Bernie Sanders " Democratic platform a disaster for 15 years "

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   What ?   Is he turning into a republican perhaps ?

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sure he meant what he said. He remembers how the democratic party used to be. Thats why he appeals to the youth. Maybe all youth are hippies. Then they realize the error of their ways: once reality hits and they have to survive in the real world. Most boomers who used to be liberal hippies are are now conservatives, I would guess. Especially the breadwinner ones.

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         ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I was Kathryn ! How did you know?

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Me too.

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      PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I know it seems foreign to you, being from a tribe that supports their leader no matter how corrupt or incompetent, but Democrats actually don't agree on everything and often criticize each other.
      
      Paul and Mitch ought to try it sometime, given the unpopularity of their leadership.

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         ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I 'd rather belong to a group that supports a real leader no matter what than one that supports a chameleon for a leader .......;-}

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         Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         LOL. That's funny. From a Democrat.

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            PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I'm glad you see the humor in the cowardly GOP looking the other way while Trump shreds our institutions and profits from being President while cravenly lying to his gullible base. At least you get something out of your vote.

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               ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               You mean ,You voted for Obama and didn't even get this T shirt ?
               

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                  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Aw, how cute.

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                     ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     I'll make sure to get one out in the mail to you , what size ?

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               Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               I would say that we all got the same thing out of our vote we always have. It seems incredibly naive to think otherwise.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I can only hope your view that this presidency is "the same thing we always have" is not shared by many other voters or we could  end up with an even more moronic, sleazy, money grubbing  celebrity next time.
                  
                  If one exists. I'm not sure.

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                     Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     I wasn't able to respond earlier since I've been engulfed in laughter until now.
                     
                     Moronic, sleazy and money grubbing. Politics,as usual. Unlike some, I don't turn a blind eye when someone attempts to tickle my ear.

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                        PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Ted Nugent for Prez!  Kid Rock for VP!
                        
                        Politics as usual for the Trump voter.  Their standards demand only the finest. 
                        
                        The Republican base hates celebrities blabbing about politics!  Until they slap an (R) beside their name and run for office.  Then they elect them!
                        
                        America!  F** Yeah! 
                        
                        

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                           Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           Funny how jaded we each appear, in our unique ways.
                           
                           I hope for a kinder and gentler nation. Where civility trumps selfishness and ignorance. Where insults aren't the first resort when we encounter those we disagree with. If we find a window of opportunity, I wonder if those such as yourself can garner the intestinal fortitude to help forge a new dialogue; standing in stark contrast to the current culture of regurgitating insults and simply posting ignorant posters in an attempt to create an argument about something inane...that the person they are speaking to has never given them reason to start.

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                              PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              First, pardon me if I find it strange that you long for a "kinder and gentler nation" where "civility trumps selfishness and ignorance" but voted for Trump.  I can't wrap my head around that.
                              
                              Second, if you consider criticizing Mitch and Paul and the GOP for standing behind Trump no matter what he says or does to be uncivil, but voted for or continue to support Trump, then you have a double-standard.
                              
                              Last, I did not go after any individual on this forum.  It is a fact that the Republican base hates celebrities talking about politics.  It is a fact that they elect celebrities when they run for office.  It is a fact that you characterized the Trump presidency as "the same thing we always have."  It is perfectly logical to surmise that if one views electing celebrity Trump as "the same thing we always have," then one would certainly view electing another celebrity as "the same thing we always have."
                              
                              But, in real life, I work with conservatives every day.  I serve in our local government in a county that voted 65% for Trump.  I'm married to a conservative (yes, he's now a Democrat because of Trump and the craven way the GOP supports him, but that doesn't change his ideological bent).  So, this idea that plain speaking is somehow uncivil is weird to me, especially given the guy you voted for.  But, hey, it wouldn't be the first time I didn't understand a Trump supporter.  And, believe me, I've tried.  I just can't see any rational reason to support the man.  I guess I'm just defective that way. 

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                                 Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 So, the answer is no.
                                 
                                 Forgive me if I'm not surprised.

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                                    PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    Interesting interpretation, but I can't control how you see things.

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                                       Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       I don't think accusing me of backing idiots like Ted Nugent or being supportive of Trump by declaring politicians, in general, are sleazy money grubbing self absorbed jerks was the beginning of a constructive dialogue. Attempting to converse by making up falsehoods is typical of the 'dialogue'.
                                       
                                       And, if you are incapable of understanding why someone might accept that Trump is no worse than any other choice we were presented with then I am left to assume party politics trumps rational discourse for you, as it applies to our exchanges.

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                                          PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                          I did not accuse "you" of anything.  I made generalizations about the Trump base and Trump voter, just like you do all the time about liberals and democrats.  If you want to take offense at my generalizations, that is your prerogative. If you want to be consistent in your criticism and not be a hypocrite, though, then you ought to refrain from the behavior you're decrying and call out others who do the same thing
                                          
                                          And, remember, if you voted for Trump, you certainly did not further civility or a "kinder, gentler nation."
                                          It fascinates me how Trump voters will get all butt hurt about civility, when they set the tone by installing the most openly uncivil politician to ever grace our nation. It's like chastising the kids who fight back against the bully, after siccing the bully on the kids.
                                          
                                          I would NEVER vote for a man like Trump if he had a "D" beside his name.  Never in a million years.  I have voted for Republicans; I have voted for Independents; but I would never vote for a self-admitted sexual predator.  I would never vote for a pathological liar, or anyone who bullies, belittles, and brags like Trump.  I don't care if he had the same policies as Bernie, I would not vote for a person of such temperament.  Never.
                                          
                                          Believe me or not, I don't care.

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                                             ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                             Did you really just say "...............get all butt hurt about civility ........ "?......Funny!
                                             But seriously , who would ever be so foolish to expect any form of  civility from the left
                                             , I mean really ?

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                                                PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                Now, if I were LtoL, I'd say you just insulted me. But I'm not, so instead I'll mentally note your inaccurate generalization about "the left" and move on.
                                                
                                                My kids are always saying "butt hurt." The phrase does make me chuckle and is a perfect descriptor of a certain type of disgruntlement: )

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                                                   GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                   OMG! Another "note"
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                                                   Wait, wait, chill.... it was just a joke. If you can't pick on your friends, who can you pick on?
                                                   
                                                   

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                                                      PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                      I note that you are making note of my making note.
                                                      
                                                      Hmm.........
                                                      
                                                      I wonder if you will make note of that?
                                                      
                                                      [Waves at GA as he makes his monthly drive-by keyboard poke....]

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                                                         GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                         Yes, even though I cruise the threads almost nightly, sometimes it does seem like a month-long trek to find a discussion to join. Sometimes a "poke" is the best I can find.
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         

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         ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Pretty Panther , Man , did I miss you and some of your extremely questionable  posts ....;-}

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   Apparently Trump hatred is a permanent infliction .

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   I think I get it. Dems look out for the little guy and Reps look out for the big one. guyshttps://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/02/08/groups-file-suit-block-trumps-pro-corporate-deregulation-scheme

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   … will the big guy and the little guy ever be on the same page?
   
   No. So what hope do we have ... ever?
   
   Time to break out the religious /spiritual forums again.
   
   But then:
   
   … will the religionist and the spiritualist ever be on the same page?
   
   No. So what ...

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   I predict there will be a new world order religion and a one world government.
   Luckily, I won't be around when that happens. I'll be in heaven where there is (truly) no duality whatsoever.
   Happy Sunday.

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Or , we can assume  that it's all just trends , in religion ,cultures , fads ,  politics, ideologies , new world orders,  old world orders , kind of like global warming -cooling . What is something new but simply a return to something old again Kathryn ? 
      
      Tom Rush sang it best although  Joanie Mitchel  wrote it ," The Circle Game "
      "And the circles they go round and round
      painted ponies go up and down ........"

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Yes. This all happened in Italy, in history. The rich and the powerful always ruin it for everybody.
         Greed.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/ … ion-scheme

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   We were hoping Trump would be able to activate the economy and get it percolating again, but not at the expense of the environment.
   This is a troubling article.
   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/busi … teams.html

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      But don't you suppose Kathryn ,that a lot of this environmental "setback" is just reversing the overzealous Obama gains in the issues of the enviro especially in that Obama's people were working towards the extremes ie. Kyoto ?agreements etc....?

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   I thought the term was funny yet If you're implying that anything from the left in today's political world resembles civility.whatsoever ?
   You just won the Joke of the Day award .
   

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      PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Horse, surely you can see, even if you can't admit it, that Obama epitomized class and dignity as President while our current oval office occupant epitomizes churlishness and indecency.

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      Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      The concept of courtesy and civility is over the heads of some. I laugh at comments about Obama being decent and civil, as if his good manners is supposed to gloss over everything being said by a person who can recognize his courtesy, but not the ridiculousness of their attempt to use it as justification for being otherwise.

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 5 years ago

   He might as well. He's no Democrat.

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