Donald Trump: A sad, embarrassing wreck of a man

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   promisemposted 6 years ago

   So says famed conservative columnist George F. Will.
   
   https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … story.html

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      Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Could not read the article, Promisem, the Washington Post wants paid subscriptions. I would be broke if I did that for the variety of publications that I like to peruse. But, I found the gist of it from other sources and it is appalling. If I were GOP right now, I would cut my losses and be rid of him (Trump) before more damage is done

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         promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Just a tip: Go to the article in a second browser (if you have one) after deleting its history.

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      Eurofileposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I am reminded of a chance encounter in Lisbon over 2 years ago with a couple from the USA.  At the time the Trump v Clinton election bandwagon was in full swing.  They were incredibly embarrassed, as they didn't rate either as great Presidential material.  It makes me wonder now, though, how would things be going for you with President Clinton in office?  Hindsight can be a wonderful thing!  Let's hope your next President is an improvement on President Trump!

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         ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Clinton in the White House = Russia in the White House ,for one ,   instead of just in the heads of democrats and THEIR news media !

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            Eurofileposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            That certainly puts an interesting spin on the impressions we get from reporting of the British media on American politics!

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         promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         The Republicans would be launching many investigations against her including the email server, uranium, the Clinton Foundation and Benghazi yet again.
         
         But I think her past behavior shows that she would be acting a lot more mentally stable than our current president.

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            Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            If Hillary's performance as a senator and Secretary of State is any indication of her abilities.  We're much better off with President Donald Trump.

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               promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Can you offer specific criticisms of her performance as senator and Secretary of State?
               
               Also, what are your thoughts about the George Will column? Does it concern you that some prominent conservatives are turning against Trump?

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                  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Could start with Benghazi - whether her actions were illegal or not, they were incredibly stupid and did result in loss of life.
                  
                  Then came the play for pay and the sale of Uranium reserves to our strongest enemy.
                  
                  And of course we can add refusal to abide by the law in reference to servers, complete lack of common sense concerning other digital devices, and erasure of data requested by congress.
                  
                  Is that enough?

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                     promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Not really. It sounds like "made up facts" again, as someone recently said.
                     
                     Even a Republican congressional committee couldn't blame her for stopping a terrorist attack.
                     
                     The State Department was one of 9 agencies that signed off on the uranium sale. She wasn't even the one who cast the vote for the State Department.
                     
                     If she broke the email law, why haven't Trump and the Republican Congress thrown her in jail?
                     
                     Regardless, can you answer the original post about the George Will column?

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                        ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        As you may recall a couple of months ago a select group of house reps called for the Special council of hillary's sins ,     I believe this "Hillary Investigation "is all just really beginning , in fact , I'll make a prediction ;
                        
                        If Hillary IS NOT investigated seriously  in the 1st Trump term , I suggest to you that Trump will suffer votes from his followers , we voted for Trump because he saw the incredible criminality of  both Clintons , the Clinton foundation and  the "in office crimes ".

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                        wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        "Not really. It sounds like "made up facts" again, as someone recently said."
                        
                        About as much "made up facts" as Russian interference in the election is.  Both came straight from FBI.  *edit* - referencing emails scandal here.

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                           promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           Right. We shouldn't believe the FBI, CIA, NSA, Republican Congresstional committes, British intelligence and a variety of other sources.
                           
                           They are all liars. Only Fox News tells the truth.

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                              wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              Good that you agree.  Hillary used private servers for government business while Secretary. 
                              
                              I'm rather surprised that you acknowledge that fact, but pleasantly so.

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                  Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  She was very ineffective as a Senator
                  
                  “an inability to get legislation passed is just the beginning of Senator Clinton’s shallow record. For many of the bills she introduced, she couldn’t even get a cosponsor in her own party!”
                  
                  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-han … 87613.html
                  
                  
                  She was a failue as a Secretary of State
                  
                  “Benghazi wasn’t an isolated case. Clinton failed to secure diplomatic posts in Pakistan, Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, and other global hot spots. Internal State Department reports show the posts lacked emergency plans in case of attack. Guards assigned to them had no training in chemical or biological threats and, amazingly, some hadn’t undergone background checks.
                  
                  https://nypost.com/2016/09/27/hilllarys … eally-was/
                  
                  Don't complain that it's the NY Post.  Facts are the same no matter what publication runs them.  You can find these exact same facts in other publications.

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                     promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Whether or not we agree about her, I respect the fact that you support your points with links to credible sources.

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      hard sunposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know what will convince the last die-hard Trump fans that he's not a good human. Anyone who is honest with themselves, pays attention at all, was raised with any sort of morals, and is not a sociopath themselves should have recognized this a LONG time ago. That has nothing to do with politics.

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         ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         It has everything to do with politics and nothing more .
         Frankly , your party has never healed itself from the incredible ask' whipping Trump gave to Hillary , Hillary's entire News Media and Hillary's reality blind followers .Yes, Trump is just as personally dislikable as Obama was to being falsely  likeable ,  Most of America knows that . Point is , Trump is by far the better leader in the position as President , Obama  had ONE thing going for him , charisma .Period.

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            crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Flying Spaghetti Monster!
            
            The subtext to Promisem's original point was that when one of the leading conservative columnists in the country criticizes the President as a sad, wreck of a man things have definitely taken a turn.

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               ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Brokecrank ! How are you ?

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            hard sunposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Wow. First. no party is my party. No, it's not politics when you're talking about general decency,  and that's what I'm talking about. And somehow, Hillary gets drug into the conversation, of course. I never liked Hillary too much. "Falsely likable" that's totally illogical. You can be likable in part because you are deceiving, but you are still likable. Trump is a stain of a person.

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               ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Makes no difference as to the relationship of likability and leadership qualities , Perhaps its time for a president who's "a stain of a person " to have taken command,  America get's shyte upon everytime  decency leads us , ask Jimmy Carter , the last democrat I voted for .     Reagan knew true leadership and was hated by the left , Trump follows suit .   
               Obama "was a stain of the man   "in  leadership required of the most powerful nation on earth . But hey' who's counting .

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                  hard sunposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Trump can't even figure out what he wants to do or say from one day to the next. He contradicts himself, sometimes within the same sentence, and can't get the support of his own cabinet half the time.
                  
                  What's more is he can't hold a press conference with Putin without having to backtrack and say he mispoke, or was misunderstood. He's the antithesis of a strong leader.
                  
                  I think Reagan was an OK person and President.  Why do you keep bringing up "the left." I keep telling you I'm an American not left wing or right wing. Does it make you more comfortable to say I'm from "the left" because I don't like Trump?
                  
                  Trump is not even from "the right." . For example, right wing presidents are for free trade. He's lost support of much of the true conservatives. He's just not conservative. I don't think he knows what he is, other than he likes to get money--sue people, get loans, and file bankruptcy... and power, but Putin seems to hold all the power.

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         promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         You make a great point about leadership. Character is just as important as policies.

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         GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Hi there hard sun, I would disagree with your last point - I think it has everything to do with politics.
         
         I think that it is only the desperation of too many voters* for some kind of fix for what they/we/I see as a political system so out of whack  -- relative to what we perceive as our best interests, and what we perceived as our national identity -- that only a major disruption like candidate Trump proposed could fix it. (*talking about average folks here, not the extremes or fringes)
         
         Candidate Trump's words fit the need, and combined with the massive public dislike of candidate Clinton by almost all but hardcore Democrats, I think many voters held their noses thinking the public display of his personal deficits were just part of his campaign strategy, and that he would really be more presidential once elected. Or, that the costs of enduring those deficits was the price of the the fix.
         
         We have all seen the opinions on how that has worked out. Great or deplorable - take your pick.
         
         Then, I think there is another thought. Could this be a case where the medicine to cure is so bad that it seems like keeping the disease is a better choice. Hmm...
         
         GA

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            hard sunposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            "Candidate Trump's words fit the need"
            
            The need for what, to drive the country apart even further. To destroy our nation? Yes, keeping the disease is much better in this situation. The economy was climbing under Obama. Hell, since Trump, the company I work for sent two departments to the Philippines and my kid's job was sent overseas.
            
            I cannot disagree more. It is definitely about morals and values, which is more than politics. I'm sure the Nazi's said it was just politics too. That doesn't make it true.
            
            "Average folks" turn into the extremes real quick, especially when a presidential candidate, and now president is encouraging them to. We have a moral crisis in America, and it starts with leadership. Average folk spread hate like they are giving out candy. They need to take a step back and chill...understand what they are destroying. Is America the worst nation ever? Listening to Trump supporters, you would think so. That is not patriotic.

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            promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            GA, I largely agree with your post except for this part: "the massive public dislike of candidate Clinton by almost all but hardcore Democrats".
            
            She won the popular vote by a margin predicted by the polls. The popular vote for her showed wide national support including some independents.

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               GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               yeah... You are probably right promisem. some independents probably supported her. I must admit my thoughts are  definitely colored when it comes to Hillary Clinton.
               
               GA

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                  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  LOL. On that point we agree again. I'm not a fan.

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               Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               I don't agree it showed wide national support.  It showed she had strong support in only two parts of the country. That's why the electoral college is so important.

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                  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Mike, she won the popular vote and she lost the Electoral College.
                  
                  I support the EC because the founding fathers made it so.

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         promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Trump's behavior says as much about his diehard fans as it does about Trump.
         
         Character matters just as much with voters as it does with Presidents.

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            hard sunposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Exactly. If you still support Trump after seeing how he acts in public, the way he tweets put downs to Americans almost daily, then you have a character issue. That is saying nothing about his policy, and that's why I state it has nothing to do with politics at this point.
            
            If you can look the other way just because you want him to push through economic reforms or put a Supreme Court Justice in, then you are contributing to the decay of American values. I've dealt with his type since the schoolyard. I've been put into very bad positions partly due to people like him, children with a lot of money, who feel better when they bring others down.
            
            That's real talk...and I don't care if it doesn't sit well with some individuals and groups.

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   ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

   So really , How many people consider George Will  anything but  Hillary's favorite  Journal keeper ?

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      promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Are you saying that George Will -- who spend many years on Fox News as a commentator -- is not a conservative?

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         crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Promisem, heads are starting to explode among Trump supporters who are starting to realize that their beloved President Trump is actually a Russian agent - or at least somebody who acts like one.
         
         Remember the days when conservatives bashed liberals for using complex arguments that seemed to "blame America"? Now we have a supposedly conservative President who stood next to the Russian president and actually blamed America. He actually said we were to blame for Russian belligerence.
         
         Next thing you know conservatives will be advocating for abortions and welfare.

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            ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Quite the contrary , "..........Heads are exploding ..........Trump is a Russian agent .............Will a Fox Commentator ........." .......God , liberals are  trying to do thought transfer  now , keep it up we will all be a ideologically retarded  , hysterically  mind altered  , intellectually regressive    ?
            
            
            

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               crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               More Flying Spaghetti Monster!

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               crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               The Daily Mirror captioned Trump as “Putin’s Poodle”. Man, nice job earning the world’s respect.
               
               In all seriousness though, tell me what conservatives would have done if Obama had done what Trump did next to Putin.

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                  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Obama did the same in the middle east , bowing to the enemy , . Outrage there ?

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            promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Credence, I think it's remarkable that even Fox News commentators are turning on Trump. That's quite a change for them.

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               GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Ha! You didn't watch long enough promisem. First, you should qualify that as some commentators, and then you should have viewed Hannity and Ingram.
               
               Wait, wait, maybe I jumped the gun. Maybe it is only the pre-9pm, (when most regular folks are listening), that are "turning on Trump."
               
               GA

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                  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh, GA, please. I didn't say ALL Fox commentators are turning on him, did I? Are we really getting into the weeds that much?

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                     GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     promisem, you need a chill pill. It was a joke! I was agreeing with you. Hell would freeze over before Hannity and Ingram would beat-up on Pres. Trump.
                     
                     Or, did I misunderstand your reply, and I am the one that needs a pill?
                     
                     GA

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                        promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        GA, I'm sorry, but I didn't see any hint of a joke or an indication that you were agreeing with me. It read like a rebuke.
                        
                        After all, we have a lengthy history of fierce debate. 
                        
                        I'll ask for clarification next time ...

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                           GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           No worries bud, although I thought the "hell would freeze over" was a good clue. Maybe I am the one that needs to be more clear.
                           
                           GA

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               crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Imagine, people actually adhering to their ideology!

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      crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Flying Spaghetti Monster!!

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   ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

   George Will was also a leading commentator for ABC , Who's ABC ? One of the most liberal news organizations in America  .
   Not exactly" a leading conservative.........." anything .
   Bright , Yes !   But he is just as biased as his present employers .

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   Credence2posted 6 years ago

   Anyone ever hear of the "Manchurian Candidate"? Trump and Putin?

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      ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Obama and Lenin ?

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         promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Trump and Hitler? 

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            Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Obviously, Horse did not read the book. We are talking about a individual brainwashed by China, in the past sent to the U.S. to infiltrate and assassinate a prominent American leader. Trump for me in regards to sucking up to Putin and aligning himself with the Russian objective of undermining the principles behind American democracy is thereby destroying the country and taking the role of the mole or 5th columnist.

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               ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Yeeaaaa !  Impeachment # 170 Credence , You Did It !
               Yes , Credence ,I  read the most boring book in history!
               
               You always amaze me my friend !

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      hard sunposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      That only happens in the movies...until Trojan horse Trump came along.

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   ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

   Don't follow the lead of media bias , Trumps a gamer , a good gambler , Is he supposed to consider each opinion of ours as Americans ? He keeps the  diplomatic and obstruction  forces jumping from dodge to dodge ,   That is winning , while history tells us most other nations traditionally take advantage of our economy , our military , our UN contributions , our trade deficits ,  The GOP is sitting on their hands , The dems worse ...........
   
   "Trump can't even figure out what he wants to say one day to the next ........" NO , you and most others can't and that makes for a winning negotiator !   Don't be fooled.

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      hard sunposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, he's a stable genius who is just keeping us all on our toes. Don't fall for the media's narrative, just follow the world's biggest snake oil salesman who can't even put a coherent sentence together. You seem to follow the same school of "debating." Just throw things out there, make up quotes, and whatever sticks is fine. That doesn't get results and that's why he can't get much passed a Congress controlled by his own party. It works on Muricans but not Americans. and talks about walking up and grabbing pussies like it's something we all say.
      
      He is a moral turd, even if he were an effective leader, I can't support people that I can't even respect.

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         ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Well there you go ............wait till next time ?

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            hard sunposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe, maybe not. That's how democracies work. Do we need a civics discussion as well as a morality check?

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               ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               I doubt you know the difference between a snake oil salesman  and a snake  but  that's your problem ,  still hoping for that impeachment huh , maybe attempt # 170 will do it for you .
               Go Maxine .

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                  hard sunposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Making assumptions again and running with them. A snake oil salesman and a snake? I know 3rd graders that come up with better than that. Go back to your stable.

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                     ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Angry ,a sign you've been in the hard sun too long .

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               promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               "Morality" is a word that just isn't used often enough these days.

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   ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

   Funny isn't it , "A sad embarrassin wreck of a man " , Made it to the presidency over what twenty five others ?    Maybe that is the "wreck ",  Perhaps the "sad" is the reaction of an entire two party election system duped by their  own electoral incompetence , maybe  the greater "embarrassing" part is hillary still on her apology tour two years later ,embarrassing  husband at her side ?
   
   But yea , Trump sure is a failure ?

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   GA Andersonposted 6 years ago

   Hello again hard sun, I can see you feel strongly about your perspective.
   
   Your Hitler comparison tells me you feel so strongly that it would be useless for me to offer another perspective for you to consider.
   
   While I don't disagree there may be Trump supporters that fit your description, just as there would be supporters of other politicians that could fit the same description, I believe there are other, and I would think they would be the majority of Trump supporters, that would fit one of the "why" descriptions I offered.
   
   So hang in there, time will tell us if yours is the only possible explanation for why some folks are still supporting him.
   
   GA

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      hard sunposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      "I'm sure the Nazi's said it was just politics too. That doesn't make it true."
      
      Is this the Hitler comparison? If so, that does ring true for more than just Trump supporters.
      
      Yes, I do have "feelings" about the situation. Feelings which are based on living in one of the most Trump supported infested lands in America and a lifetime of experiences with my eyes wide open.
      
      Feelings are good.
      
      Stating I could not disagree with you more does not make it "the only possible explanation." It means I disagree with your assessment. I do think, and feel, that America has a moral crisis.
      
      If you can look the other way just because you want him to push through economic reforms or put a Supreme Court Justice in, then you are contributing to the decay of American values.
      
      I've dealt with his type since the schoolyard. I've been put into very bad positions partly due to people like him, children with a lot of money, who feel better when they bring others down.
      
      That's real talk...and I don't care if it doesn't sit well with some individuals and groups.
      
      Thanks. I'll definitely hang in there...that's what I do, no matter where my country has taken me.
      
      Keep it real and have fun.

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   ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

   Impeach Trump now , when you do will it too look a lot like this?
   

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   JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years ago

   Donald Trump: A sad, embarrassing wreck of a man:
   
   America is OUTRAGED once again in our darkest times and Traitor Trump must receive his legal due for ALL his atrocious crimes including his latest treasonous behavior and constant destructive actions to undermine the very foundation of the USA, otherwise the most dangerous precedent will be established:
   
   The ONLY happy human is his master Vladimir Putin who could never have imagined or dreamed of such a loyal, obedient stooge::
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_jqKtnW2Ec

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