So I have actually been overly curious about this topic for several years, but as the date draws nearer I'm noticing more coverage and research into the topic. I really hate to think that I only have two more years to prove myself to the world, especially since I only recently decided to begin living my life for me. I'm not sure if what I need is assurance or if I simply wish to discuss this issue. All I know is on the given date above we have a whacked out planetary alignment due to us and that many believe this will result in a polar shift. I ask you now, what do you think about this subject? Could the Mayans have been wrong? Or is it our view of their ancient beliefs that are incorrect? Discuss among yourselves.
I only hope nothing happens, if anything happens it maybe possibly weather related. Such as sever storms,. Hopeful nothing serious. Possibly like global warming effect, if possible. The universe will most likely create weather conditions/.
can you imagine if there is a severe storm somewhere on that day? people will go all crazy
My friend, I'm afraid this may affect all of us, in some sort of way. I have no doubt. My god be with all of us . I only hope for the best. The more we all know the better. Beings the world is shifting.. the weather will no doubt go possibly reverse. Or give or take. There was a movie about the weather going nuts I forget the title. I am praying for everyones safety . Frienz4lif, hi cosette.
Not if its a Saturday. I'll have to cut grass and I hate that.
Seriously? Please, the Mayans could see so far into the future and were so wise in the ways of astrology and chronology they didn't even see their own demise coming. We're expected to worry about it?
It will probably be a bit like the year 2000 when the end was also near and combined with the fears that all the computers were going to crash. The world didn't end and the effect on computers was minimal. That said, the world is facing a lot of issues but we all have a huge desire to survive so I imagine we will cope and deal with conditions as they arise... as we always do. The fear thing is the problem... MEDIA loves fear, NEWS loves fear, POLITICIAN love fear - fear is used in many ways and probably none of them productive. I don't do fear. I do deal with it. Bad stuff is going to happen... no way around that. But that is the way of the world. Lastly, there is so much going on to deal with - I feel like it is a waste of all our energy to be afraid of stuff that hasn't happened. I'm getting sick of hearing the phrase "It isn't a matter of *if* it is a matter of *when*." Even when that when isn't for 600,000 years and at about .0000001% of happening in ones lifetime. Like Yellowstone exploding. We need to stop eating fear. It just creates anxiety.
I completely agree. But when you think of all the people in our society that have been actually diagnosed with anxiety and depression, the idea begins to surface that human beings might be a bit, addicted to it all. The whole idea that we can't stand it when something bad happens...when deep down in side we are, on a majority, addicted to these tragedies that occur and are broadcast on the evening news.
I completely agree with being annoyed with people constantly saying, "its not if, its when.." We all need to wake up and realize just how much energy is wasted on anticipation. I'm no Saint though, I worry tons more than I should about things I have no control over. I'm working on it though
no. i'm's scared. I ams hoarding carrwots as we speak...
The Mayans didn't do so well though did they? Why are they some sort of great authority?
Also, we are soon due for a change of the magnetic field, but it isn't instantaneous, and is gradual in its weakening and more rapidly recovering. We may become more vulnerable to solar radiation and such should this event occur, but there is no specific date set for it.
More info here:
I don't think it's just about the Mayans anymore though. The idea now is that there were many cultures that seemed to have 0 relationship with each other, that seemed to hold a common outlook on things to come. And of course that raises the realization of how truly advanced they all were for what they had available to them.
And yes, there is definitely some proven scientific data out there now, regarding events in space and such, that are due around the time the Mayan calendar supposedly "ends". So if anything it doesn't hurt to wonder and explore eh?
Thank you for the link by the way *smile*
Many cultures who star gazed were able to predict an alignment of stars or whatever they thought the lights in the sky were. It isn't coincidence, it is a bunch of different peoples using simple observation methods to come up with similar conclusions. The human brain now is the same as it was 10,000 years ago - we just have more recorded history and cool gadgets. This "so many cultures predict the same thing" from shows that fail to mention the simple explanation are selling fear - because fear sells. Big time. Nothing more. My mother in law has thought the end is near because of major earthquakes. See!!! She says whenever an earthquake happens. Except she doesn't realize that the earth has 100's of earthquakes a day. It's all normal. The earth is a dynamic structure. It is a think crust floating on molten lava and is shifting and drifting. This 2012 thing is garbage. Over population and climatic changes are real pressures but they are not support for the Mayans or Egyptians or Chinese or any other culture who was up on their astronomy. End of story.
Good points indeed. And I certainly hope that this type of information can help calm whatever fears I or others might have.
It's just nice to have more people pushing for this idea than the latter. Everyone in my life lately just seems to damn negative.
If I continue to allow them to effect me on a personal level, I might continue to feel as though I'm running in place in my life.
I have a tendency to think sometimes, "What's the point in trying to change NOW, if it's all just going to be over soon?". That kind of thinking only leaves me buried beneath the cement that I myself have piled up around my legs over the last few years. All observation, contemplation, regret...No Action.
Won't be for me. I plan on being in Hawaii, sitting on a rock at the edge of the sea naked, waiting for the end. If it doesn't come....boy am I gonna be embarrassed!!
I'm glad I've gotten the opportunity to post this before anyone else, but 12-21-2012 was never predicted as the end of the world. It was a miscalculation that someone made according to the Mayan Calender and is therefore not the "last date" on it.
Regardless, it's supposed to be a day that "a great change comes."
As far as my beliefs? It depends. If enough people believe in it, it just might happen. I for one... Well, I actually do hope something happens.
Well, I'm glad you posted that the date was inaccurate Somehow that doesn't surprise me.
I do hold a bit of belief in the idea that as a whole when we believe in something on a mass scale, we may have more power than we know. Honestly, I hope "something" happens as well, just that its going to take something HUGE to get people out of their aimless strolling through life. I suppose if something big happens, it may very well force the human race to change its ways once and for all.
It's wrong. I am of the understanding the world is going thru a change and is dawning a new way of thinking. More productive than ever before. How accepting society is going to be to it? Is another story entirely.
But, December 21, 2012 will be just another day of the year.
I agree in a sense with this too. The world is most definitely going through a change on many levels. I think the change begins with us as a people rather than anything a particular government could achieve. Its a shame we tend to forget how little of our brains are actually used, yet no one seems to be curious as to why that is or what is missing! I think we have yet to truly understand just how powerful we can be together.
There is nothing more powerful than the unity of the human race, as a civilization. It's the way of thinking that needs to be addressed. Certain truths need to be revealed, so as to let people in on the best quality of life possible. The potential is limitless, as is our knowledge and understanding of our existence.
I'm of the understanding that people needed to seek out and learn more about their own individual potential, instead of plopped in front of a tv or computer. There is a better way of life, where everyone can excel and not be a disruption to others.
That actually touches base on the Hub I just created on people's need to escape reality nowadays. I completely agree, the question is how on earth do we help ourselves as a whole create the change we so need
Well, I think you are possibly looking at it from the "wrong" angle. Only knowledge and wisdom(understanding) can anything change. We, as a society, need to realize, accept and move forward, with only truth as our guide.
I most certainly agree with this statement, the question though still lies, how do we come together? The last time I feel this happened in mass numbers and simply wasted away was during Vietnam with the Hippy era. I obviously didn't live then but in a sense I still feel that during this time a large number of humans found out how to use music(and drugs strangely enough) to rise up and join together in a positive way. Where did it go? We need that again I feel....with or without the drugs of course, whatever you're into =P
I agree we need to see what we have in our future. A site called http://www.bltc.com/ is on the right track, and Lawrence Krauss is also a great source of new scientific discovery.
Ernest thank you for this link! Seems they are most definitely on the right track.
Thank you. The BBC science show is another great source.
It takes a couple of years to read the BLTC site! I have known the operative David Pearce for many years, one very bright Englishman, and a lovely man to boot!
Yes, it will be a day like any other day. Except for the endless hype of fear mongers, religious zealots, and exploitive cable news stations.
Its shocking that the weather channels haven't done a segment on this. They should know more about this in my opinion.
Yes but wouldn't it be unfortunate if we later learned they know more than they are letting on? As if to avoid mass Panic?
I disagree.. if they know something, they need to inform the world. So we can do what we all need to do. This is outrageous, in my opinion. Hi globalserenity.
Oh don't get me wrong, if they know something, they should DEFINITELY let everyone know, I mean who are they to withhold such information ya know?
I'm only saying it would be unfortunate for everyone to find out that were the case. It would, in a sense be a good thing of course, then people could take their own lives back as they realize their individual power and potential...
Everything in a sense would change It would be a turning point none the less. Still an unfortunate day, to realize you're being lied to. But this wasn't supposed to take a conspiracy turn, not sure how that happened, sorry guys, =/
The world is not going to end in 2012. I'm more worried about being abducted by grey aliens.
OOooOOooOOOoo yea, the Grey ones are the worst =/
Um well, cmon..if you think the world is going to end in 2012..whom are you to say whats ludacris..Iwas just making an example lol
In all honestly? No...I don't deep down inside, feel with every bit of my heart and soul that the world will end that day, or even that year. Its just that tiny little doubt monster, that curiosity gremlin that gives me the urge to at least, discuss it with people
No, the grey ones are not coming but the pink ones, and they will teach us stupid earthlings a lesson: to leave the negative thinking behind and to start to think in a positive way to build a better future on this spaceship Earth.
i anxiously await the new beginning i've been 'promised' haha seriously though, i really think a lot of people are unhappy with their lives and the world so its comforting to latch onto some future date which promises change, for better or worse, change is change. look at obama.
i do hope for a "new beginning" in my wildest dreams the "good" world and the "bad" world diverge where those on the "good" world experience the golden age and those on the "bad" world perpetuate their negativity amongst themselves. big dreams, however delusional they may be to some people, gets me by.
i do feel that there are changes socially and environmentally that would indicate a possible change is coming, but i've come to understand that whatever one wishes to believe can be verified by some proof, however circumstantial.
honestly, i will admit that i don't really know what will happen, only what i want to happen.
no one knows what will happen, anyone who offers their opinion as anything more is a fool, imho.
Of course if anyone offers their opinion as anything more, I'm sure we'll be able to differentiate on our own between an actual truth and their opinion. I feel its silly in any situation to claim that you know what you couldn't possibly know, but at the very least, I suppose it would spice things up eh? jk...
According to modern-day Mayans, the Mayan Calendar was never meant to predict anything other than the solstices and equinoxes. It does, however, make a nice piece of art.
No, it won't be just another day, it'll be my son's 7th birthday .
However, for the rest of the world...yes, I think it will be just another day.
December 21 2012 will be the winter Solstice the Sun will rise in Aquarius. It will be the beginning of a new age. The Mayans were very good with astronomy and are very correct that 2012 will be the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Now let's hold hands and sing.
BTW If the Mayans could foresee the end of the world you think they would have known the Spanish were coming to annihilate their civilization.
You've gotta be joking
..... Age of Aquarius... You Mean they are re-releasing the musical 'Hair' again?
There is an End of The World Party at Randy Godwin's place the night before.... tickets are available via his site.
But Please: Drinks are free.. But Bring Your Own Fate!
I think they just chose to small a stone to chisel.
That point shows promise! And I'm an Aquarius, soooooo that damn "Hair" song has always been like a personal theme song in a way =P
Thy sky is divided into twelve sections the zodiak it is not an astrology thing it is an astronomy phenomona on 12/21/2012 when the sun rises it will rise in the area of the sky held by the aquarius constellation. It takes thousands of years to go through an age.
In all honesty I expect to be particularly sarcastic on that day, which will be just a mild change from any other December day. As to the prognostication should “that” day arrive, like most hump days, I think I shall just skip it and go directly to Thursday.
I am with the firm belief that each day is what one makes of it. Each day is new and if happy is held with open arms with love's warm embrace...well, life can be so much better. This forthcoming day is of no consequence to me as yet, I live today.
It will be a normal day, guess we will be too busy to notice it too as it is 4 days before Christmas.
Dec 21 2012 will not be that diffrent than the day before or after it. I do believe however that there is a change already in progress that brings us closer to our final outcome.
It is almost like we are watching dozens of trains approaching the same intersection at the same time.
Maybe we can get their attention and apply the breaks.
And maybe not.
How many times of religious fanatics said the end of times is coming, given a specific date and been wrong? This is just a smooth way of seeking converts.
So true, creating hype seems to be an addiction in a way, and yes, they've done it numerous times before. look at Y2K!
Y2k was very different. There was a precise problem that needed to be fixed. Because of the diligent work of so many people for years who fixed inadequate computer coding that didn't know how to deal with the change of a millenium - we averted a potentially large crisis.
The 2012 hype has no basis in fact at any level. I was thinking more of religious zealots like Hal Lindsey who have numerous times called for the end of the earth. There was no basis in fact for that as well. Why people choose to put more faith in ancient civilization and romaticize lost culture that respect today's advances baffles me. If I had time I would write a hub on past predictions of the end of the earth from people like Lindsey and his cohorts.
Don't get me wrong, I completely agree, the two events in time are hardly comparable, only really by the nature with which people reacted to hearing the news. I know in my immediate circle of counterparts there were many so called predictions of what might happen, all of them seemed to be a worst possible scenario. Almost as if that's what my acquaintances were craving. All of the reports on the news of people buying out grocery stores of water and canned goods, creating underground bunkers and such...fascinating really. All I did was party my ass off and it was a party I'll never forget. For that I say "Thank you Y2K!"
Yes it will be the same as other days, fascinating debate in the religious forums here at hubpages, taxes rising and rich people selling crap!
What if it was a situation of thinking it's going to happen so people create it? I doubt if the day will be any more or less violent than any other day, BUT if enough people really believed it, what would that cause?
good so far K, Thanks K for reading my hub, how about you
but I dont like to think of days in 2012 in advcance we are in for harder times, but life must go on, and we should stay happy
Sometimes the truth is as obvious as the umbrella in our hand and yet we do not see it.
I have to go to work in a few minutes, wish I could stay and see where this conversation is going.
We do not have to see the simple answer to a simple question with technical difficulty
I like that you are enjoying the topic..I was pretty sure it would spark some interest from different angles
and yes, I feel the truth is always extremely obvious, almost sad how close we always are to it....not sure why I feel that way, its just something you....feel....I suppose =/
Personally, I intend to go to an "end of the world" party and have some fun, other than that, I will treat it the same way I treat every other day (I could die today for all I know)... each day is precious.
Damn straight! working in a hospital for like....well my entire adult life pretty much, I learned what we all...truly....should already know. And that is that you just never know.
And don't get me wrong, I plan to party hard with the best of em....even planning on making the entire year leading up to that all about spiritual discovery, and focusing on just simply having a freakin blast!
The Great Cycle, lasting 1,872,000 days and equivalent to 5,125.36 years, is but one fifth of the Great Great Cycle, known scientifically as the Great Year or the Platonic Year - the length of the precession of the equinoxes. To use a metaphor from the modern industrial world, on Winter Solstice CE (Common Era) 2012 it is as if the Giant Odometer of Humanity on Earth hits 100,000 miles and all the cycles big and small turn over to begin anew. The present world age will end and a new world age will begin. (I clipped this from the link I provided)
Out with the old and in with the new; what ever that intails? How is that going to work?
I don't think that the OLD system is going to like it very much,
It is an astronomical and mathematical truth. It means nothing except what it is. .
The proverbial "they" certainly won't like it, that you can bet on. Its funny that the one thing that remains the same is change itself, yet it seems to be the one thing that drives people insane...any change to our current, out-dated way of doing things can't be all bad I feel.
Cosmic year ending prediction is said to be in that date,
Therefor, if many ancient cultures agree in that point; there should be something really awesome awaiting!
It our world is ending.. that shouldn't be exciting. Or etc. This sounds horrible. I do not want the world to end. Nor anyone to die. This is really a horrible way to die, hi motricio. Frienz4lif
What everyone is really talking about is human extinction. The world and something has proven it will survive... and if there is something catastrophic - all life will not end. It will rebuild. It is how this place works. The Mayan thing is crap, though. As is the alignments. These alignments happen all the time and the net effect gravitationally speaking is nil. Mankind will fall to mankind or disease or a comet - not to a gravitational alignment. To fear this stuff is wasted energy. If it is going to happen, it is going to happen. Why fret?
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You guys who are still comparing 2012 to Y2K are driving me crazy.
You should be comparing 2012 to the "dawning of the age of aquarious" or other biblical prophesies, or other New Age drivel.
Y2K required hundreds of millions of dollars of upgrades to preclude any problems. The fact that you didn't have to deal with this and that the upgrades worked doesn't mean that the problems wasn't real. Yes, there was media hype, but that doesn't mean the issue wasn't true. That it is possible to solve problems before they become unmanageable, doesn't mean that the problem didn't exist in the first place.
Hi one and all, I just emailed www.weatherchannel.com a few minutes ago. To ask them what will happen on 2012. I also asked them to make a "special report" on this matter to inform us what we are to do.
The only significant thing that is going to happen on 12/21/2012 is the sunrise. It has been thousands of years since it rose in the part of the sky held by the constellation Aquarius.. The Mayans studied the sky and could predict the exact position of the sun thousands of years ago.
The prediction is correct but misinterpreted.
The Mayans would call it the end of an age not the world. The story has been twisted out of proportion. It is like a car's odometer rolling over 100,000 it does not mean the end of your car you just have to start at one again.
We do it every year this is just on a much larger scale.
And that is how I feel as well, regardless of my occasional doubts.
I'm glad this was brought up, if only for the lively discussion. I have watched many shows about the Mayan calendar, and I have always wondered the same as mentioned earlier-if they were intending to predict the end of the world so to speak, why didn't they see their own coming... Personally, I have always thought that it was kind of like when man invented the wheel. Yes it was a great invention for them, and showed a great grasp of their "time" as they understood it, but just because the clock only went to a certain date, didn't mean they didn't intend to build a new one when the first one was no longer effective. Kind of like needing to rewind a grandfather clock after a period of time. There may indeed be a "new age" coming, but I don't think it is going to be controlled by astrology or astronomy. I feel it will be because of a slow shift in humanity from hopefully all of the negativity and useless killing that goes on every day all over the world. Hopefully, we will as a whole, become more enlightened and tolerant, and begin to use the huge part of our brains that is indeed wasted everyday. Someone mentioned this earlier, and I agree with them. Sure, it is an intriguing thought to ponder, that an ancient civilization could possibly predict the end of the world, but personally, I think people's interpretations later on as time has gone by that have caused much more to be read into this clock than was originally intended by it's creators. From what I understand of it, it was used primarily for marking summer and winter soltices, for perhaps marking certain feast and gathering times for rituals for fertility of crops, etc.
I really don't get the idea, after watching a LOT of documentaries, etc. about this clock, that it was mean't for any other purpose than the ones I have mentioned. If I am wrong, then so be it, but that is just my honest opinion about the whole thing.
Besides, wasn't it Oral Roberts or Jerry Falwell that kept insisting the world was ending a few years ago, but if people would send in their money, it might make it not happen, lol!
Roughtide, hello and thank you for joining this discussion. It seems you and I are on the same page, which is to say, I agree with you immensely
Yeah, it is going to be just another day. People are always looking for some master plan, whether it is positive or negative.
Yes it will. I also remember 1 - 1 - 2000. Everything went along. No end of the world either. I bet the people in 1000 AD thought the end of the world was coming. Well, they recieved a rude awakening.
Life went on.
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