!0,000 plus more refugees coming into our country. We have no say about that??

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   gregasposted 7 years ago

   !0,000 plus more refugees coming into our country. We have no say about that??
   
   They are bringing all of these refugees into our country and finding homes for them and we don't have a say about that. They are able to find homes and jobs for them. WHAT ABOUT OUR OWN PEOPLE LIVING ON THE STREETS?

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   Ericdierkerposted 7 years ago

   I think I get your angst but there is a problem here with social justice. We cannot not do something because something else is in need of attention. If we followed that logic we would have excuses to not do anything.
   
   Should we as human beings allow folks to run away from their own really screwed up country? Where would it stop? What would have happened if the American revolutionaries just packed up and ran. What would have happened if those in the Union just ran from the confederacy? What would it be like if MLK was a runner? I just think of all those poor Indians had Ghandi been a runner. Can we forget Mandela?
   When we accept the notion that when things get horrible in our country we cut and run -- horrible will and indeed does flourish. These refugees did not stand up to the tyranny of decades. They watched as brothers were murdered and worse and stayed quiet.
   "Let me run with my children and let other children be killed"
   Sorry but the middle east has been and is filled with runners. They have got to begin to take national responsibility for the mass murderers they have done nothing to prevent or remove from power -- they just run to someplace else with their problems.
   Really harsh and not very loving,,, or is it loving and the best for them in the long run?

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      gregasposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, I agree totally with your point. But that isn't what my concern is here. I think we should be MORE concerned with our own before we LET the refugees run away from their country to ours..

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      Aime Fposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Thing is that many Syrians don't feel like there's a side worth fighting for, it's lose-lose either way, and they don't have the resources to fight in their own separate army.

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      gregasposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      But does that mean we have to take them in and support them. If we can find homes and jobs for the refugees why can't we do that for our own.

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      Aime Fposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      But you DO have programs dedicated to helping US citizens. No, it doesn't mean you *have* to help them. But I'd say it's basic human decency to extend a helping hand to families who wake up every day afraid they're going to be blown to bits.

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   Aime Fposted 7 years ago

   A quick Google search tells me that federal funding for programs addressing homelessness is at an all time high in the US.  Basic economics tell us that it's stupid and ineffective to put all of your resources towards one cause until it's "fixed".  You have to prioritize and then spread out the spending.  It looks like the US government IS prioritizing homelessness - that doesn't mean they should or that it's wise to put ALL resources towards one type of social program. 
   
   So are you opposed to all other spending going towards social programs or just the ones that help people who weren't lucky enough to be born in your country?

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      gregasposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I am for helping our own before we help other countries. Some of the people on the streets are there because they had a run of bad luck. Some for other reasons. And some are even American Vets. But do they get help, NO.

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      Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The reason we are lucky to be born in this country is those who did not run from tyranny. They lost families, homes and lived in fear but stuck it out to leave us this legacy.

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      Aime Fposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Of course they should get help but again that doesn't mean you have to or should focus on only *one* kind of struggle. I could name a hundred important issues worth spending money on, that's why it's important to focus on multiple areas.

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      jponiatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Greg, I'm not sure you can make the claim that American vets don't get help.  As of this writing, they get vocational training and rehab, even post-secondary educational help.  They can even get living expense subsidies during education.

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      Aime Fposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, just because people are fleeing doesn't mean plenty aren't still there fighting. Don't forget that there were American refugees during the Civil War & that plenty of ppl who fought were literally required to by law.

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      Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Aime, I think we can agree there is no "just because" here. It is more complicated than that. If a nation's hardship is not born by it's citizenry then it rests in the hands of a tyrant. If citizens to not accept responsibility for their country????

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      Aime Fposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      People have a right to choose life & safety. There's a reason countries have had to rely on drafts-ppl die faster than they sign up to fight. I'll never fault anyone for wanting to protect their family. Whether that's by fighting or by leaving.

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      Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      And it is that thinking "I cannot do anything" that created Hitler and the Holocaust. Better that things happen to others as long as I get mine, in this case a way out. Bad things happen when good men do nothing.

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      Aime Fposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hitler was all about what you're promoting (national pride and refusing to admit defeat). Lots of people died fighting and many couldn't find refuge even when they tried. You think all the Jews being able to leave & not dying would have ended wor

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   ptosisposted 7 years ago

   10,000 is a fraction of what Europe has.

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      gregasposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      We don't need any and look at what is happening to them. To many terrorists can sneak through.

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   lovemychrisposted 7 years ago

   they are in the position theyre in because of us. because of usa and israel neocons quest for world domination. funded by saudi money. it would be immoral not to help victims of what we created. and we can darn well afford to help americans, too. trillions of dollars in tax give aways sit in offshore banks. a 1% tax on biz transactions could end world poverty. its not regular people who are to blame, its the greedmongers. we all suffer for their egotistical power grabs.

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      Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      We definitely have a part in it. But it is my understanding that currently it is them against them. And that this has been a tradition since about 2,000 BC.
      If only a large bureaucratic government could use that 1% properly.

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      chris7800posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The war in Syria is a CIVIL war (Syrians against Syrians), and the entire  region has been plagued by such wars for a very long time. Conspiracy theories about world domination aside, we are not obligated to take in Syrian refugees, but should help.

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      lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      but we pick sides, dont we? we help kill people, dont we? we are morally obligated to help. those who further our cause may live, those who stand in our way must die. civil/shmivil....so why are we there?

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   tamarawilhiteposted 7 years ago

   There is a reflexive sympathy by the political left for the poor outside the nation while ignoring those currently suffering, in part because those already here and dependent can be trusted to vote Democrat.
   You see the same issue with vets dying waiting for VA care while unaccompanied minors for Central America in 2015 received free lodging in old luxury hotels and free medical care.
   Ask a Native American who can't get medical care or housing assistance when the budget runs out in summer what they think of illegal immigrants and "refugees" getting both types of aid when they arrive.

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      lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      you just said left doesnt want to help americans, then said they keep them dependent for votes....?.....and its the tea publicans that control the money. set the agenda, decide who gets paid. if vets in trouble, talk to them!

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   wingedcentaurposted 7 years ago

   Hi Greg Schweizer! How's it going?
   
   I see, from your profile, you're from Corona, California?
   
   Now then, what is this about "10,000 plus more refugees coming into our country"? I hadn't heard that the United States has become a huge outlet of "refugees."
   
   I thought Middle Eastern countries like Jordan, and relatively stable places like that were accepting "refugees" from various Middle Eastern conflagrations.
   
   Are you referring to one or another Middle Eastern conflagration --- some of which were precipitated by a U.S. "War on Terror"?
   
   If, say, the disorder in Iraq, can be laid at the feet of the United States at all then: What, if any, humanitarian responsibility would America have to Iraqi displaced?
   
   What are we talking about?

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