With Trump being officially investigated for Obstruction of Justice, will he survive the ordeal?
Today the Washington Post revealed--through 5 separate sources--Bob Mueller is officially investigating Trump for Obstruction of Justice. The last two Senate interviews with Trumps's cabinet members had them try a cute trick of not answering important questions despite not claiming Executive Privilege. Even though Trump knew they were going to be questioned, he didn't claim EP because they'd agreed to stall the investigation.
Now Mueller can demand answers despite any claim of EP, as well as, go through DT's taxes with a fine toothed comb. What say you Trump defenders and protagonists?
Its going to come down to whether this republican congress will do the right thing. And my hopes on this are not high. They have shown nothing but naked partisanship and lust for power: Americans not even on the list of concerns.
As john lewis said, this is a fight for the soul of america...now john mccain also investigated for taking russian money...paul ryan. Mcconnell, forget it. Hes a gd toad. Sanderites taking over dem party...they dont care about russian hacking either. Cause they hate hillary.
The integrity is being tested. I know where i stand. Waiting for real repubs to kick these shit-starters out.
Not holding my breathe....but my little heart is hoping and hoping in justin amash.
I know what you mean, Chris. The real patriots will make themselves known before long. The greedy politicians will be apparent as well. There's always good that comes from disaster, and this will be no different.
Criminal investigation. Financial dealings. "Follow the money"....this will end him. Hed do best to step down, and take pence, sessions, nunes, ryan and mcconnell with him. Lets see if he has a brain in his head. Ego vs self-preservation.Which wins??
Are you guys talking section 1510 - Obstruction?
I just can't find a code section regarding obstruction that fits this case.
He fired everyone who was investigating him. Obstruction. Cause hes big man donald, and he can. Has lied about all his russia ties. Some are saying he paid the hackers and the fsb. If he stops mueller, whats that say? If hes innocent, why obstruct?
So now I think I understand. We are using the word obstruct in the common banter about sense. We are not talking about any crime. Since there is no code section that makes what he did a crime. Am I right on that.
Its a crime to obstruc an investigation is it not?Thats what hes doing.And its a crime to lie under oath?Sessions did.And if a common person stonewalled and refused to answer questions,like coates and friend,theyd be in contempt.No 1 is above the law
Chris, obstruct the way you are using it is not a crime. A legal definition of obstruct is far more restrictive in it's notions. It is not obstruction for instance, not to answer question and refuse to give evidence. It is not obstruction to be boss.
If boss is accused of something and then proceeds to remove all people trying to find out if its true,said boss is guilty of obstructing justice.This particular boss works for 300 million people..250 mil of which are not happy w him.proceed w it.
Chris you simply have not read the relevant code sections. The law decides what is obstruction not your concept of a loose use of the word. 18 USC and then look up the right code section. Not stopping the investigation - kind of clears anyone.
Well, ill leave it to mueller to decide. I assume he knows more than those of us here. In fact, i can guarentee it.
From doing a job for Trump. For what I do know he is more likely to get through this scam and create many more scams to come. Because he is a delustional megalomanic with a world record amount of law suites under his belt.
One day either a puppet master will get sick and tired of Trump. Or a street person will go insane and get Trump. Or can imagine many members could fear his wrath. Yet, someone could not be able to not take him any more and do him in one way or other.
To me US politicial leaders are no longer irrelivant.
Still love Americans regardless.
From one who has had personal experience with DT, your opinion is very important, CP. Fortunately for me, I saw him for what he was many years before he decided to run for POTUS. Down here in the south he'd be called a "Snake oil salesman."
Castle you just have to tell us what it was; "From doing a job for Trump." What kind of job was it and did you actually meet Trump.
Eric, Castle has discussed this at length on the forums. He'll probably enlighten you anyway though.
Google what bloomberg has to say about him. As ewent said, anyone in the tri state area knows all about donald.
Built a sandcastles For Trump world Castle. Not
a big thing to have Trumps put his name on yoursandcastle.
When he plays King of the castle & unionized my sand artist
That is like herding cats and he is the orange fascist cat
Lucky, Trump didn’
Oh now I see. Sand Castle builder - good for you.
Didn't shooter use phrases like this on his FB? "orange fascist cat".
The shooter. Can we talk about the stabber? Or is it not important, cause he killed a black man and was a trump supporter? Wonder what he called the young man before he killed him? Care to guess???
Do you have a website with your sandcastles or other art? I'd love to see your work.
Me too! I just don't see Trump as a magnanimous patron of the arts. But now that you mention it, I bet he is. I am from coastal SoCal we love sand art.
It seem me and famous black men get into hot water from some of these kind of Mobsters. Been into process of moving to south America. Because this manbaby is screwing around with nuclear toys.
Icontinue building eco villages, for they will be in de
Key word: mobster. I am now beginning to wonder if the feds deliberately let him win so their case against him would amount to treason against the usa. People knew about russian hacking long long time. Mcconnell refused to do anything.Ryan paid off.
Trump reminds me of Biff on back to the future 2&3. He has been controled by Rockefellers and Rothschild as Trump is in a game over his head. Good thing he can't hire me again because his Casinos went bankrupt. They would not make acomplete famil
Are any of you aware that no formal charges are looked after? The entire premise here is wrong, and so wrong. It never happened. Are you insane?
It didnt happen in right wing world, because you refuse to consider it. Just like rww insist hillary is a crook. Newsflash: a whole lot of people do not live in rightwing world. Start where ap began: ever hear of felix sater? Google is your friend.
It worked for 3 million more americans than anti hillary.We are ruled by the former slave states and their white male supremacy rules,thanks to an azzkiss from the past. First female repub from georgia to win. The future is female, bigoted or not.
Ho hum, here we go again. Witch hunt one more time. The left is getting jazzed about nothing once again. The left makes me laugh. After things that Hillary blatantly did and was not prosecuted for doing, Trumps alleged scandals are tame. Muller was hired to see if there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. It turned out to be a big nothing burger. Now, that's done, Mueller wants to investigate obstruction of justice? Mueller should be fired. There's not evidence. If there was, yeah, start an investigation. It's based on Comey's testimony? I predict one more nothing burger, then the lowlife left...and that is what the left is, lowlifes will imagine something else that has no proof. I still say if you're not ashamed to be a liberal, you should be.
I was looking for any confirmation out of Mueller's office.None. CNN headline "may" investigate. 5 anonymous sources. Can't find a single 18 USC section that covers Chief Executive telling subordinates what to do. Not even for self interest.Fake?
Right back atcha Mike, if you're not ashamed to be a Trump voter you will be. Or probably you'll still blame everything on the left as usual and not take any responsibility for electing the Buffoon-In-Chief.
Randy, it that all you have? "back atcha?" Wow! It's not worth it to have a intellectual battle with a liberal. It's obvious, none of you have any weapons. I'm sure this confuses you. Just ask a conservative to explain it.
Mike, so now you don't like to be called what you project on the left? Typical Con, you can dish it out but.... You're not a seer so your predictions are simply wishful thinking. Intellectual conversation with you? Get real...
Randy not one of these huge revelation investigations has panned out one little bit. Same media sources, leaking "Trump under investigation". Isn't this like the 4th time and all were fake per Comey?
Eric, are you saying Flynn will get away Scot free with his getting paid by the Russians when he was still on the military payroll? This is still panning out and so is the collusion investigation.You guys seem to think the investigations have stopped
Oh,i think russia is peanuts to them now. They all know he did it. All the ic people know it. But now they're getting serious.His financial dealings are big time criminal.Talking RICO. He really was a fool to think hed get away with it. Putins puppet
Probably Randy. He simply did not meet the requirement threshold for registering as an agent. FARA is the act. It needs to be for the gov.
And the exclusion of the "unmasked" stuff as illegally obtained will prevent prosecution.
Eric, do you have some proof of the "illegal unmasking"? If so, you need to get in touch with Bob Mueller because he's also interested in those claims. With your inside information you could solve the whole investigation. Unless it's just your BS.
mike, name one thing that Hillary did to be persecuted I mean prosecuted for.
I don't think trump will be prosecuted, he has enough money to buy souls and too many people have already sold their soul to him.
"Vladimir putin ordered the attack on the us election, plain and simple"--jeh johnson.
Another liar,huh?Or another stupider than trumpites,huh? Sec of hs,but still not as smart as youze.And trump praises putin.Huh,what do you call that? (Starts w t)
Once again "Unknown sources". Hard to have any form of discussion when there are no actual facts. Randy, you are quoting from a news outlet that does not back any of their reports with an actual name. During James Comey testimony he actually under oath made the claim that most of what has been reported by WAPO and NYT was not accurate. Don't you think it just would be smarter to wait until the three investigations are complete, and offer reports? It's just my opinion, but you seem to buy into any and all of the unconfirmed negative news reports. Do you ever actually check Trump's facebook page? He posts his daily itinerary, and he actually is doing some very positive things. Please, have an open mind he is president, and will most likely be our president for 4 years, if not 8. The left's bias unrealistic rhetoric is only making more of us dig in deeper, due to seeing how much trouble the country would be in if the Dem's won the WH back.
Mueller is in violation of rule 28 CFR 45.2. He has exposed his massive conflict of interest. Comey and Mueller are longtime friends. You are not legally allowed to be a Special Counsel and also be best friends with the lead witness who is leaking classified information to the press.
Interesting Ralph as Sessions used it to recuse. Mueller hid it from his boss. His employer is Trump. He has to immediately report the conflict to his supervisor. But we note that Mueller has not stated that obstruction is an investigation so no need
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That is really cute. Does anyone really believe that constituents have a smidgen of influence in these current investigatory matters. Maybe party funding models and maybe lobbyists - but you? Lawyers are far more influential here.
You are wrong. If not for the outcry from we the people, acha would already be in place, and trump would have removed Russia's sanctions and given putin his payback. CALL YOUR REPS. THEY WORK FOR YOU
That is even more adorable. Reps work for us? Susan Davis does not work for me, she works for my district. Really they have 500,000 bosses? I have voted for her for 20 years, I go to her townhalls (6/19 is next) I have worked for her- volunteer.
If she gets 500,000 phone calls, shell take notice. How you think howard stern and bill oreilly got off the air? People calling, contacting advertisers. Squeaky wheel gets the oil. Altho with citizens united, its a lot harder for regular people.
Survival is getting close to nil. Still, I'm not going to say it's definite (since you never know what will happen with this highly partisan and contentious time we live in).
What I will say is that at this time in his presidency he is ineffective. He's actually signed very little into law. Some of his executive orders are being challenged and being struck down due to violations of the constitutional laws. And, he's managed to annoy allies worldwide.
This latest investigation may well be the stake in the heart, but like I stated, I'm going to wait and see what happens.
Don't think you ought to wait until he is actually being investigated. What prompted this was the untrue assertion that he was under investigation. But even CNN corrected that and said "may be investigated". Sounds like lynch mob mentality.
Hes been under investigation since july....longer by preet bharara...you think people dont know about him, they do. Only his fans fail to see. Tax returns....his deathknell.
When a news agency says "may" it's for legal purpose so they don't get in trouble with slander or libal laws. It's one of those safeguards.
So CNN is lying and Mueller not saying it means it exists.
What investigation since July, Comey testified to no investigation?
Is this the twilight zone???? Dont you remember when chaffetts tweeted the comey letter, and we found out that trump had been under investigation,too? Comey was asked by dems why he didnt leak trumps investigation, and he said because it was ongoing.
No.I don't know how you came to that conclusion. What i stated is a common practice in journalism. In fact many college programs stress this. That way they're not stating guilt or innovenue until it's proven.being investigated doesn't mean conviction
Thank you for that explanation Dean. I see your point.And I appreciate your position on the matter. I suppose I am just concerned that we don't go after a man because we don't like him rather than for a crime.
With strong majorities in Congress it's challenging for me to see him being removed as President. I will say this according to Gallup his disapproval rating was 60% the other day so the 2018 midterms will be interesting.
When the truth comes out, a lot of republicans are going down with him, because they knew. And they profitted. The feds are looking at his techie now. Word on twitter is he and jared worked with russia on the anti-hillary bots that ran the internet.
LOL, you mean the polls they keep getting caught "tweaking" or pre-loading the questions to guarantee the outcome?
Are you speaking of Fox News Polls? Yes, we already knew they were fake. Thanks anyway!
Hahahahahah, no I meant like the ones that had Hillary winning the election with a strong approval rating
Those polls were right. Republicans stole this election,as they have done many times before.And this time, they colluded with a foreign enemy.Dont for one second think people dont know.but the power must be broken.its quite a stranglehold of rw money
hahahahahaha OMG, lovemychris said "Republicans stole this election"
There is not enough room for the amount of lol's I want to write here.
Angel what do you think about Georgia? Was that election also stolen? Or just maybe, just maybe most people are thinking republican?
Eric I think all the special house elections thud far show there is an energized Democrat base. All these districts were republican and the end result while a loss was competitive.
Yes, and in 2010, republicans redistricted, so they will control the house for the next decade. 8% approve mcconnell healthplan. We dont want women put to death for abortion, Expanded wars, expanded droning, tax cuts for rich. No way. Cheaters win.
Souls sold to the highest bidder.
Money makes the world go round. Putin tricked and is out playing Trump in this game of chess. Time to get another frontman and player.
Angel, so for dems losing is not losing?
doesn't it kind of suggest that no matter how loud and rude anti-Tumpers are it does not change the fact that your neighbors vote for his agenda?
Is all the "obstruction" really the left?
Yes they were all losses but the difference in result was over a 10% democrat gain in votes. It shows to me that in republican districts it got competitive so I would like to see elections in swing districts
As trump himself said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose votes .... so he could probably kill someone and get away with it, and I am not a trump defender or protagonist.
I think that trump will absolutely get away with treason or anything else considering the people who are in charge of our government.
Are we all children? Not noticing nuance? No side being taken here. But isn't the American public kind of tired of "truth be spoken here" when when for everyone it is lies. You lie and I lie and the wind blows. Who cares?
Eric, do you honestly believe Donnie is an honest boy? If so, I can understand why you defend him so stalwartly. I suppose we both see truth through different eyes as well as different values.
I care that putin hacked our election! You gop dont,cause your side profitted from it... bigly! But its beyond infuriating that you dont care. Or, you believe putin over our own intel agencies. Either way, its hard to stomache.
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