CNN Impeachment reason #157 Trump ,Queen

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   Apparently Trump momentarily stepped in front of the Queen in reviewing the guards but after she motioned him forwards ....and uhh before he  stepped back to her side again ?
   
   OMG , Impeach Trump Now........... [again]!

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      Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I saw that. What a bunch of bull. We don't recognize royalty anyway so who cares where anyone was standing and when?
      
      Edit. I'm reminded of a line from Downton Abbey. The granny from America observed it was the Brits adherence to tradition that drug the world through two world wars.

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         wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Wait.  Could we, as a gesture of conciliation and contrition, give them a gift of the state of California?  Would they accept, forgive and forget?
         
         Or would they turn up a royal nose at those "upstart Colonials" and their worthless gesture?

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            Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I would rather give them Idaho or Texas...California is America and it stays.

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               Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

               I would rather give them Idaho or Texas...California is America and it stays.

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                  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I love the redwoods.  How about just the portion San Francisco and south?
                  
                  After all, what can be more American than cowboys and wide open spaces, and less American than concrete anthills?
                  
                  O beautiful for spacious skies,
                  For amber waves of grain,
                  For purple mountain majesties
                  Above the fruited plain!

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                     Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     I love the redwoods.  How about just the portion San Francisco and south?
                     
                     No way, San Francisco is too cool!
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                     After all, what can be more American than cowboys and wide open spaces, and less American than concrete anthills?
                     
                     Oh, yeah, the stuff of American folklore and legend, no more reflecting the reality of a barbaric period than John Wayne on a hobby horse. The "tin Lizzie" was an American construct, I would not define ourselves by that today.
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                     O beautiful for spacious skies,
                     For amber waves of grain,
                     For purple mountain majesties
                     Above the fruited plain!
                     
                     This can stay.....

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                        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        I've been to SF.  Dirty, parks unusable from homeless tents, beggars on every corner, afraid to walk around at night.  Horrible traffic, costs no one but a millionaire can afford.
                        There is nothing "cool" about it. Except the Golden Gate park and bridge - those were cool.  And Bubba Gump's - I liked Bubba Gump's on pier 39.  Oh, and I liked the old cable cars, too.

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                           Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           I've been to SF.  Dirty, parks unusable from homeless tents, beggars on every corner, afraid to walk around at night.  Horrible traffic, costs no one but a millionaire can afford.
                           
                           This is case with most major American metropolitan areas. But that is where the jobs and money are to be found. We all have to be gainfully employed and the means for that is not found in the countryside. San Francisco just happens to be a superlative case of that reality. The eclectic nature of the residents of that city and the energy associated with a diverse and wide variety of people is attractive in of itself. There are not many boring moments.
                           
                           
                           One thing we do agree on is that the "Bubba Gump's" restaurant has some great seafood. We visited one while in Maui a few years back and another outlet in Honolulu not long afterwards. Now, you have got me wondering, are there any here in Central Florida?

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            Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know, wouldn't that start a war with Mexico? They named half the towns in it.

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               wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Shush!  The Brits may not know that!

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         GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Now it appears that even the courtesy of respect for the traditions and cultural ways of others is a partisan issue.
         
         An inadvertent goof, (if it was one), is still a goof. A show of character would be to express regret for it and move on. Disrespecting someone for this type of issue is certainly not a show of character.
         
         Is it possible that the Left's charge of Pres. Trump lowering the bar of civility and courteous civil behavior to that of a knucklehead could be true?
         
         Comments like this sure make it look so.
         
         GA

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            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Seems to me it is incumbent on both people to make an effort.  One to make an effort to appease local idiosyncrasies and the other to make an effort to forgive errors.
            
            It's not as if "cultural ways" are the same world wide, or even static within one culture.  Only one who has spend years living within that culture can know them all and even then will make errors and mistakes.  To expect a foreigner to know how to hold their pinky when drinking tea, and take offense when they don't, is as bad as making no effort to follow protocol at all.

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               GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               I certainly agree with your comment Wilderness. But, I still feel my comment was valid.
               
               Here is ... the rest of the story.
               
               I was unaware of this controversy. My only information was the details in the thread. And I didn't see the need to go get more details.
               
               It sounded as if Pres. Trump breached protocol and stepped in front of the Queen. Oops. I can see that as an innocent goof.
               
               But then it was mentioned that maybe the Queen had waved him forward. So maybe it wasn't a goof after all. It was also mentioned that he then stepped back, (quickly, as in recognizing the goof????).
               
               I got the impression the Brits were upset about it.
               
               Nothing indicated to me that this was like that time Pres. Trump purposely pushed ahead of some big wigs to get to the front of the line. So whether he did it unintentionally, or, without even realizing he did it, I saw it as a goof that didn't need to be researched.
               
               So, a typical Left response to blow it out of proportion was to be expected. Given the 'apparent' current anti-Trump sentiment in London recently, a Trump-bashing outrage by some Brits, (activists, the media????), is also to be expected.
               
               What shouldn't have been expected is the comment I responded to;
               
               "We don't recognize royalty anyway so who cares where anyone was standing and when?"
               
               "...  the Brits adherence to tradition that drug the world through two world wars."
               
               That was a purely Trumpian response that was purposely disrespectful. My opinion is that to be purposely disrespectful - when it is unwarranted, is a terrible reflection of character.
               
               That is where we are now. Some of us just normal folks, (us here in the forum), don't miss a beat jumping on the lowest-common denominator band wagon.
               
               These days are wearing me down. Even my martinis aren't buffer enough for some of the really negative impressions coming from folks I would not have expected them from.
               
               But... I will burn some incense, (and maybe something else),  and meditate. I am sure I can restore my tolerance and resolve to previous levels.
               
               

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                  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Trumpian response? I thought that way long before I had ever heard of Trump. I consider it arrogance for anyone to consider another person 'royal' and expect me to agree with it.
                  
                  Common courtesy? Of course. The same as others are treated.

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                     GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Arrogance was a handy choice of words Live to learn.
                     
                     I too see arrogance; arrogance in thinking that any view that doesn't match yours is wrong. arrogance in thinking that because you don't see something as others do you don't have to offer the common courtesy of respecting their views - as their views.
                     
                     If you entered a home where it was traditional to remove your shoes, would you arrogantly refuse to do so because you don;t do it in your home and think it is "arrogant" for them to expect you to do it, or would you offer them the courtesy of respecting their view and remove your shoes?
                     
                     That's the point of the thread as I saw it, not whether or not we shared the same view of "Royalty."
                     
                     It seems that maybe I didn't misunderstand the point of your comment that I originally responded to.
                     
                     
                     

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                        Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        GA, I agree with your assessment of this matter, why be deliberately discourteous? We would say the same thing if a foreign dignatory deliberately brushed off rules of etiquette and diplomacy. Just because we do not recognize royalty here is no reason to disrespect time honored tradition from so long and by so close an ally, such as Great Britain.
                        
                        
                        When in Rome.......

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                  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  "My opinion is that to be purposely disrespectful - when it is unwarranted, is a terrible reflection of character."
                  
                  While I can conceive of situations where intentional disrespect might have a use and purpose, it would be rare indeed.  I agree with you 99.999% of the time.  And like you, all I have is the reports in this forum; I haven't seen anything else on the incident and conclude it is blown far out of proportion by Trump haters, whether on this side of the pond or the other.

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            Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry GA. Have to disagree. There was a revolution on that one. I say we have our own traditions to honor.

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               GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Well, based on that response Live to learn,  let's see if maybe I misjudged the direction of your comment, and responded rashly. I would be greatly relieved if that were the case, and would gladly offer an apology.
               
               Here is the context in which I read your comment:
               (this response to wilderness might also help you understand the "context" of my initial response: https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/339 … ost4016605 )
               
               ahorseback posted that folks; the Left, and the Brits, (some Brits???), were upset that Pres. Trump had stepped in front of the Queen.
               
               I can understand the British views of their monarchy, and the protocols they consider proper to those views; ie. you don't step in front of the Queen.
               
               The comments on the thread portrayed it as an -- most probably -- innocent goof, if it was a goof at all; it was mentioned that the Queen had possibly waved him forward.
               
               So, we would expect the Left to grab it as a club to beat on the president, and the activists and anti-Trump Brits to do the same.
               
               But ... to respond as you did:
               
               "We don't recognize royalty anyway so who cares where anyone was standing and when?"
               
               "...  the Brits adherence to tradition that drug the world through two world wars."
               
               ... seemed to completely disrespect the British view of their monarchy. And that last bit about them dragging us into two world wars was just bad taste - in the context of the issue as I have indicated.
               
               Nothing about the issue - as discussed, had anything to do with our view of a Royal monarchy, but everything to do with the British views of their monarchy.
               
               Your comment said, to me, the hell with what the British think, she ain't our Queen, so who cares if we just dump the common courtesy of respecting their views and trying to be polite.
               
               Hopefully you check out my response to Wilderness, and consider this response to you, and let me know if I misunderstood the point of your comment.
               
               Did I misinterpret your intended message, or is there really a new 'Trumpian standard' for civility and courtesy?
               
               
               

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                  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  You can create your own ideas about Trumpian things. I don't care. I guess you didn't watch Downton Abbey. The feud between those old ladies was hilarious. I guess that comment flew  left of you.
                  
                  I get the Brits in a snit over someone accidentally stepping ahead. But an American? Foolish. At best. And, honestly, your attempt to berate over something so trivial has me agreeing. You need to burn some incense or lay off the martinis. Your choice.

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                     GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     'ahhh hummmmm... ahhh hmmmm...'
                     
                     There,  all better now.
                     
                     GA :-)

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                        Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        LOL. Am I to assume you've slept it off and see more clearly?

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                           GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           No, I just decided to follow a piece of Mark Twain's advice about arguing. This thread's comment stream seems to fit it.
                           
                           ps. no need to worry about my martini consumption. Rather than degrading, they enhance my brilliance.*** :-)
                           
                           ***[THAT WAS A JOKE! A JOKE! I am not even college educated, remember?]
                           
                           GA

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                              Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              I will point out, once again but in a different way, this tempest in a tea pot is bizarre.

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                                 ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 I actually posted this thread after seeing the media issuing an opinion on what happened- I think from Sky News? .    I just couldn't wait to see the left turn this into the next "reason for impeachment ", So shame on me for predicting how it would be viewed and then over-outraged by the left . My bad ..........:-]

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                                 GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 I can agree with that Live to learn. That was my point from the start.
                                 
                                 GA

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                                    Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    Mine too. Our round about ways differ. Nothing happened.
                                    
                                    Edit. I will add that these attempts to find justification for looking down noses, simply because our reasoning brings us to the same conclusions, are tedious.

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                                       GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       Hmmm... "...looking down our noses..."
                                       
                                       I will just wonder what you mean, because the first assumption I jumped to isn't a positive one - for me.
                                       
                                       GA

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                        PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Seeing it now, eh? ;-)

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                           GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           Hi there PrettyPanther,
                           
                           I have seen it all along.
                           
                           If you understand the storyline of Fransico D'anonia, in Atlas Shrugged, you will understand why I have maintained the perspective that I have.
                           
                           But ... my resolve is being tested. :-)
                           
                           GA

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      promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I'm glad Trump embarrassed himself and our nation in front of Britain and the rest of the world (again).
      
      I'm glad he ignores diplomatic protocol and doesn't listen to briefings before attending major international events covered by world media.
      
      After all, Britain is our sworn enemy and the enemy of our new best friend, Vladimir Putin. What do we care what the Brits think?

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         Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I'm glad Trump embarrassed himself and our nation in front of Britain and the rest of the world (again).
         
         (I'm glad he ignores diplomatic protocol and doesn't listen to briefings before attending major international events covered by world media.)
         
         Trump is isn't the first American President that has violated royal protocol. But, it is his attitude of indifference toward listening and learning that makes his faut pas always more stark than others. There is nothing worse than an individual who thinks that heor she already knows it all without any indication as to where heor she would acquire the knowledge to make the claim. Knowledge through education and experience, trumps (no pun intended) intuition every time.

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   Great , I just knew I could guide the obstruction babies to a new and worthy mission , ......................Hey!   .......come on .... That took a lot of effort on my part .

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   Maxine wins the hearts of  her followers here by this example  , this unbelievable international incident " ................'peach 45 ,'peach 45 , ' peach 45 , ' peach 45 .................."
   
   Come on everybody sing it out   .....
   
   'peach 45 , 'peach 45 .......................
   
   How Could Trump do such a thing ?

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      Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      With coming blue wave that will hopefully remove and replace much of the GOP in Congress, we can render both him and his agenda powerless. No need to speak of impeachment.

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         ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Hasn't happened so far and you've had nothing but full power ahead liberal media bias ,  rocks in the street , international political  cooperation , the corruption of the previous administrations DOJ and FBI and every slanderous reason known to modern mankind
         
         That vast silent moral majority really kicks a&& ,no ?

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   Live to Learnposted 5 years ago

   It is discussions such as this which showcase why we have such a small pool of people to chose from when we move toward a presidential election. Heck, in this day and age, it's becoming almost any office. What sane person would want to be micro analyzed at every turn? Fault found at every step? Anyone who saw that clip and feigns offense is contributing to the problem.

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   But hey , If the horse escapes  the corral  ,Why lock the gate then ?

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   Aime Fposted 5 years ago

   I don’t think it was intentional I just think he’s awkward AF.
   
   This gave me a good chuckle though
   
   https://twitter.com/football_mumble/sta … 27105?s=21

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      GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Nice link Aime, Was that the goof, (minus the soccer ball of course), that this thread is about?
      
      If so... it sure looks like a silly issue to me too.
      
      GA

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         ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Actually Democrats can make as much sense of this media blunder as they have their whole Russian collusion debacle .
         
         Give them credit .

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