How do we let HP know about Anti-religious verbal extremists writing toxic hubs?

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   Oztinatoposted 7 years ago

   How do we let HP know about Anti-religious verbal extremists writing toxic hubs?
   
   There are a number of Hub authors writing specifically only Anti-religious extremist hubs. Technically this is "anti religious trolling". How can we ban them? Should there be a limit on the number of Anti-religious extremist hubs for any one individual? For example, if a person has ten hubs and 50% or more are anti-religious should this be the definition of trolling on HP?
   
   

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   RJ Schwartzposted 7 years ago

   America = Free Speech
   Religion is not meaningful to everyone
   Would you be saying the same if a writer wrote all Christian Hubs?

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I am responding to the same theme on Q&A re religion. We need to get away from religion as solely "right wing USA Christian". All indigenous cultures' identities are part of their religion. To try to destroy them is cultural genocide.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You seem to have the same crusader type of answer for everyone who responds.  If a person is against organized religion, then they are entitled to write about it in any way they choose as many times as they want to.

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Ralph
      If you check HP rules this is not technically true if the hubs contain nothing but vilification. There are specific rules stopping anti religious or other trolling

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      RJ Schwartzposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      So don't read them - are you afraid someone else's opinion might be read before yours?

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I often don't read them unless I feel I can add logically to the debate. I'm not interested in contests about "who's on first " etc

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   Jewelsposted 7 years ago

   Do you have samples or links to these hubs? 
   
   I have found the Christian Right to be quite extreme on HP. Not sure where you draw the line on creative expression.

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      We need to get away from stereotyping religion as "right wing USA". There are many positive examples of Indigenous religions, Buddhism, etc. Stereotyping is related to bigotry, hate speech and religious intolerance.

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      Jewelsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Very true, point taken.  I used it as the most common example of extremist views here on HP. I have not seen examples of extreme Buddhism or Hinduism here.  Just wanted to be clear.

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks. My point is valid when not being misrepresented by as usual a majority of online atheists as seen here. Let them extol atheism to their hearts content.  Why constant anti religious hubbers are tolerated by HP is another question.

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      Jewelsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe it's my ability to think laterally & see more than one point to topics.  I've seen a plethora of bible quoting hubs that were in effect insulting atheists, also Buddhists and Hindus.  I thought HP was taken over by a church at one point.

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy … -Hypocrisy
      Here is my hub on atheism which Defends ethical atheism!
      Yes I've seen unkind remarks about atheists  (free speech ) but not continuous numerous repeated hub themes

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      jlparkposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You keep going on about these hubs but have not provided a link to anyone's bar your own. Link a hub or hubber that does what you think they're doing, and let us have a look - may even help by reporting it if it's violated TOS etc.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe this is a way for people to read HER thread..,.,sounds hypocritical

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It's certainly against hub rules to name individuals. We all know them anyway as individuals who focus on solely anti religious hubs. Do you just hit me with a flower?

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   jlparkposted 7 years ago

   Report them in the same way you would any other Hub that breaches TOS for Hubpages.
   
   If it's merely that it goes against what you believe, and in countering your argument has annoyed you - then Hubpages will see that, and leave it.
   
   If it's merely that they are posting "trolling' type hubs, then Hubpages would see this, and if it breaches TOS - they will remove.
   
   I would say this for both sides of the equation - if it's designed to be nasty, personal insults etc - then I'd report it be it a Christian's hubs towards Atheists, or vice versa.
   
   Difference makes the world go round. People are never going to agree, and we have to look at whether it's offending it us because we don't agree with it, or it's genuinely trying to be offensive. And, most people would admit that sometimes that distinction is a difficult one to make
   
   You comment that you were following the theme of another question on Q+A - the question you are referring to is referring to a Hubber who has recently been banned from Q+A briefly for abusive comments, personal insults, and technically harassment. Most people couldn't care less what faith this hubber is - its their behaviour thats the problem.
   
   But hey - interesting question. The meme is...silly, but isn't that the point?

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I get all the religious hubs. There is not one hubber solely doing anti atheist hubs. On the reverse side there are dozens of solely anti religious hubbers! There needs to be a rule against solely anti religious hubbers.

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      Austinstarposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Can we also get a rule against solely religious hubbers? This is supposed to be a community of writers, not of people who copy and past bible verses all the time.

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It's not about that it's about specifically and persistent anti religious hubs. There are no persistently anti atheist hubbers only religious people writing religiously hubs about religion.

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      jlparkposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, but is it merely because you disagree with them Oz, or are they actually offensive? Because if it's the first - u can't ban, if it's the 2nd - report. Surprised u haven't already if they are the 2nd, so I'm gathering they're the 1st.

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Repeated online anti religious or other types of trolling are regularly banned or punished. That's common knowledge. I'm claiming there is one particular group which is injecting unecessary venom into the HP community as logical analysis shows.

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      jlparkposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The provide a link to the hubs or hubbers. Report them yourself. It's terribly simple. HP will delete if violates. If not deleted, not violating. if it's just because you disagree that its venomous they'll see that 2. Goes 4 religious hubs doing same

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It's against hub rules to name names. The reason more hubs aren't deleted is another question ("fools walk where angels fear to tread"....proverb)

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      jlparkposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Then report - and it will be judged as to whether you just offended cause you disagree, or whether it's actually offensive and against TOS.

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   Wesman Todd Shawposted 7 years ago

   You shouldn't be focused on banning someone's writing because you disagree with it. How would you feel if the atheists were attempting to have religious writing banned?
   
   I'm sure there are some who'd like to see religious writing banned, but banning writing about a belief system isn't going to happen on this website. What should be of concern to you, if you wish to be a good member of this website is ...bad writing.  That's it, if the page is short, ugly, poorly written, obviously spam - THAT is the writing you should be concerned with getting off this website.

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I get all the religious hubs. None of them are hubs solely denigrating atheists. On the other hand there is a plethora of solely anti religious hubbers. There needs to be a cut off point in the number of such solely "anti religious  hubs"

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   B M Gunnposted 7 years ago

   Hubpages can't limit freedom of speech. Just because you disagree with what someone is saying, doesn't mean they can't say it.
   
   If us atheists tried to ban religious people from making what we deem  "stupid" hubs, I bet you wouldn't be so happy, now would you?

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It's not about "stupid" religious hubs and you know it. It's about persistent anti religious trolling hubs. Huge difference. Religious hubs are just about religion not persistent anti atheist hubs.

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      Levi Legionposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Oz, your attempts to label anti-theist hubs as "trolling" only reveal the hatred you have for them. You don't like the subject matter so you mislabel it in order to degrade it. You should really get a grip.

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Levi
      think about it: it's fine with hub rules if people extol the virtues of atheism; it's not fine to denigrate others as that's not simply extolling atheist virtues. It's against HP rules.

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      Levi Legionposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Writing against a belief system is not against HP rules.

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy … -Hypocrisy
      Here is a link to my hub on atheism which Defends ethical atheism!

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   mybillypilgrimposted 7 years ago

   This is only my third Hub. Read my other two and get back to me.

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Ok I had a look and I'll "wait and see".  I'm busy anyway milking the venom out of some snakes in (or on?) the grass. Perhaps I'm in battle mode. Time to crack a few jokes elsewhere.

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   LoliHeyposted 7 years ago

   I get what you're saying, but people are free to write about whatever they want on their hub page.  Writing ten million hubs on the same topic is not trolling because it is your page.  Just avoid them like the plague, as much as you love to hate them.

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Yes we can write a million hubs on cakes or judo etc. Religious people generally sing the praises of their beliefs. If an atheist wrote a million hubs singing the praises of Atheism that's fine but they don't do that.

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      B M Gunnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      YES!! For once, something that me and Lolita can agree on!

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I've actually seen hp get rid of such hubs

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   Oztinatoposted 7 years ago

   http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy … -Hypocrisy
   For the record here is link to my hub on atheism Defending ethical atheism! Ethical atheism does not vilify religions it merely promotes atheism.

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      B M Gunnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Atheism is the lack of a belief in god. In promoting atheism, you are telling people to NOT belive in god. Any reason we could possibly use, any fallacy we could point out, any way promote atheism would require some degree of religious vilification.

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    David Bucknerposted 7 years ago

    I don't think banning is the solution. I agree it's ridiculous, but you gotta realize that it's just their childish nature coming out in writing form. They feel the need to insult religion because...? They like to insult people for no reason? Don't let it wear down on you, it's just people seeking attention.

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       Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Best answer so far!
       The battle invigorates me and I can add significantly to the debate.  Constant anti religious hubs by a few are injecting enormous amounts of venom into HP.

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       B M Gunnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       If you don't like the venom, don't touch the snake! Just because it's on the website, doesn't mean that you need to read it!

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       Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       I often don't but if I feel I can add to the debate I enter it. It's the good fight like Frodo against the Orcs: the perennial battle between right and wrong.

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