, how can we trust them to ensure every precaution is taken to protect us?  Getting a visa is not simple, lots of paper trails and we can't keep track.  It's troubling.

        3. CCgirl profile image73
          CCgirlposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          calculus-geometry,

          I definitely have not forgotten about Latin America or South America for that matter.  The fact is that the threat of another 9/11, or San Bernadino or Paros attacks is not coming from Latin or South America.  I am happy to help anyone searching for a better life for their children, still a little scary.  Also, to Cedence2's point, the birthrate issue is not specific to Europe.  Our birthrate here in the US has been slowly but steadily declining since 2008 with the exception of 2012 when we increased ever so slightly.

      2. rhamson profile image75
        rhamsonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        We are having a problem with human nature is what at the crux of the matter. Does the danger that could face us if the wrong people get through the vetting process kills one of your children or spouses outweigh their own solutions? One thing I learned in life is that you cannot run away from your problems. Wherever you go, there you are. Is it about the odds that one of them might be someone they say they are not? Is that the question? I don't know what the answer is but when our country has been threatened where would we be if we just left?

  2. Aime F profile image84
    Aime Fposted 2 years ago

    I believe the city I live in alone has taken in about as many refugees as the entire U.S.

    I don't feel any less safe with them here.  In fact, seeing all of the donations and volunteer activity taking place in my city to make the refugees feel welcome and at home makes me feel better about where I live - such kindness and acceptance.  smile

    The way I see it, is if it were my family and my child fleeing for our lives, I would hope that people would help us.  I think we're all very lucky to have been born in the 'right' place, we could have easily been born somewhere else where we found ourselves in life-threatening situations every day.  People have no control over where they started.  But people do have control over whether or not they choose to be compassionate.

  3. colorfulone profile image84
    colorfuloneposted 2 years ago

    Sweden is to Deport 80,000 Muslims Refugees.  A lot of damage has already been done.  But, good for them!
    http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/sweden-to-ex … orig=world

    If only they'd deported before all those Muslim refugees raped people.
    http://www.infowars.com/rape-epidemic-i … o-stop-it/

    I blame the liberal media for creating idiots by not reporting the truth and covering up the truth. 

    But, you know, "tolerance".  What empty-headedness!
    I care very much about the women and children who are raped because of Muslim refugees.

    1. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Oh good grief. 

      Sweden has had one of the highest # of rapes in the west for two decades.  They report rape differently than most of the world so it's hard to compare statistics.

      In 2014 they changed rape from "sexual intercourse" to ANY kind of unwanted sexual contact and the rates spiked. 

      But real nice of you to go straight to blaming Muslims. 

      Such tolerance.

    2. colorfulone profile image84
      colorfuloneposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Also note that there are refugees volunteering to leave and it's not a case of forcibly removing 80,000 rapists as you'd like everyone to believe."    -  Aime F   

      WHAT?   Who is trying to make everyone believe anything.  Maybe read my post and not add your own twist to my words. smile  But, its a free world...add whatever you like...    Heck, read the articles I added links for the two separate points I made. That might help.

      Are you trying to make everyone believe I said something you want them to believe I said?  That's just too complex for me.

      I Made Two Different Points. 

      a) Sweden is going to deport 80,000 Muslin refugees. 

      b) If only they'd deported before all those Muslim refugees raped people.

  4. colorfulone profile image84
    colorfuloneposted 2 years ago

    Google this "sweden to deport 80,000 muslim refugees rape"
    Or, "muslim rape crisis"  -  Sheesh!  Tolerance?  roll
    Or, do what liberals do...below...
    http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12854030.jpg

    1. CCgirl profile image73
      CCgirlposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Colorful one and  Aime
      We're all 3 Women and passionate about the rape topic. 

      http://www.wonderslist.com/10-countries … ape-crime/

      Aime is actually correct.  By 2013 they were THE highest in
      Europe.   That being said, crime has increased in several
      Area where refugees have been placed.   This is no different than areas heavily populated with minorities where the crime rate is through the rough.

    2. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      They're not deporting refugees because of rape.  They're deporting them because they've taken in the highest number of refugees relative to population size in all of Europe and they're overcrowded.  Also note that there are refugees volunteering to leave and it's not a case of forcibly removing 80,000 rapists as you'd like everyone to believe. 

      I'm not trying to suggest that taking in huge numbers of refugees without taking precautions is the way forward, but I haaaate the notion that Sweden's rape statistics are a valid reason to say no to refugees in general because their statistics have been very high long before the influx of Muslims.

 
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