What's more important - The possible Russian hack or the exposed lies from the D

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   The Old Guardposted 8 years ago

   What's more important - The possible Russian hack or the exposed lies from the Democrats?
   
   We've had the opportunity to see inside the workings of the DNC and Hillary Clinton.
   The expose from Wikileaks shows that Clinton lied about her emails, possible bribe offerings to the FBI agents, lies about obama's knowledge of Clintons illegal use of a private server, the collusion of DNC to rig the primaries.
   The Democrats defer answering questions about these lies by saying that Russia hacked into their servers and that it was illegal.
   What's more important to you? The exposure of the corruption or the fact that it's a possible hack by the Russians. (The FBI says they have no proof)
   
   

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   dashingscorpioposted 8 years ago

   
   
   Any time a foreign country hacks into another country's system it's a threat to their national security.
   This trumps any "infighting" between two candidates.
   Today it's the DNC tomorrow it could be nuclear codes, electric grids, the CIA, FBI, or Pentagon.
   Multiple intelligence briefings confirm it's Russia. Then again we were also told Saddam Hussein had Weapons Mass Destruction.
   Not long ago North Korea hacked into Sony Entertainment.
   We've also seen major businesses like Target, Home Depot, and Yahoo recently hacked. Cyber warfare could eclipse military and terrorist action. It will become the number one tool for spying.

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      Hxprofposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yep, spot on.

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      The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      So, who's hacking is more important than the lies our government, the DNC and hillary are telling us?
      There wasn't much of an uproar until the lies were exposed - by obama, the DNC and hillary. Wonder why?
      What about the U.S. hacking?

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   lions44posted 8 years ago

   The security breach is far more important. We already knew that Clinton was corrupt.  Nothing has come out that is shocking. They are all scheming.
   
   But hacking into our servers impacts our national security.  What's next? The grid?

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      The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Ok - the government of the U.S. hacks - even hacks into their own citizens emails and phones. That's ok?
      Kind of like us bombing is ok, but others bombing the same way is not?
      Who's hacking is less important than the corruption, in my opinion.

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   Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years ago

   
   
   These are two totally separate issues, actually totally unrelated so the choice you propose is not a valid one.
   
   Hacking by any country has nothing to do with them releasing what they hack, whether or not they do it is a threat to national security and every resource possible should be employed to stop it.
   
   The government knows hacking by Russia has gone on since the implementation of computers. Either it can't be totally stopped or discouraged or the government is incompetent at dealing with the problem, or more likely both.
   
   OK so let's assume everyone is for national security and against hacking our government, it's leaders or even it's citizens. This is in everybody's mind without a doubt of prime importance, is it not? Unless of course they are of a subversive nature.
   
   Now let's look at the issue of exposing lies from the democrats, or any party for that matter. Isn't it true that in a democratic Republic and for it to function as it should, the truth and therefore the exposure of lies is paramount to it's functioning as a Democracy and as a defense against tyranny. No one would disagree with that, unless they were of a subversive nature.
   
   So neither situation is more important than the other, they are both equally a matter of national security and of utmost importance and neither should be ignored at the expense of the other. That is to say we cannot ignore the exposure of lies because they emanate from an illegal hacking and we cannot ignore that illegal hacking is a threat to our national security.
   
   In the end the real problem, the real question is,
   
   "What is the best way to protect the country from hacking and to protect the country from lies propagated by those running the government or running for office?"
   
   And the answer is as plain as the nose on your face, don't propagate lies to achieve subversive ends that can be exposed. The fact that Obama is so afraid Hillary's 33,000,000 emails will be released he's contemplating war with Russia begs the question if those emails were purely personal, about such things as yoga classes and her grandchild, containing nothing related to government, as Hillary said under oath, what is he worried about? See if these charlatans were honest, leaked emails would just be a feather in their Bonnet and not an excuse to go to war.
   
   Yeah it all boils down to the fact that this government is corrupt to it's core, from the top down, corruption that seeps into the citizenry over time developing a culture of corruption, immorality, deceit and lies that keeps the worst of the worst in power. And when those lies can no longer by exposed, Tyranny has taken over. An honest person could not function in the way these emails demonstrate the Hillary camp goes about their business, This would make an honest person literally ill. So what is it with people like Hillary and her camp, what kind of human beings are they?

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      The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed, both important - stop the hacking and stop the corruption.
      But, the U.S. hacks as much as anyone. Why have two sets of standards for the same thing? It's OK for the U.S. to hack, while others cannot? U.S. even lied about spying in the U.S.??

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      Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not sure anything that is being done by this administration is OK we know they aren't trustable.If he US is hacking solely for our national security,not to endanger/threaten the security of other nations why wouldn't that be OK?

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      The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      When has the U.S. government NOT interfered with another country when they've hacked? Similar to Iraq? Interfere for our "national security" - that's worked out well. We can't trust the U.S. inside our borders, what's going to be different outside?

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      Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don't follow u.When has the US hacked another country aiming to endanger/threaten their national security other than enemies of the US?If they have I'd say that is wrong but that doesn't make hacking intelligence for our defense wrong.

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      The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Guess you forgot about the obama admin. hacking into European leaders emails and phone conversations. I'd say "friendly" as they get. But, hey. what's a little spying on "friends". Nothing to read here, move along.......

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      Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      But what did they do with information to compromise their security?I heard of nothing they didn't reveal secrets or endanger lives,but as I said I wouldn't trust BO.Still it is negligent to not use hacking as an instrument of our security.

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      The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Dont taze - one of the reason we have international control over the internet - the Europeans lost trust in the U.S. The U.S. spies and hacks everyone. We have no moral high ground that I know of.

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      Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The rest of the international"controllers"don't?It's naive to believe that.You still didn't answer my question,what did they do with information to compromise their security?How do you know the US hacks everybody?U &me, everybody?

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      The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Don't taze,
      Mega data saved by the NSA on all electronic communications stored at a $5 billion facility in Utah.
      Fake cell towers to eaves drop on U.S. citizens phone conversations
      FISA a secret court used by NSA - No defense atty's allowed

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       Dont Taze Me Broposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       So you think provisions of the patriot act are the same as hacking enemies computers to defend our country? There is a difference and what you cite has little to nothing to do with the internet.You are straying from what I'm saying.

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   tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

   The Democrats corruption and bribery is far worse than the hacking.
   The hacking of the DNC by perhaps Russia is barely different than China's hack of the Office of Personnel Management the year before.

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      If the RNC's emails were as damning as that of the Democrats, I'd feel as angry about them as Democrats should feel about the DNC's immoral, illegal acts.

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      FBI Data Dump Shows Clinton is Criminal and Clueless
      Hillary is either dishonest or dumb—there is no third choice
      http://observer.com/2016/09/fbi-data-du … d-clueless

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      The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I agree Tamara,
      The corruption is worse than the hacking - whether if be done by a foreign government or internally.
      For if the corruption is not stopped, our freedoms will be lost. Of this, I am certain.
      Have a great week!
      Cheers

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   CJWood71posted 8 years ago

   I think both issues are important.  Cyber security is a very serious reality in the modern world, especially when it involves a foreign government and our elected officials need to use all resources to combat this threat.
   
   However, I also feel that the corruption revealed in these leaks needs to be addressed. Nobody should receive a "free pass" simply because the American people were not supposed to find out.

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      The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Both issues are important.
      But, if the corruption goes on, and our cyber security is great, are  we better off?
      The U.S. does the same thing to other countries, are we on a higher moral ground?
      Things to ponder!
      Cheers

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