Should Search Engines and Social Media Police Their Output

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  1. GA Anderson profile image80
    GA Andersonposted 6 months ago

    Looking at the claimed biases of Google and Facebook, should these sites police their output for "Fake" news and such similarly labeled publishing?

    One caveat: Assume it is a "given" that "bot," (anybody's bot), output should be policed.

    For context of the biases mentioned, Google "Damore firing."

    I say no, they should not - with the exception of the caveat. What do you say?

    GA

    1. mrpopo profile image73
      mrpopoposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      It would be too easy to stretch the definition of "fake" into whatever they wanted (how inaccurate does a site's reporting have to be before it is considered fake news?). I'm going with no. I can agree with the caveat of monitoring bots though.

    2. dianetrotter profile image71
      dianetrotterposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Users of the internet have created monsters.  Maybe some of the creators are monsters. There's no such thing as "I choose not to use it."  Companies are insisting that we use it to pay bills, get suppor, apply for access to other services and cancel services.

      Internal audit in brick and mortar companies is no better than the peoplel in those jobs and the supervision, the company.

      We can't win!

    3. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      I also assert there should be no policing of any type of news & social information.   If policing commences, social & news media will evolve to a type of totalitarian censorship in which social engines & news corporations will decide what people should read & hear.  There are those of us who have the discernment to distinguish what is hyperbole from what is valid.   People have not yet descended into non-thinking bots who believe every media output.   I, for one, take many "news" with a grain of salt.  If it sounds too fantastical &/or hyperbolic, I ignore it.

  2. Aime F profile image83
    Aime Fposted 6 months ago

    I also say no.  It would be nice if we could trust people to be smart enough to determine what is and isn’t “fake news” on their own.  Maybe that’s something to work on rather than leaving corporations to determine that for everyone.  Mandatory critical thinking classes for high schoolers, perhaps?

    I think allowing search engines and social media sites to filter out news (whether it is fake or not) is a slippery slope.  The internet has always been a place that you can say or read pretty much whatever you want (within the law) and I think that’s a good thing, even if the things people say and read are not always good.

    That said, I don’t feel that way because of the claimed biases like Damore’s.  I just don’t like the idea of someone, or some corporation, being able to control what information people see in general.

    1. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!

  3. GA Anderson profile image80
    GA Andersonposted 6 months ago

    Well... the above comments, (considering the posters), were no surprise.

    So now, page 2 ...

    Google is already censoring - in a way - they now use have an algorithm that incorporates a  "fact-checker" function, (that uses Google criteria). It affects page ranking and places the search result on a deep page no one ever bothers going to.

    Facebook is vetting advertisers - by subject, and like Google, using their own criteria, and is building a post-checking algorithm that uses a facebook-created blacklist.

    Twitter has hired somewhere between 400 - 700 new tweet screeners, (with account suspension authority), that use a proprietary Twitter blacklist to censor tweets.

    Now, consider...

    If you Google "Fox news is" ....

    If you use facebook's search bar: "Fox news is"

    GA

    1. Aime F profile image83
      Aime Fposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      If you’re suggesting there’s some bias against Fox News then perhaps you should check what pops up when you search “CNN is” on both sites.  Actually, I’ll save you the trouble.
      https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13882249.jpg
      https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13882250.jpg

      At most the issue appears to be that search suggestions are very critical of news outlets in general (I also tried out BuzzFeed and yep, “BuzzFeed is fake news” is the first suggestion - “BuzzFeed is trash” and “BuzzFeed is cancer” popped up too).

      1. GA Anderson profile image80
        GA Andersonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Poof! You did it again Aime. I am only allotted 27 minutes of fun a month, and now you have twice peed in my Cheerios. So, let me just smirk at you for missing an obvious point.

        I made-up all the stuff in that response, and the "Fox is..." searches mentioned have nothing to do with search engine censorship. Just as the images you included show - those are only the search engines showing popular query trends, not search engine results. So ha!

        GA ;-)

        1. Aime F profile image83
          Aime Fposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          Okay... so what? I don’t understand if you’re arguing against yourself or what’s happening at this point. I seem to be a little slow on the uptake today, forgive me. I guess all that peeing in people’s cereal took a lot out of me.

          1. GA Anderson profile image80
            GA Andersonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Okay Aime, I will play nice. The OP was prompted by the claims in the Damore, (fired Google employee in the news), lawsuit that a another poster prompted me to read.

            After seeing the initial replies to the OP I realized it was a dumb OP, (at least I thought so until PrettyPanther piped in) - none of us should welcome having our information requests censored - or molded to a perspective.  That determination is ours to make.

            So my second comment was just a bunch of stuff to stir up the dust. I wasn't arguing against myself. You did catch the implication of the search suggestions - but you didn't catch the misdirection that implication used to infer the original implication. Suggested queries are not search engine creations, so the inference turned that apple into a banana.

            GA

  4. PrettyPanther profile image85
    PrettyPantherposted 6 months ago

    I don't have a problem with search engine companies attempting to provide a quality product for their users. If a user doesn't like the product of a particular search engine, the user can use another one. Google rose to the top because they offered a user-friendly search engine. If they attempt to filter out fake news, and a user doesn't like it, they can probably find a company that will serve up their favorite nonsense. Someone will inevitably attempt to fill that niche.

    1. GA Anderson profile image80
      GA Andersonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Hi PrettyPanther, I get your point. If Google prioritizes liberal and progressive ideologies as "quality" products, then non-liberal or progressive folks just need to find a more neutral search engine. I wonder how Bing or Yahoo score? Or maybe Chumhum?

      ps. are you saying that anything not "quality" by Google's standards is nonsense? That was kinda the point of the OP.

      GA

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        I'm saying that consumers will use their own discretion, regardless of how Google changes their algorithms to boost what they consider legitimate websites over those they judge to be less legitimate.  Consumers currently must use their discretion when consuming news, as they have done for hundreds of years.  Which is more reliable, The National Enquirer or Newsweek?  Star or The Wall Street Journal?  It won't be any different if Google or Bing decides to filter their results based on their own criteria.  I don't see Google doing much other than maybe weighting long-standing, credentialed sites to appear higher in the search results than say, wnd.com.  Whatever they do, someone will scream bias, but users can continue to frequent whatever sites they want.  Just because they don't appear in the top 10 results doesn't mean they're not available. 

        I'm really not that worried about it.  I don't see it as being any different than what currently exists.  We, the consumers of news, must take some responsibility for being able to discern between responsible journalism and yellow journalism, as we have had to do ever since someone decided to spread the news. If Google decides to prioritize real journalism over yellow journalism, that is their prerogative.  It is also our prerogative as consumers to stop using Google and switch to a different search engine.

        Free market, ya know?  I've never advocated censorship, regardless of how much I disdain a particular purveyor of news.  Google is a private company who can run their site as they see fit, and we as consumers can use it or not.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          There is very little doubt in my mind that Google applied manual "hits" to HubPages in the past, or that a good deal of the reason was to promote Google sites.  If they can modify searches using bias (religious, political, economic, whatever) they can certainly ruin businesses that way, and quite legally and ethically.

          The question becomes if a company that large (75% of searches) has a duty to be "fair" rather than intentionally biased.  Because of their massive size and near monopoly of the business, my vote comes down that all searches must be without any bias beyond giving their best shot to provide what the searcher wants to see.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Now, isn't this interesting. I'm coming down on the side of letting the corporation run their business as they see fit, and you seem to he suggesting otherwise. When you say all searches must be without bias, what do you mean? That a search engine company should be regulated and punished if their algorithms perpetrate a political bias?  That makes no sense to me. We certainly don't punish news sites for their bias. Why should we punish a search engine company? We let consumers use Alex Jones as a news source but expect Google to be completely bias-free? Why?

            1. mrpopo profile image73
              mrpopoposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              "Because of their massive size and near monopoly of the business" wink

            2. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              "Because of their massive size and near monopoly of the field, my vote comes down that all searches must be without any bias".

              Did you miss the most important part?  Alex Jones does not control the sole source of news for 75% of the people.  Remember the flak over Microsoft's creation of a browser?  How because they were so large and their "windows" programs was used by the vast majority of the people there was a real question of whether they could include a browser.  And don't forget that if bias is allowed, no one can find Bing or the other tiny search engines; they won't show up in a search.

              But it IS interesting that we've switched sides in this matter; perhaps there is hope for both of us! big_smile

              1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                I don't see Google as controlling the source for news. Even if a website doesn't appear in top search results via Google, it is still available. Google can certainly affect which sites rise to the top in their own search tesults, and they already do that. But they cannot control what is available on the internet.

                As for a near moniply, I don't buy it. In my browser I can easily change search engines via a dop down menu. Google, Bing, Yahoo, and others are readily available. I choose to use Google because I like it.  If Google were to start filtering in a way that I found offensive or unproductive I could easily change my default search engine to something else, and I believe that is exactly what people would do if they thought their precious news sources were being discriminated against by Google.

          2. dianetrotter profile image71
            dianetrotterposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            It could have been done to persuade more people to participate which means more money for HubPages.  Nada for most of us.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              ?? Google down checked HP in order to get more people to sign up?  That goes right over my head.

 
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