The Russian Collusion count down...how many days till it ends?

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jackclee lmposted 6 years ago
I am just curious about the media and some on the left who bought into this investigation by Mueller.
Now, with all the recent revelations and crimes commited by top FBI officials and the Comey book...
How many are now convinced that this was a witch hunt? Concocted by the DOJ and FBI high ranking officials and possibly even to the Obama administration and the Hillary campaign...?
When will this end?
The count down begins. I give it 90 days...
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You mean how many more days until Spanky goes to prison? Not many more we pray: The evidence against him already is monumental and Michael Cohen will flip and Spanky can't do zip about it:
  
  Spanky confessed to obstruction of justice to Lester Holt on national television, and he violates our constitution every single day by accepting money from foreign adversaries, he's GONE and so is Pence:
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  This is what happens when we fail to hold people responsible for wrong doings.
  It happened under the Obama administration and now you want to apply a different set of rules.
  It doesn’t work that way.
  What was good for Hilllary is good for Trump.
  There is no crime, or no intent of crime as James Comey defined it. That is the bottom line.
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  Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Jack, Thank you for stating a pure fact.
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  Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Jake, "The evidence against him already is monumental ". I would like you to post just one piece of evidence that you feel will subsequently put president Trump in jail. Please keep your one piece of evidence factual. Something that has been proven to be a fact. Fact - a thing that is indisputably the case.
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Soon we will find out if the United States still has valid laws or if a fake orange hued corrupt president is above them:
  
  Here's just one tiny morsel of terminal evidence against Spanky Trump: The only possible way this could have been worse for this Russian poodle is if he actually said 'I fired Comey to obstruct justice': This taped interview which aired on national television with millions of witnesses worldwide, includes his obstruction confession: STUNNING:
  
  His confession is astounding enough, but I'm still baffled as to why his friends and family allow him to go out in public looking like this, especially for a filmed interview::
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wvuw_Zmubg
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  In other words you HAVE no evidence that might put Trump in jail. Only opinions that you WISH would.
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  ev·i·dence
  ˈevədəns/Submit
  noun
  1.
  the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
  
  I'll simply refer you back to my previous comment which contains damning evidence of Mr. Trump's obstruction of justice confession on national television:
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid."
  
  Guess that's the sticking point, isn't it? Your desires and even wishes are not facts no matter how hard you pretend that they are.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Jake, does this image fit the narrative you have been spewing?
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  In Chinese wisdom, a picture is worth a thousand words.
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure what you mean Jack Lee, but yes, a picture is worth a thousand words and this picture says Macron used all of Spanky's insane tweets and public incoherent babbling which give all world leaders including himself, a perfect road-map into his tiny racist mind which they use to control, manipulate and guide him, Unlike Vladimir Putin who simply uses force and what everyone believes is blackmail to compel his every move:
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  All I can say Jake is you need glasses...haha
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure why I would need glasses to understand their motives but okay: If you observe Macron, he adorns Spanky Generic with compliments all day because every world leader in the world including our arch enemies like Kim Jung Un, get daily insights into his warped mind via twitter: An insight no other adept, intelligent leader would be reckless enough to just give away:
  
  Macron knows exactly how Spanky feels every minute of the day by reading his tweets and he knows compliments are the best way to manipulate and mold him just like Kim Jung Un made Spanky draw about 10 red lines that he FAILED to enforce over the course of a year:
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  Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Jake, I watched the interview when it aired, and no once again. Please do me the courtesy of quoting where you heard the president make any form of statement that would indicate he obstructed justice or confessed to doing anything? "His confession is astounding" He gave his reason for firing Comey several times during the interview. Claiming he was a Show-boater, and incompetent". He also had a recommendation to fire Comey form Rod Rosenstein the Acting Deputy Attorney General.. I will await your quote. Please don't deflect. I Heard no confession ...
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  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The Benghazi investigations lasted 1,547 days or more than 4 years. Since collusion is much more serious, we have plenty of time left.
  
  And considering they already have 19 indictments with more to come, this has gone way beyond a "witch hunt".
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Really? And what were the inductment for? Was it collusion?
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  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I guess you missed the news. There are more than 100 charges total so far. You can read about them yourself.
  
  https://www.google.com/search?safe=off& … uldS6HgGLE
  
  And to correct a common mistake among Trump supporters, the Mueller investigation is not limited to collusion.
  
  https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea … 1/download
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That is news to me. What are the other alleged crimes of the Trump administration?
  Just to entertain your good sense of fair play.
  How far back should Mueller investigate? 1 year, 5 years, 10 years or till his birth 70 years?
  What crimes are attributed to him and what crimes attributed to his underlings...?
  
  What is your definition of hih crimes and misdemeaners? As you are aware, that is what impeachment and removal of a sitting president entails.
  
  If there is no Russian collusion, what else is there that meet the threshhold?
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  Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Subtle in his obstruction of justice these days...
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  healthfitnationposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  awesome
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Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago
Ha Jack, you're still buying into Hannity's conspiracy theories even though he's been proven a liar by neglecting to report his connections with Cohen and using HUD to back his real estate investments while lambasting the program on Fox.

Yeah, Spanky's own attorneys failed to predict the end of Mueller's investigation but you're much smarter than they. Dream on! It'll end when Spanky is indicted.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  What has Haniity have anything to do with this topic?
  You are grasping at straws...
  Anything to continue down this rabbit hole.
  Good luck with that...
  Meanwhile, the media and Americans have moved on.
  There are bigger issues to fry.
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Kathleen Cochranposted 6 years ago
When will the calls for more investigations into Hillary end? Emails sure sound menial now. Not like trying to rig our elections.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  What are you talking about? She got away with it, the FBI under Comey cleared her.
  She has nothing to fear. There are people in prison today for “unintentional” miss handling of classified information. She on the other hand, avoided FOIA, created a home grown server, allowed classified documents to sit in that server, then deleted 30,000 emails and desteoyed her blackberry and cell phones and bleached her lap tops...
  Her dealing of Uranium one and the Clinton foundation are perfectly fine. She had no “bad” intent according to Comey.
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  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  How did she "get away with it" from multiple House Republican investigations?
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  She was exonerated from any indictments by the FBI. When Martha Stuart did much less and went to jail. She lied to the American people, and to FBI even though she was not put under oath...
  She destroyed US government property. If you and I did that, we would be facing jail time for sure.
  She and her husgpband took in millions from foreign entity in the Uranium One deal while she was secretary of State...
  She got away easy in my humble opinion.
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  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Bullpoop. These are complete falsehoods. It is widely proven she did not "steal" money via Uranium One. Even the House Republicans couldn't find any proof. You also ignored my point about the House Republican investigations, with all of them done under oath.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  What proof? She approved the deal and her husband was paid millions. You can make all the excuses for the Clintons but it changes nothing. As the Bible said, can a zebra change its stripes? The Clintons are corrupt to the core ever since Whitewater days...
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  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Geez, Jack, this is getting silly. Hillary was one of NINE votes on the committee that approved the deal, other agencies had to approve it, and they don't even have the authority to stop it. Only the president can.
  
  https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/
  
  Bill didn't get paid millions. Money went to the Clinton's charitable foundation. "There is no evidence that the donations or the speaking fee had any influence on the approvals granted by the NRC or the Committee on Foreign Investments." - FactCheck.org
  
  If the Clintons are corrupt, then fine, indict them. But quit spreading falsehoods that have no basis in fact, especially after SO MANY investigations. This BS propaganda is distracting the country from solving real problems and not fake news ones.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It is people like you, who defends the Clintons that is partly responsible for our political doscourse now in 2018. He should have been convicted of impeachment and they should have been sent packing from DC the first time around. The reason we have a Trump Presidency now, IMHO, is ironically due to the Clintons in power all these years. They got Hillary elected to NY Senate, not having lived in NY any time before that. They them elected Obama who appointed her Secretary of State. You think all of this came about by accident?
  
  They are corrupt and when we allow people who are corroupt to stay in office, guess what they are corrupted even more... crime pays...
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  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Jack, you seriously misunderstand what I'm saying. I only care about the facts. I don't care about propaganda.
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  GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Hey jackclee, I see that promisem has already addressed this, and his points were correct, (well, at least about the Hillary approval part), but we all know how Left-wing biased he is, (That was a Joke! OMG! See what you have done PrettyPanther, I am not good at walking on eggs - or being completely transparent), so I thought a Purple challenge to your claims might at least prompt you to look a little deeper. Particularly the part about her department not being able to directly make the deal, and the part about State's approval being only one of nine approvals needed.
  
  But, the point about Bill's speaking fees - in the time-frame of the approval process, and relative to Russian engagement(s), (wasn't there just one suspicious looking event?), does lend itself to a few speculative Hmms...
  
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  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  GA, first of all, yes, not only am I a leftist because I'm not a right-wing extremist, but I even voted for that liberal Ronald Reagan.
  
  I agree with you -- OMG back at you, I agree with you -- that the contributions to the Clinton foundation were an obvious example of money influence for the possible sake of her one vote. Then again, that seems to be common in American politics. I don't think it's any different than campaign contributions to any politician.
  
  So does it rise to the standard of corruption? It depends on whether you hate Hillary, love her or don't care about her one way or another. I'm in the third camp.
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  GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Well hell, as long as our campfires are so close to each other, (I do care), why don't we save some firewood for another time. I'll pull up a chair to yours on this issue.
  
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  GA,
  My point was it was the Clintons that corrupted our political system. Before him, we did not have presidents starting a foundation getting contributions from foreign powers... The foundation raised many millions of dollar and yet very few $ went to help the people they were supposed to help.
  It became a slush fund for his family, Hilliary and Chelsea to use for their travel and weddings and condos..,
  When the FBI was asked to investigate it, people from the Justice department told them to shut it down... That is how our government agencies also got corrupted...when the DOJ and the FBI cannot be trusted, who can you trust?
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  GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That is a different point than your earlier statements. You may be right that the Clintons did introduce a new model of corruption - it would be a debatable topic of itself, but I think it might be more of an adaption to the times than a birth of corruption.
  
  Even if your thoughts about the Clinton Foundation corruption were true, (that is what some would debate), it is still not a new corruption. It is just a different version of a game that has been around since our earliest political days.
  
  I am not defending the Clintons, just offering some focus to your broad claims.
  
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  By the way, I watched those house investigations painfully. The questions were long winded political statements from both party. They did not want to get to the bottom of the Benghazi affair for whatever the reason. It was a show and the people had wool pulled over their eyes. The people on the ground were never called to testify...how come? The people making misleading statements were Susan Rice, Ben Rhodes and Hillary Clinton...She got promoted and Hillary ran for President... If I had my way, I would ban all future house and Senate investigations. They mean nothing and got nothing as a conclusion.,,
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  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  In other words, House Republicans investigated her and did not charge her with anything.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It was a setup. These politicians, Washington insiders knew the score. They play the game and put up a good show. Mean while nothing was done, no one was made accountable. People died when the event went on for 13 hours... someone gave the order to stand down but we cannot findout who in the CIA or the State department gave the order...where is the chain of command?
  I learned more by watching the movie 13 hours...
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  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  So it's not just the Clintons who are corrupt. All of the Republicans are corrupt too?
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Liberals are fine with political corruption though , that's the difference , conservatives are outsting them , liberals promote them to higher standings !
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, most of them are corrupt. They are bought and paid for by lobbyist. That is why we conservatives support term limits.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  And we're the only ones willingly discussing them !+++++++++++++
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  GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Kathleen, You might be right about those emails sounding menial now. Have you checked-out Valeant's new thread about campaign finance laws and FEC lawsuit? https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/338 … aign-trail
  
  Could what was done to Bernie Sander's campaign by the DNC, (by all accounts HDNC - Hillary's Democrat National Committee), be counted as trying to rig an election? And could the issue of Valeant's thread, (if it has merit), be counted as trying to use illegal actions to buy an election?
  
  Could the combination of the two stand with the "rigging" you inferred?
  
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Sharlee01posted 6 years ago
Jack, One would think by the lack of any indictments connected to the 2016 presidential campaign it may end soon. However, I hope that Mueller will expend all avenues. We don't want any stone upturned or leave any recourse for anyone to request any further investigations into the campaign. Just my opinion but it feel like it is coming to an end.

To answer your other questions. I believe it's a witch hunt. I am also convinced that many crimes were committed by the Clinton campaign, the Clinton's, Mccabe, Comey, and many others that are still working in the DOJ.
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  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think 19 indictments so far is a lack of indictments.
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peoplepower73posted 6 years ago
Jack: With Benghazi, Hillary was guilty until proven innocent. With Trump, he is innocent until proven guilty. There in lies the difference. Hillary was racked over the coals for more than four years. And to this day, they still want to investigate her. They can't accept the fact that she was innocent.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  With all due respect, do you know what happened at Benghazi? Who gave the order to stand down that led to the death of an American Ambassador? The four years of hearing delivered nothing, no results, no one held accountable, and no one on the ground interviewed... the list goes on. It was about a video that started this protest...we we told by Susan rice... how did she know? She was at the UN...
  This story as we learned years later was concocted by Ben Rhodes at the White house...
  So you say Hillary is gulity until proven innocent. Where is the guilt, and what penalty has she paid..
  She lied to one of the parents at the tarmac when the bodies came home...
  This is all documented.
  The Congress and Washington insiders protect their own don’t they? And you wonder how Trump got elected...
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peoplepower73posted 6 years ago
Jack: This indicates Trey Gowdy admitting that "Nothing Could Have Saved Benghazi Victims."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trey- … -benghazi/
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe so, but they didn’t even try?
  The more sinister view is that ambasador Stevens was not suppose to be there...funneling weapons to the insurgents which the US were not suppose to be involved.
  Once it was exposed, they had to cover up this fiasco.
  That was the reason the investigation was white washed.,.
  
  Someone at the State department, very hogh up gave the order not to send a rescue team. Who was this person? We still don’t know.
  Trey Gowdy has been a huge disapppointment. He goes on tv shows and gave interviews and nothing ever comes out of these investigations. Isn’t congress suppose to provide over sight?
  What have they done? Zero.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That's entirely misleading peoplepower , PRE- embassy security requests might have saved them had they been recognized at all by the secretary of state Clinton and granted by your hero the great and distracted Obama . Especially given the abject failures Obama and Clinton's inciting of the Arab Spring and of course killing the leader of Libya also plays in there .....no ?
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Valeantposted 6 years ago
Or if the GOP hadn't cut funding for said security details for embassies. There's plenty of blame to go around here if you'd put your liberal-hating rhetoric down.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  This investigation into Benghazi was to determine what happened and who is responsible and how to fix it so that it does not happen again...
  After 4 years, I am afraid we learned nothing. 4 Americans died. The people responsible are promoted and given a pass. It was “the fog of war” they claimed. Except, we were not in a war were we?
  The CIA operatives were told to stand down...the air strikes were called off. 13 hours went by...
  You want me to believe there was nothing we could have done in this particular case.
  A few rioters were able to take down an embassy outpost and killed 4 Amercians with impunity.
  The Bengazhi affair was a failure in the highest level.
  An election result was in the balance. If the truth be known, AObama may not been re-elected in 2012. History would be much different.
  For you Democrats, guess what, Mitt Romney might just be president instead of Trump...
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peoplepower73posted 6 years ago
Jack: It sound like you saw the movie and you believe it.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 … facts.html
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Do you mean the disaster of Arab Spring , the hit on Gaddafi by pacifist Obama/Clintons ......? That movie ? That is what happened , inexperienced kids "playing war " not knowing what the heck they were doing .
  
  Besides I think we've let our politicians kill enough of our boys , especially by their ineptitude and crass selfish attitudes .
  
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I believe it more than I believe Congressional hearings...which has wasted time and money and just for show.
  They can’t answer the most basic questions.
  It sickens me to watch these elected politicians grand stand and use this platform for political manuverings instead of getting to the bottom and the truth.
  How you can defend them is beyond the pale.
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ahorsebackposted 6 years ago
After all of this it becomes very clear that Trump never intended to fire Mueller in spite of the ignorance of media hype . As in ALL of the obstructions , Trump has watched them come and go and only laughed in their faces . Teflon Trump !
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Just to remind folks during the Clinton impeachment...it was a private secxual matter with Monica...
  That was the Democratic defense.
  So why are they making a big deal out of the Daniels case?
  Equal justice...or double standards?
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Trump's personal transgressions weren't in the oval office Maybe liberals just reject the lack of the "official " white house stamp for their outrages ?
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Valeantposted 6 years ago
Jack, because it's about the illegal campaign finance violation, not the affair. We sort of have these things called laws. Same reason I'm glad Hillary is getting held accountable for them too.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I knew that. Conservatives said it repeatedly. I can site many democratic talking points...why do you think Clinton survived impeachment? There were plenty of wrong doings and abuse the rule of law.
  The Monica incident was a side show. Unfortunately, Ken Starr chose to make that the prime offense.
  
  If there was obstruction, of couse that is to be investigated. If there was potential for blackmail by Russians, that would be serious...
  The payout to Daniels is small potatoe.
  
  So far, Mueller has nothing on Trump. If he did, it would have been leaked long ago.
  That is my humble opinion.
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Valeantposted 6 years ago
Mueller has assembled a group of consummate professionals. Exactly why nothing leaks and you guys take that as meaning they have nothing. Weird logic.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Year and a half ? Sure can't be much on Trump ,tides are turning so look out Obama , Lynch Comey Hillary however .................?
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That is hard to believe...with all leaking going on the past several years under the DOJ, the FBI and the White House...you believe a handful of Democratic lawyers and investigators are keeping their lips sealed? Wow that would be a first.
  I wait to see what they got.
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Why wait? Public record will convict Spanky Trump, the Mueller work product is ICING:
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Only in your head is a person guilty of a crime with public records.
  We have a legal system in this country. Do you have a law degree? Perhaps you need a refresher course in civics.
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  jack Lee, try not to misquote me please, i said the public record will convict Spanky with Muellers work product as the icing and the more Mr. Trump whines, cries, blubbers and maniacally attacks law enforcement on fox fake channel and twitter, the more the noose tightens:
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peoplepower73posted 6 years ago
I have three questions for everybody. If Trump is innocent and has nothing to hide, why is he hiding from the Muller investigation? Why does he claim vindication, when he hasn't been vindicated of anything?

If Hillary was guilty of Benghazi, why did it take Trey Gowdy, the head of the congressional investigations, four years and 7 million dollars of tax payer's money to declare Hillary's innocents?
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  First Hillary isn't by any means done with the investigators if you've been reading the news at all , Second , ever volunteer to go before a grand jury to determine if what you might have said ten years ago matches what your answer will be tomorrow ? If it doesn't match the most basic of questions ,you're indictable . Trump would go there yet his attorneys tell him not to . he's already stated that fact .
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peoplepower73posted 6 years ago
ahorseback: First, I liked the way you phrased that. "She isn't done with investigators yet." Actually, it's the right wing that is not done with her yet. You and they can't accept the fact that she has been cleared of any wrong doings. How much are the tax payers going to pay for this investigation?

Second, Trump's collusion didn't happen 10 years ago. That was when his affairs occurred while Melania was pregnant. Sure Trump has nothing to do with it. Just blame his attorneys. He is never to blame for anything. Everybody else is at fault except him. Are your tired of so much "winning"yet?
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I feel bad for those Trump haters... They allowed their hatred of this man to consume them. If they just stop and take a breath, they will realize that everything will be OK.
  We lived through 8 years of Obama..., 8 years of Bush, 8 years of Clinton... it will be OK.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  No Jack be fair , you just can't fathom the amounts of derangement and phony offendedness going on out there !
  They need a few years .
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Peoplepower , Because justice works slow and ineptly at times doesn't mean Hillary gets a free ride , apparently your not keeping up with the news , And no the investigators aren't done with her.
  
  What exactly are you dreaming up that trump HAS done exactly ? You've got zip to date . Shall we count the way Trump and so we are winning ?
  -The economy
  -No.Korea
  -Jobs
  -Foreign diplomacy
  -Military respect
  -Deregulation for all
  -Tax breaks for all
  -Chinese trade deficits
  -Federal Judges
  -Travel Restrictions on refugee nations
  -The Wall
  -Nafta redo
  -Stop me anytime ...................
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Wesman Todd Shawposted 6 years ago
Reading this I realise Hubpages people are just as stupid as typical Facebook people. The only difference is that Hubpages people think they're smarter, sometimes throw a five dollar word, and go on about the nonsense in their heads for longer stretches, all the while convinced they're relevant.

I suppose it is important that a body does convince itself of its relevance in this universe.

I grew up with my dad constantly telling me the Democrats were the good party because we weren't rich. Poor Dad, I guess a lot of things which were once truisms no longer are.

Since the Trump election, I have seen so much hatred from persons who think themselves to be somehow superior to non Democrats, that I will never in my life vote for a Democrat.

Trump keeps winning, and he could have just lived the rest of his life in riches we can't imagine; instead, he's improving everything.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yep Wesman, Spanky cannot escape from his past indiscretions no matter what you may wish. He's always been an oily used car salesman and now it's catching up to him. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy!
  
  Your dad was a smart guy.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, meanwhile, he is making peace between North and South Korea, after 65 years...
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Randy , please tell us one solid Trump obstruction that is "catching up with him " please , just one . I can't seem to find anything other than your's and a few others personal hatred and superficial , shallow accusations.
  
  What exactly is" real" and catching up to Trump ?
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  His past corruption, horse. And his present as well.
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Valeantposted 6 years ago
To everyone but the Trump base, when a guy goes on national tv and says, 'you know, when I fired him, I was thinking about this Russia investigation,' it's obstruction. I fired him with the consideration of the investigation he was running into election interference from which I benefited from.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Except if you are Trump and you know there was no collusion and some people wants to waste time and money pursuing an investigation, then the smart and right decision is to nip it in the bud and fire the guy...
  Funny how, truth can make one see the light.
  You have been sold a bill of goods by the main stream media.
  I hope you will come around one day and realized how corrupt the media have been.
  People on the right like me, have seen this in the past but not to this extend.
  The media, in their hatred of Trump, have gone over board and over reached here.
  They succeeded in the past like with Romney and demonized him while he was running for President in 2012...as we learned he was nothing like the guy they portrayed him to be.
  
  The same goes with Trump except doubled or tripled...
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  No collusion but a vast unlawful conspiracy to undermine our democracy apparently occurred: Why trump sheep are unaware of this damning evidence is a mystery:
  
  Exhibit A: Here's a picture which depicts the attendees who were present at the infamous 'Trump Tower Meeting" in 2016 which according to Donny Junior, was predicated on discussing the transfer or exchange of hands of property which could have influenced and subverted our election and to discuss sanctions on Russia:
  
  Russian spies and top Trump campaign officials accepted the meeting subsequent to Donny Junior's receipt of an E-Mail from a Russian operative stating in paraphrase that he or they had dirt on Hillary: Keep in mind, the astonishing treasonous fact that these are Russian spies, out arch enemy conversing with Donny Junior:
  
  Donny, in paraphrase, said that's great via E*Mail and we still don't know if Trump officials including Donny Junior were aware that the dirt was stolen United States property but S. Bannon:said there's no way Trump senior was unaware of this unbelievable conspiratorial meeting event:
  
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Where is the crime?
  Is it a crime to meet some Russians?
  Is there any details on the meeting that warrant a collusion charge?
  Was there any benefits gained one way or another?
  As far as I know, it is not a crime to meet with any Russian...
  You are pulling at straws...my friend.
  Even the biased FBI official, Strzok said “there was nothing there...”
  So you knew better by listening to CNN...
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It's called 'conspiracy' - 'treason' and 'subversion' for supposed Americans to meet secretly with enemy Russian spies to plot harmful actions:
  
  con·spir·a·cy
  kənˈspirəsē/Submit
  noun
  a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
  
  sub·ver·sion
  səbˈvərZH(ə)n,səbˈvərSH(ə)n/Submit
  noun
  the undermining of the power and authority of an established system or institution.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I am sorry but there is no evidence of such as much as you want to believe it.
  If this investigation continue down this path, then, I want to see all Congress members investigated to the same degree. I want their records seized and have an independent court official go over it and look for crimes or misconducts... That is equal justice under the law.
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  "It's called 'conspiracy' - 'treason' and 'subversion' for supposed Americans to meet secretly with enemy Russian spies to plot harmful actions:"
  
  Good thing no "harmful actions" were ever plotted, then, isn't it? As you declined to produce anything about treason (it has nothing to do with anything), I'll just mention that "undermining of the power and authority of an established system or institution." would include getting a democrat out of the white house (or vice versa) - something that is attempted every 4 years.
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Well gentlemen, most attorney's worth their weight including the unmatched experts on the Mueller criminal investigation team disagree:
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Actually I do want to get to the bottom of this. Democrats better know they may get more than they bargained for.
  The real conspiracy is shaping up to be coming from Mr. Clapper through Comey and CNN...in getting the unsubstantiated Russian dossier released in the first place which lead to the Muller investigation. I hope they are diligently working their way through this forest...
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  What did you think about Spanky's little rant show on Fox yesterday, Jack?
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  valeant: Not only did he confess to obstruction of justice by suggesting that Russia was in his thoughts when fired James Comey, but he said his mind was already made up and Rosenstein's memo was immaterial, meaningless and was not given any consideration during his thought process:
  
  Donald is in deep legal jeopardy unless of course he's above the law or manages to get away with this and other high crimes:
  
  This damning evidence can be found in the Lester Holl / Trump interveiw:
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jackclee lmposted 6 years ago
BTW, the reason it is not working this time is because Trump fought back twice as hard and use tweets to combat the fake news reported about him...
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Did you see Spanky's rant on your favorite "news" channel yesterday morning, Jack? If so, how can you put any faith in so looney a guy? I mean seriously, he's losing it!
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ahorsebackposted 6 years ago
!!!!!!!!!Today ,House Panel Clears Trump In Russia Collusion !!!!!!!!!
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  "But in a dissenting document, Democrats on the committee accused the Republicans of prematurely closing the investigation out of a desire to protect Mr. Trump and asserted that eagerness by Trump campaign associates to accept offers of Russian assistance suggest “a consciousness of wrongfulness, if not illegality.”
  
  In other, more simple and plain words, the Democrats wanted to continue the "investigation" in an effort to find political dirt that might harm Trump or the Republican party. They couldn't find anything illegal so wanted to expand into simple mudslinging, using the "investigation" as a tool to accomplish that.
  
  The good of the nation, it's needs and even the sworn duty or our elected "leaders" has a lower priority than political power in the hallowed halls of the American congress.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  My understanding is that there may be more R's on the committee ? Either way , it won't be long before D's whine about such a partisan injustice , after all they have their own agenda , their own dissenting findings , duh ...what findings ? I guess we could call out that they are on a "long liners" fishing expedition at this point. Better send out the "processing ship ".
  
  Mueller can be released at this point , then again we have the Stormy searchers out there looking for some law that just has to have been broken between two consenting pee -partners or whatever .
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That was the point - the Democrats have degenerated into searching for political dirt rather than illegal actions, and want to use the resources of the government and the law to find it.
  
  Not much new there, though - it has been done for decades, and by both parties.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Another partisan move by Nunes is all the Majority report is. He refused to call witnesses who could have shed light on the proceedings and virtually destroyed the investigation himself by running to tell Spanky what was going on in the committee. What a joke!
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IslandBitesposted 6 years ago
!!!!!!TODAY!!!!
Russian from Trump Tower meeting: 'I am a lawyer, and I am an informant'

And in an interview set to be broadcast Friday on "NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt” and on MSNBC's "On Assignment with Richard Engel," Veselnitskaya calls herself an "informant" for the Russian government, an admission that goes further than her previous claims of just being a private attorney.

“I am a lawyer, and I am an informant,” she says in the NBC interview. “Since 2013, I have been actively communicating with the office of the Russian prosecutor general.”

The admission also comes despite testimony Veselnitskaya submitted to the Senate Judiciary Committee in November, in which she claimed no connection to Russian President Vladimir Putin's government.

“I operate independently of any governmental bodies,” she wrote in November. “I have no relationship with Mr. Chaika, his representatives and his institutions other than those related to my professional functions as a lawyer.”

Veselnitskaya was referring to Yuri Chaika, Russia's prosecutor general, for whom on Friday she admitted to being a regular source of information.
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  well well well, so she isn't a social worker worried about adopted children after all? In reality, she's a Russian spy? And Spanky's senior campaign officials met secretly with her and other Russian spies? I wonder if this will trigger another little Trump tizzy tantrum mental breakdown on fox and friends tomorrow?
  
  I'm looking forward to as many of Spanky's little clown shows before he ends up where he belongs, dodging big strong buff prison inmates who believe 71 year old pedophile endorsers are the lowest of the lowest:
  
  Yup, no doubt, there she is in living color at that secret trump tower meeting:
  
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Valeantposted 6 years ago
The. Dossier. Did. Not. Lead. To. The. Investigation. How many times do we need to walk moronic conservatives through this timeline. The investigation started months before the dossier arrived on the scene due to numerous Trump aides having contacts with Russians and Russia hacking into the DNC.
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  Dean Traylorposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Hate to say it, Valeant, but they're going to believe what they want to believe. Any attempt to inform them otherwise will be met with usual digging in the heels, doubling down, name calling, uttering some fantastic whataboutism, and denying beyond rational belief. Sometimes, you just have to zap some buttered popcorn, sit back and watch them try to explain it all away.
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It was the dossier that gave them the opening into wiretapping the members of the Trump team...using the FISA court...and also unvealing the people involved which is by the way against the law. People in the Obama Admin. like Samantha Powers... these are well documented and eventually come out the further the Muller team dig...if they look...
  I also like to see CNN and the NYT explain their sources and who leaked...
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The more you watch and listen to Hannity the dumber it makes you, Jack. Seriously dude!
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It may surpise you I don’t watch or listen to Hannity. I prefer Rush and Mark Levin and Laura Ingraham...and Michael Savage.
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps you're unaware of this jackclee, but Americans including my relatives fought and died in the 1940s to halt, obstruct and eradicate similar divisive, white nationalist type individuals like the 4 you've listed above, twisted evil minded charlatans who make a tainted living by brainwashing gullible souls:
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  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You don’t know what you are talking about. I am offended by your comments. Just because you disagree with their politics does not give you the right to throw around racism...
  If you have proof, let me have it. Otherwise, it demeans you because you are calling people names and not debating ideas. I am done with you.
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I guess we're done with each other, but don't forget, everyone understands the individuals you've mentioned are divisive racists who prefer a more pure American strain:
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  blueheronposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure you should play the racism card, given the Obama administration's record re improving the lives in the black community. Although a long line of administrations, both Democrat and Republican, have presided over a steady decline in the economic prospects, education, and quality of life of the black community, Obama did nothing to halt this decline, and in fact exacerbated it. My contacts tell me that many, many members of the black community came to despise Obama.
  
  Truth be told, the vast majority of blacks had a better quality of life, and were better educated, in 1955 than they are now. Blacks were employed, ran black-owned businesses, enjoyed good schools, enjoyed a stronger family life and intact communities, and were not living in the midst drug and gang violence and drive-by shootings.
  
  Further, the Democrat's stance on immigration is best understood as a desire to exploit slave labor.
  
  Since it is the responsibility of government to promote the interests of its citizens, the fostering of illegal immigration is treasonous, in that it subverts the interests of citizens. It may even be said that there are those in our government who are supporting an invasion of our country, who actually desire that the US be invaded by foreigners.
  
  Foreign mass migration into another sovereign nation's territory has always throughout history been understood as an act of war. Peculiarly, we have until recently had a government appears to be on the side of the invaders--a stance that has always throughout history been understood as treason.
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  While it isn't treason, there most certainly ARE those in our government that favor and support the invasion of our country by the citizenry of foreign countries. Lots of them.
  
  18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason:
  Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
  
  Those poverty stricken people crossing our borders are not our enemies, in the sense referred to in the definition, for they have no desire to cause harm.
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Well sorry fellas, but everyone knows Spanky Trump and the individuals jackclee mentioned are despicable racist white nationalist, just like S Bannon and that dweeby character who is STILL has access to the oval office named S Miller:
  
  But moving on to the topic: many experts agree the evidence of conspiracy between Russian spies and top Trump campaign officials including his own son and son in law is almost insurmountable as we discover even more damning details pertaining to the collusive and conspiratorial efforts between Russian spies connected to the Kremlin, and the Trump campaign at the secret 'Trump Tower' meeting etc:
  
  Perfect description of Spanky Trump and not only does this traitor provide constant 'aid and comfort' to our arch enemy Vladimir Putin and other dictators using our public airwaves and we can only imagine what he does in private, but he does it while constantly attacking almost every branch of law enforcement of the United States which are designed to protect us from Russia and all other adversaries: INSANE
  
  18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason:
  Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere,
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Hate to break the bad news, but Jake Earthshine is not "everyone". YOU may think (not know) that those folks are white supremacists, but no one else does.
  
  Much like your "many experts"; a handful of liberals making political hay does not provide proof of anything at all. Except that they will say anything that they think might damage their political foes, without regard to truth, honesty or ethics.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Even worse, Jack! Wake up, dude!
  
  You ignored my query re yesterday's Spanky rant on Faux Noos, Jack. Did Spanky sound like a sane man?
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Valeantposted 6 years ago
First off, the investigation started in June thanks to Papadopolous bragging to the Aussies about Trump-Russia ties. Second, Page was no longer with the Trump team when the FISA request was made. He was disavowed in September, the FISA request was made in October.

And how about this, how about not hiring Page, Flynn, and Manafort who are all believed to be agents working for other country's interests. Maybe that would be ample reason not to put them on your campaign team. Because if you don't see a national security issue there, then that might be your first problem.
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peoplepower73posted 6 years ago
Wilderness: Everything you wanted to know about Stephen Miller, but were afraid to ask:

https://rewire.news/article/2018/03/14/ … spreading/
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ahorsebackposted 6 years ago
The one two points that everyone seems to be missing in the rules and laws , these literal or natural laws of immigration seem to be thus ;

The rule of law ; Two parts , The constitutional obligation of the president , the legislators and the courts who are obligated to protect our borders , the law written in early years , requiring the protection of America from outside or inside our borders . AND thus the written laws of immigration to date to legally limit immigration from anywhere or everywhere .

The law of natural Balance ; Of immigration policies and quotas written into law that allow for the fair and balanced immigration by law and legal process from all sources in proportionate or prorated by source nation size . In other words ; why should Hispanics because of illegal immigration next door to us have a numerical and proportionate advantage over legal sources from any and all other countries?
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  What's the relevance of this in regard to the Trump campaign blatant collusion and conspiracy at the trump tower and elsewhere, as they plotted to subvert and undermine the United States with several Russian spies?
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The depth of filthy sewer corruption this phony administration ushered in is simply unprecedented and of course unbelievable:
  
  Well well well, now the vast Russian conspiracy seems to engulf Spanky's buddies over at the anti-American NRA : Ever wonder who actually was behind the creation of the National Rifle Association? I have:
  
  wow:
  
  https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/politics … index.html
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Putin's corruption is rife in America with Spanky enabling him to run rampant. A traitor in our midst!
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