Did Jarrod Kushner have the right to create a "back channel" to Russia?

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   Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago

   Did Jarrod Kushner have the right to create a "back channel" to Russia?
   
   It seems Trump's son-in-law is being investigated for trying to get a Russian designed encrypted line to one of Russia's suspected spies. This would be acceptable if he was already installed in the government, but not as a private citizen.
   
   Furthermore, he also had contact with one of Russia's already sanctioned former KGB operatives who now runs a bank. Where will all of the Russia connections end?

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   lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

   theyre all russian agents. it wont end until that familly is gone. and not only that family, turns out mcconnell, ryan, guliani, pence, nunes...all have ties to russia as well. who knows how many more?  its because america is a baby in cultural terms.  ussr has been around for centuries. subterfuge is an art. you can read about the assassin's...how they cultivate members. any military uses certain techniques to mold you. and the kgb is a master at subterfuge/espionage. have you seen the kremlin? its massive. imagine all those people working at deceipt!  of course, we have our own, and not knocking them....
   just think americans are a little naive and gullible to true, naked i dont give a sh*t. and that is trump, imo. after no bank in america would touch him, russia helped him out. you think they did it out of the goodness of heart? no way. trump owes them. and hes delivering. we are split with europe now. merkel doesnt trust us. his good friends are horrible regimes. and as we are learning now, it was his lawyer that wrote up that plan and hand-delivered it  to flynn....the one where we lift all the sanctions on russia.
   any idiot can figure it out. if an american offers to set up secret channell in russian territory, outside of usa knowledge....who do you think the benefit is for?? c'mon. we all might have been born at night, but not last night!!!! no, he had no right to do it. hes working on behalf of russia in the hallowed halls of the us gvt. get those traitors the hell out of there!
   my opinion!

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Is there anyone in Trump's bunch who hasn't been in contact with the Russians? And why are they trying to keep any documents from the various investigations if there's no there there?

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      lovemychrisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      exactly. you dont hide if you have nothing to hide. its called consciousness of guilt.if you accuse me, im saying, go ahead and look,im clean. obviously, hes durdy durdy durdy. and thinking he'll get out of it,like all else in his life.not this time.

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      ptosisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Asserting your right to privacy is not in itself suspicious. That's a false argument. Need to have a reasonable and articulable reason to be suspicious. (can't be a 'gut feeling') I think we passed that standard at this time, 'witch hunt' or not.

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      lovemychrisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      welp,id say a non elected son in law whos talking to a sanctioned bank and seeking private convos at russian point of origin is cause for suspicion. just pretend its hillary..you all want her imprisoned for a private server.pretend its chelseas hubby

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      True Chris, if this had been Hillary's son-in-law the Cons would've had a s#it fit!  LOL! What hypocrites they are on the religious right.

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      lovemychrisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      yup. one iota of what dumpy has done would have this tea party congress activating impeachment and more. its partisan politics and partisan law. lock them up for marijuana...maximum penalty! let them go for aiding and abetting enemy.i want separation

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   Readmikenowposted 4 years ago

   This is a non story.  Back channels to other countries have been created by presidents since the time of George Washington.  Where was the media when Obama had a back channel with IRAN?  Why wasn't it an issue then?
   
   Here's an interesting story that puts things in perspective. 
   
   https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/po … c6b4f75257

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      lovemychrisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      ummm  did obama do it out of the eyes and ears of american intelligence? was he offering to do it in iran secure location, not telling usa? this is traitorous. patriotism is sure watered down in trumpland. smh

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Chris is correct. Obama was in office and didn't try and hide his contacts with Iran from US intelligence by using Iran's technology. Completely different!

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      Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      You people are too much. You ask questions when answers are available. Obama had secret back channels to Russia, Cuba, Iran and others. This is a fact.  http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 … ussia.html

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      Ericdierkerposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      If Ford makes a deal for a plant in China this law would have no effect. All of Europe has contracts with Russia for oil. Some nation to nation some private. So have we for over 20 years. Interesting intellectually.

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I notice neither Mike or Eric commented on Kushner's attempt to use Russian encrypted lines so US intel could not monitor their conversations. That's because this is a problem for son-in-law. Name someone from the US doing the same please guys.

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      Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Randy, here's why...the story is based on "according to U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports." No names, no way to verify, this U.S. Official could be the janitor who cleaned the room next door. That's why it's called "fake news"

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      lovemychrisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      huh? trump didnt deny it. he said jared was trying to broker peace in Syria. unelected, trump not prez yet, but sure...thats believable. i mean, thats why he had secret meeting with russian  bank under us sanction. he was going to buy peace. riiiight

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Mike, you seem to be one of those DT fans who, even though he screws up so often, will stand by him no matter what he does. DT was right about one thing. Even if he murdered someone in plain sight you make excuses for him. You have a rude awakening

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      lovemychrisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      they wont wake up. they will blame big bad devilly libtards for unrightfully persecuting poor victim trump and his poor money-grubbing family. hillary made money on speeches, dammit! trump is innocent!

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       Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       I cannot wait for the Trumpsters to find out how bad they've been used. Talking bout blaming everyone but Donnie Boy. And I do indeed mean "Boy." He's certainly not adult enough to be called a "man".

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       lovemychrisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       when you play with fire, you get burned. he owes putin, and we are paying his dues. the fact that hes giving russia their spy compound back should let everyone see whats going on! our problem is vlad. how deep are his claws in our gvt?

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       bradmasterOCcalposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Mike
       
       Thanks

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       Ewentposted 3 years agoin reply to this

       So, basically if Kushner creates a back channel that leaves out any right of the people to know what is being discussed, that's okay with you? Good.
       
       44 other presidents knew what being a president meant. Only your beligerent little boys don't.

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       lovemychrisposted 3 years agoin reply to this

       Its just so sad. Im feeling beaten down by it all. The fact that all of this is just fine by so many people is truly disheartening. Of course i know the klan behind it has been at it for aeons, but its the acceptance of it all thats hard to swallow.

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   ptosisposted 4 years ago

   
   
   Trump tweet prior to Jan 20 broke the tradition of 'one president at a time. This is another instance of  "acceptable if he was already installed in the government, but not as a private citizen."
   
   Vnesheconombank (VEB) sanctioned by EU & US over Ukraine crisis. It is supported from the Finance Ministry and the central bank of Russia to stay afloat.
   
   Kushner, a private citizen, was conducting political relations diametrically opposed to official USA policy. Conducting Foreign Relations Without Authority: The Logan Act  - https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33265.pdf
   
   The Logan Act, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953, states:  Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any  foreign  government  or  any  officer  or  agent  thereof,  in  relation  to  any  disputes  or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign  government  or  the  agents  thereof  for  redress  of  any  injury  which  he  may  have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

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      Ericdierkerposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I figured on this one CNN would be a good source. They say it has never been used. My memory says once. We must be clear that just negotiating a contract is not covered.

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Kushner was attempting to converse with a  Russian banker who was already under sanctions from the US and attempting to evade oversight. What a moron. Almost as dumb as his father-in-law! LOL

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      ptosisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      "negotiating a contract is not covered" : please send link that says this. Thank you.

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      Ericdierkerposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Wrong the Banker was not under sanctions.

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, the banker has been under sanctions for over 3 years. Said banker also funded Trump's beauty pageant in Russia a few years ago. Funny how these things seem to be connected isn't it. Where the hell do you get your news from anyway? Faux News?

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      Ericdierkerposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      The sanctions placed on Russia had to do with Ukraine. Not individuals in the banking industry. The sanctions are truly minimal. We also sanctioned "Space" yet cosmonauts are on the space station with US. The sanctions are cosmetic/politic.

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      The banker was still under sanction, Eric. Kushner had no business dealing with him, either private or political. Apparently patriotism is not one of your strongest emotions.

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      Ericdierkerposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Easy Randy -- you do not know my service record. You do not know the security clearances I have had and you certainly do not know how I represented US interest abroad. I am positive you know nothing about international strategic commodities.

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      And likewise, you know nothing about my experiences, Eric. You'd be surprised at the intel connections I have.
      
      I do know the way Kushner went about trying to create a Russian encrypted back channel has caught the eye of many intelligence experts.

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       Ericdierkerposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Randy please apologize as we both are very patriotic and we know it means a lot to both of us. So calling me less than Patriotic is clearly a personal attack. Where I live it is clearly defamation of Character. I am sure you see my point.

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       Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       I apologize for nothing, Eric. A real patriot would be just as concerned about these Russian connections as I am. Do you really believe this stuff is all made up? The fact you trust the buffoon says more about your patriotism than I can.

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       Ericdierkerposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Randy if you knew what a patriot was you would yank off that trite Camo you wear and give it to Veteran. But I assume you hate veterans because they are real men and women and not those who attack their commander and chief. POTUS CAC get it?

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       Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       True patriotism doesn't have a color, Eric. Nor a party for that matter. I will attack any traitor who endangers our country with ignorance and arrogance. Trump is the most dishonest president in our country's history and you helped elect him. Enjoy!

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       lovemychrisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       You all are so funny. I guess you dont remember the attacks on bill clinton and barack obama by those swift-boating vets. Dont renember how much you all attacked clinton and obama....and youze always said "i respect the office, not this president".

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   peoplepower73posted 4 years ago

   The last time I looked, there is always been one president at a time, except for Trump as candidate and  president elect.  While Obama was  busy putting sanctions on Putin, Trump and Company were busy cutting deals with Putin and associates to not only meddle in our election process, but to remove sanctions.  Is it treason? 
   
   Here is Article 3 - The Judicial Branch
   Section 3 - Treason:
   
   "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
   
   The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Those who claim Kushner was doing something ordinary do not realize these back channels are always set up through our intel agencies, not with the enemy's technology. This breaks the rules and could be punished with up to 3 years in prison.

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      ptosisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      "these back channels are always set up through our intel agencies," ????Please send link to this info Thank you.

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't get this info from a link, Ptosis. This is according to intel experts who have experience in such. Unless you believe Fox News, that is. LOL!

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      Ericdierkerposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Randy they are just wrong. The Department of State running embassies set them up. Sure CIA might aid but not run the connection. It is so common in business that you go through the embassy. Private citizens run back channels.

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Common citizens do not try to dupe the US intel agencies by using an encrypted Russian line. So what do you think Jared had to hide from our government intel agencies?
      
      This ought to be good!

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      Ericdierkerposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Wrong again Randy. The intel agencies can't keep with enhanced private security. Of course financial dealings are secured with encryption just being one method.

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      lovemychrisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      oh, so he lets russian intel hear what they talk about, just not american intel!....got news for him; american intel knows. as does british, canadian, australian,etc. bye bye jared

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      Ericdierkerposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Randy attacks his fully elected Commander and Chief and declares others non-Patriotic? Can someone see the fallacy here. Randy hates the US Gov. but declares other non patriot. Randy is ready to get his ass sued by me. Fighting Defamatory.

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      lovemychrisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      wow...we can do that? cool! ive been told i hate america, hate jews, hate myself, and  enjoy killing babies! your pal paula called me trash. you just said randy hates the us gvt...lawyer up, baby!

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       Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Sue away, Eric. LOL! Better ask your daughter first though.

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