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Is Donald Trump criminally responsible for inciting violence at his political ra

  1. ptosis profile image81
    ptosisposted 23 months ago

    Is Donald Trump criminally responsible for inciting violence at his political rallies?

    There is a well-established legal definition of incitement to violence, and it involves three parts (1) that the person is directly being encouraged (or "incited") to commit some act of violence, and (2) there is a clear and present danger that the person will commit the act, and (3) that the person does, in fact, commit the act. The image does not show a sucker punch but an elbow the 78 year old man who walked from middle of the seating to get to the aisle and elbowed in the face a peaceful protester. A move that is not even allowed in MMA.

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  2. Ericdierker profile image54
    Ericdierkerposted 23 months ago

    This is a cool question but I am baffled at one part: " (1) that the person is directly being encouraged (or "incited") to commit some act of violence," I was not aware that Trump encouraged anyone to commit a violent act. I assume you are not referring to him saying "throw the bums out" or something like that. It is routine to expel people who are not acting appropriate at public events. I  would be very interested to learn what the inciting language was. I am sure it was recorded.
    Wouldn't it be terrible if he said "start throwing elbows and sucker punching people".
    I am intrigued about the people that oppose Trump and go to his rallies/events. What do they get up in the morning and say -" let us go into a hostile place and protest because we can" or are they hardcore and see it as their duty to attack the demon Trump. In either case they are intending to incite discord. I just cannot see a Trump supporter getting up and saying let us go create a volatile situation at a Trump event.
    Don't most the protesters support a different candidate? Perhaps those candidates should be held responsible.

    1. lovemychris profile image57
      lovemychrisposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I said the same thing about Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck. And i say yes. He's got a lot of influence and as he said, his people follow him no matter what. So when he says punch em in the face, if you hurt them I'll pay your lawyers fee, he is inviting.

    2. Ericdierker profile image54
      Ericdierkerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Yes I took a some time to look at what he said  at different places. Trouble is that there is no causal connection. He did not invite the protesters. And he did not ask them to punch someone. And he said he would punch them. Very interesting. Maybe

    3. tamarawilhite profile image91
      tamarawilhiteposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      The disruptions and attacks at Trump rallies are an extension of the leftists at colleges attacking people who expressing rightwing opinions like Milo Yianopolis' tour. They show up and disrupt events, throw blood, threaten violence to prevent events

    4. ptosis profile image81
      ptosisposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees." - TRUMP Feb1 2016

    5. Ericdierker profile image54
      Ericdierkerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I don't think there were any acts of violence on Feb 1st. It does not get to carry over -- I wouldn't think. It sure is a close call. He is  not inciting the protesters. That makes a difference. They are there for disruption.

    6. ptosis profile image81
      ptosisposted 23 months agoin reply to this
    7. Ericdierker profile image54
      Ericdierkerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Thanks for that it was illustrative. And now I say for sure he did not incite. Rhetoric. And it clearly had no direct cause as to what happened in Chicago. Only 5 out of thousands doesn't sound like they were incited.

    8. LoliHey profile image54
      LoliHeyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      You know what?  People shouldn't be storming a rally.  If you hate Trump and his supporters stay the hell away from them.  Why would you go to one and start stuff?  What did they expect?

    9. ptosis profile image81
      ptosisposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      +Lolita Monroe Because the protesters are refusing to tolerate intolerance. Separation & alienation by 'Othering' protesters as 'bad people', Trump wins yet more votes by fanning popular fears of violent chaos. Rise to power by fear is scary.

    10. RJ Schwartz profile image93
      RJ Schwartzposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Would you walk in a lions den because you hate lions?

  3. tamarawilhite profile image91
    tamarawilhiteposted 23 months ago

    Liberals are labeling opposing viewpoints as motivated by hate and calling for hate speech to be banned. This destroys freedom of speech in the name of protecting feelings.

    And liberal activists are showing up at conservative events, threatening violence, now acting violent ... they've been doing it for years at college events, only now doing it at national political events.

    And you're blaming the people who are trying to exercise their right to free speech and freedom of association instead of the left wing activists saying "I don't like your speech, I am threatening to kill you, and we are attacking your supporters".

    1. LoliHey profile image54
      LoliHeyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      If you're not a liberal, you don't have free speech.  You're automatically racist and a bigot.  Sad.

    2. tamarawilhite profile image91
      tamarawilhiteposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      The horror is that in the name of tolerance, liberals are destroying the rights they say they want to protect like speech, association and religion. They are brownshirts wearing shirts saying the conservatives are the fascists.

    3. ptosis profile image81
      ptosisposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Activists, demonstrated at events for Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, and Martin O'Malley. Nobody was assaulted.The candidates themselves never suggested or inferred that violent retribution would be their preferred response

  4. chef-de-jour profile image97
    chef-de-jourposted 23 months ago

    I don't know enough about the legal system in the USA with regards to incitement of the public but from a distance I've seen and heard enough to know that this man Trump stirs things up - for a purpose. To polarise. He goes just so far and then the rest you can somehow fill in...I'm sure his lawyers are advising against more offensive sound bites.
    He definitely attracts a small percentage of Americans who would gladly build a wall across the Mexico border and ban all Muslims from entry to States. Other hangers on with what might be called a negative agenda will surely follow and before you know it you'll have what? Huge undercurrents of suspicion and hatred rising to the top.
    He seems to want to fight with each and every opponent he 'debates' with, and his political language so far has been naive to say the least. If he's to be President he'll have to curb his tongue and get serious with these controversial issues. Can't see that happening somehow.
    But, I hope he doesn't become President. The world is balanced on a knife-edge at present, what with Putin in Syria and hankering after Ukraine; a dysfunctional Europe; and with China building military presence on islands in the south China sea.  What the world needs is a strong diplomat as President. Not someone who wants to fight. curse, point the finger and accuse.

    1. tamarawilhite profile image91
      tamarawilhiteposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      WIkileaks PROVES James O’Keefe Right – Dem Leaders Were Organizing Anti-Trump Protests
      http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10 … cnn-video/

  5. bradmasterOCcal profile image29
    bradmasterOCcalposted 23 months ago

    Absolutely NOT
    Absolutely NOT
    Absolutely NOT
    Absolutely NOT

    1. LoliHey profile image54
      LoliHeyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      He may be saying inflammatory things, but one chooses how one reacts to it.

    2. ptosis profile image81
      ptosisposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      While people are responsible for their own actions, Donald Trump is knowingly creating the conditions and making the statements that have brought us to this point.

    3. LoliHey profile image54
      LoliHeyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I don't think so.  Donald Trump did not start this.  Black people are also responsible for their actions, all races are.

  6. Annsalo profile image84
    Annsaloposted 23 months ago

    For one thing, out of thousands of people only FIVE were arrested. Out of those 5 I believe 2 were Trump supporters based on news coverage that said it was fights (takes 2 to fight assuming one protester vs one trump fan).

    The majority of the event was a peaceful protest that wasn't even cause for alarm. Even the Police chief stated they had it under control and there were no issues that were so bad that they were out of hand.

    People are responsible for their own actions. I don't care if trump is an ignorant hate monger, people ALWAYS need to be held responsible for their actions.

    Asking if Trump is responsible is like blaming violence on music or video games. Individuals are at fault for their own behavior!

    1. LoliHey profile image54
      LoliHeyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Peaceful?  It didn't look peaceful on my the video I saw.  Please stop with this peaceful protest bs.  I'm tired of liberal jerks being defended for being, well, jerks.

    2. Annsalo profile image84
      Annsaloposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I could tell you the sky is blue and you'd debate the shade.

    3. ptosis profile image81
      ptosisposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Five arrests In Chicago. The fire department said three people, including a police officer, were injured.

    4. Annsalo profile image84
      Annsaloposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      5 out of thousands and thousands, and one of those 5 was a reporter for the Trump campaign. If the entire thing was so not peaceful there would have been more arrests.

  7. LoliHey profile image54
    LoliHeyposted 23 months ago

    No.  People should not be crashing rallies like that.  As I said below, one is responsible for ones actions, no matter what is said.  If you don't like Trump, don't vote for him.  You have no right to storm his rallies.  Leave his supporters alone.  You're only confirming the rumors they have about you, and they're not going to change their minds about Trump.

    1. ptosis profile image81
      ptosisposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Never make negative comments or spread rumors about anyone. It depreciates their reputation and yours.

    2. LoliHey profile image54
      LoliHeyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I'm not making any negative comments about anyone.  I'm not spreading rumors.  I'm calling it as I see it.

    3. ptosis profile image81
      ptosisposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      +Lolita Monroe   Thank you for your comments.

    4. bradmasterOCcal profile image29
      bradmasterOCcalposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      ptosis
      Your 3 parts have also been applied and held unconstitutional as an abridgement of Freedom of Speech. Clearly, Trump made no incitement of violence. It seems like your ? is an untenable reach.

    5. ptosis profile image81
      ptosisposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      “Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”

  8. ptosis profile image81
    ptosisposted 23 months ago

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    First Amendment protects the right to free speech; it does not protect you from protest and criticism. Trump has fueled violence saying that the assault of protesters like Jones “very, very appropriate.”

    MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow said this attempt “to gin up political violence for its electoral utility” sets up a dangerous precedent. The result is “that violence at these events, which may start organically, is in effect spot lit and encouraged to the point where it becomes something that is legitimately out of control of anyone,” she commented on Friday night. “And then the spectacle of political violence is itself seen as something that is a problem that needs to be solved by this strongman character who incited the initial event in the first place.” - http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/ … ee-speech/

    Protesters have been pushed, kicked, punched or spit on. For some reason, this is not a common feature of rallies held by Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz.  The air of danger and chaos at UIC didn’t arise by accident. It was a response to his calculated practice of demonizing minorities and sanctioning violence. - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin … olumn.html

    “What Donald Trump must do now is stop provoking violence and make it clear to his supporters that people who attend his rallies or protest should not be assaulted, should not be punched, should not be kicked. In America people have a right to attend a political rally without fear of physical harm.” - Bernie Sanders

  9. PeterStip profile image71
    PeterStipposted 23 months ago

    Trump himself is a violent men, he shows this in the many one liners he shouts around. It's no wonder that a violent man attracts a violent crowd and is supported by the KKK.
    Trumps rise to power is based on fear, hatred, finger pointing, scapegoating and violence. All negative emotions. Such a presidential candidate is a negative force for the country and a terrible choice for a president.

    1. ptosis profile image81
      ptosisposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Culture of fear (or climate of fear) is the concept that people may incite fear in the general public to achieve political goals.  Tell them they are attacked, denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger.

    2. tamarawilhite profile image91
      tamarawilhiteposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      O’Keefe Video Sting Exposes Democrats’ Effort to Incite Violence at Trump Rallies
      http://www.breitbart.com/big-government … p-rallies/

    3. ptosis profile image81
      ptosisposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      I saw that video where all a person has to do to 'incite' is to where a t-shirt that says your for abortion.  I calling it egging on, not incite

  10. prektjr.dc profile image87
    prektjr.dcposted 23 months ago

    This is much less absurd than Obama inciting the riots in Ferguson! Time to have equal rights for Republicans!

 
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