President Donald Trump Again?

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  1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
    Miebakagh57posted 12 months ago

    Despite all the socio-political questions hanging about, how would you picture former president Donald Trump, as a potential candidate in the 2024 piesidentialrace? Can he make it again? Will the GOP give him a second chance?

    1. Sharlee01 profile image80
      Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Great question., and one that we can all sink our teeth into.

      Donald Trump’s fate in the 2024 GOP teeters, and in my view will depend on whether he has retained the broad support he secured in 2016 from an unexpected variety of voters that compose his base. If he wins the primary, I feel other more conservative Republican voters will come out and vote for him ---  I feel when push comes to shove Republicans will be out in historic numbers. If for nothing else to boot Democrats
      out of power.

      It will be a nail-biter, down to wire all-out brawl.

      The GOP may be forced to give him a second chance if he wins the primary.

      1. gmwilliams profile image85
        gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        +100000000.

      2. Miebakagh57 profile image74
        Miebakagh57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Sharlee01, that support the former PONTUS won in 2016 will surely be garner again.                                         Trump lost these bases due to his mismanagement or misunderstanding of the pandemic.                                Now 'we the people' are worried and baffle about the course and direction of the American nation. So the people will think twice again.                                   Then as you presume should he win the primary, he will surely gain the confidence of the Republicans.

    2. abwilliams profile image68
      abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I picture him, PRESENT, unlike the current guy.

      1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
        Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        abwilliam, my response is coming very late.                                 Despite all the many odds Trump is facing like the Janauary 6, 2022 Capitol Inssurrection brought against him, Trump still bull's on ahead with the Spirit of Apollo. Good for him.                                                 Yes, he'll be present in the race to the presidency.

    3. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
      Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Well, he's lost twice - even before January 6.

      1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
        Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Agreed. And he found his way out of the woods twice?

        1. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
          Kathleen Cochranposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          I wouldn't call being indicted several times "finding his way out of the woods".

  2. ravirajan01 profile image95
    ravirajan01posted 12 months ago

    I remember the quote from Franklin Pierce Adams.

    "Elections are won by men and women chiefly because most people vote against somebody rather than for somebody."

    Most of the time, we voters get swayed by personal charisma rather than the work done on the ground. So the question should be, who has done better work to win rather than who has done a more shoddier job?

    By that yardstick, I agree with Sharlee that it might be a nail-biter finish.

    1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
      Miebakagh57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Thank you, ravi. They's great consideration and comparison of works done by Trump and Biden.                                               They will decide well again being now in they right senses.                                                I take it also that the battle royal will be such that the people wik like to severe  America from the apdndage of any oriental country.

  3. Lora Hollings profile image82
    Lora Hollingsposted 12 months ago

    I don’t think it’s likely that Trump will run again. I think it’s more likely that he’ll end up being indicted for tampering with election results and trying to commit voter fraud in Georgia and of leading a violent insurrection on our capital. In fact, he could end up in jail. A much more appropriate place for such a corrupt man than in the White House! I think that his crimes are finally going to catch up with him.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image80
      Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Does it at all concern you that although he has been accused of many, many crimes for over six years now --- he has not been indicted of any crime? I would feel it should at this point make some that hold on to the hope he will be indicted start asking themselves, why has he not been indicted? We have had many of our best legal minds trying to find chargeable crimes that Trump may have committed.

      I can say one thing, the fortitude is amazing with those that hold on to the hope Trump will be indicted.

      1. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
        Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        "he has not been indicted of any crime" 

        Yet.

    2. Miebakagh57 profile image74
      Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Well, we'll watch and see if you musing comes true.                                                 By the way, which American president has land in jail in your life time?

      1. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
        Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Nixon would have been convicted by impeachment had he not resigned. We had a different GOP in 1974. They were statesmen. They put the law first. We don't have that any more.

  4. abwilliams profile image68
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    I think they believe all of the b.s. Sharlee, because it has been reinforced for so many years {not proven, no smoking guns, no indictments} just reinforcement!

    1. Sharlee01 profile image80
      Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I  must agree. I also will admit I find it so odd, almost baffling that some are so obsessed with their hope that Trump is arrested --- for just about anything.  The hate is palpable in the country. It is sad to witness.  We can only try to keep our heads clear and use good common sense to guide us, and above all not join in the hysteria.  I try my best to keep to the facts. They are all out there one only needs to take a bit of time and find them.

    2. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
      Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Watch Fulton County, GA. It's not over.

  5. Lora Hollings profile image82
    Lora Hollingsposted 12 months ago

    Trump has gotten away with so many shady and downright illegal activities even before he served as president. I don’t think people are obsessed with seeing him getting his due desserts, it’s just a matter of justice being served! There were innocent people killed as a result of the Capitol riot he instigated and then taking high security documents and hiding them in his residence! It’s high time that this man is held accountable! If anything, it’s Trump and his followers who are guilt of hate and causing divisiveness in our country.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image80
      Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Lora

      I must correct you in regard to the deaths that occurred as a result of a 6th riot. I think facts should be repeated more than rumors. Your statement does ring true that all the people were innocent soles, but just not KILLED. We had one person that was fatally shot and killed, a Trump supporter by the name of  Ashli Babbitt.

      "WASHINGTON – The District of Columbia medical examiner on Wednesday released the cause of death for four of the five people who died at the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, but results are still pending for Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick.

      Dr. Francisco Diaz, the district's chief medical examiner, announced the causes of deaths as:

      • Ashli Babbitt, 35, died by homicide from a gunshot to the left shoulder. She was shot by a Capitol police officer while trying to climb through a door near the House chamber.

      • Kevin Greeson, 55, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease. Greeson, of Athens, Alabama, had a Twitter account in which he supported former President Donald Trump and profanely denounced his opponents.

      • Benjamin Phillips, 50, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Phillips of Ringtown, Pennsylvania, was a computer programmer who founded a social media website for Trump supporters. He had organized a trip of several dozen people to the district.

      • Roseanne Boyland, 34, died by accident from acute amphetamine intoxication. Boyland, of Georgia, wanted to be a sobriety counselor and followed QAnon conspiracies, her family said."
      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 128040002/

      In regard to the fact that Trump did take documents when he left the White House, I prefer to wait and see what the DOJ does with that matter. We have a special counsel investigating the issue. 

      I prefer to not accuse anyone of a crime before all the evidence is presented by law enforcement.

      In regard to your sentiment about "Trump followers" I don't put entire groups group of individuals in any one basket. I will leave that to those that find that kind of mindset plausible.

      Shar

      1. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
        Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        The fact that those people died after the riot itself and for conditions that already existed relieves the rioters and their instigators of any responsibility for their deaths? Only folks who have embraced questionable reasoning for too long could come to that conclusion. Please don't present questionable reasoning as fact.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image80
          Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Your comment makes no sense. Sorry, you need to follow a complete conversation before jumping in or your comment makes no sense. All that died on that day were there of their own free will, supporting Trump. 

          Here is the comment that I was responding to --- Note the word "KILLED". 

          LORI comment --    "Trump has gotten away with so many shady and downright illegal activities even before he served as president. I don’t think people are obsessed with seeing him getting his due desserts, it’s just a matter of justice being served! There were innocent people KILLED as a result of the Capitol riot he instigated and then taking high security documents and hiding them in his residence! It’s high time that this man is held accountable! If anything, it’s Trump and his followers who are guilt of hate and causing divisiveness in our country."


          We were discussing who DIED on the day of the riot. I presented the facts.
          ONE WAS KILLED the rest DIED.

          • Ashli Babbitt, 35, died by homicide from a gunshot to the left shoulder. She was shot by a Capitol police officer while trying to climb through a door near the House chamber.

          • Kevin Greeson, 55, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease. Greeson, of Athens, Alabama, had a Twitter account in which he supported former President Donald Trump and profanely denounced his opponents.

          • Benjamin Phillips, 50, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Phillips of Ringtown, Pennsylvania, was a computer programmer who founded a social media website for Trump supporters. He had organized a trip of several dozen people to the district.

          • Roseanne Boyland, 34, died by accident from acute amphetamine intoxication. Boyland, of Georgia, wanted to be a sobriety counselor and followed QAnon conspiracies, her family said.

          I would appreciate it if you would follow the conversation and the context of the conversation.

    2. abwilliams profile image68
      abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Yes correct Lora, one innocent person did die that day. She was a staunch Trump supporter; her name was Ashli Babbitt!! It is a myth that any one else died that day or as a result of that day.
      There is no evidence of any incitement by Trump, another myth...but there IS evidence of him attempting to de-escalate the situation.

      1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
        Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        The last sentence no doubt is corroct, and no person that hate or dislike Trump will admited that.

      2. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
        Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        The lies being written in this discussion give me little hope for America. The fact that they are in the minority gives me hope.

        1. abwilliams profile image68
          abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          You are responding directly to me. Be specific Kathleen, where's the lie?

      3. Sharlee01 profile image80
        Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Ashli was the only one that died due to the protest.  That is just a fact.  I just created a thread in regard to the subject. The tape shows as well as an autopsy report showing died of natural causes.  Brian Sicknick (a Trump Supporter) was alive and well doing his duty throughout the protest, and was on tape showing protesters out after he was supposed to have been beaten to near death...  Yet the lie continues to spread.

      4. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
        Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Ms. Babbitt was breaking the law when she was killed. She wasn't innocent by any definition.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image80
          Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          It funny there were thousands breaking the law that day, and only one unarmed woman was shot. No officers but one found it necessary to use their gun.  The video of her being shot was very telling, you can find it on youtube. As she climbed through the window, there were several officers just there behind her within about two feet I would say. They did not find her a threat?

          Maybe watch the video. You will see officers behind her, and the ones to respond immediately to care for her.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjscskqLx0U

    3. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
      Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Thank you, Lora, for joining this discussion. The majority should be heard.

  6. Sharlee01 profile image80
    Sharlee01posted 11 months ago

    Trump's February bump ... Polls show Trump pulling ahead of Desantis in several polls.   https://www.axios.com/2023/03/01/trump-polling-february

    1. peoplepower73 profile image89
      peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      "In regard to your sentiment about "Trump followers" I don't put entire groups group of individuals in any one basket. I will leave that to those that find that kind of mindset plausible."

      Whether you like it or not we are all in groups, especially in the political arena.  It is human nature to be in groups. You are in a conservative group that supports Trump and hope he doesn't go to jail.  I am in in a liberal group that doesn't support Trump and hope he does go to jail.  Politics today is very triable.

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Problem is that YOU are assigning groups; groups that do not contain the people you put there.

        For instance, "You are in a conservative group that supports Trump".  The assumption is that all conservatives support Trump for President, which is patently untrue.  I would guess that less than half do; that they would vote for Trump only as a vote against another far left liberal like Biden.  Certainly that was the case when Trump was elected, and it will be the case if he is elected again.

      2. Miebakagh57 profile image74
        Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        'I am in in a liberal group that doesn't support Trump and hope he does go to jail'.                                      Yea, my question is 'which American president in your life time has ever land in jail?'                                        I ask this question here 8 days ago. And no answer. Trump said he does no wrong. Why them do certain groups wants him to be committed to prison?

        1. peoplepower73 profile image89
          peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Trump lies to not only protect himself, but to promote himself at the expense of others. Criminal charges should be brought against him for inciting Jan. 6.

          Biden won the election fair and square, but Trump tried to steal it from Biden, not Biden stealing it from Trump.  Ashli Babbitt was motivated by Trump to break into the house chamber. She was shot and killed right on the spot.  If Trump had not created Jan. 6., she would probably have even been there. If Trump and his cohorts had not organized Jan. 6., there would have been no riots and trying to overthrow the government..

          1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
            Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            'If Trump had not created Jan. 6., she would probably have even be there'. I'm sorry if you own up to the above quote.                                       Sorry again that you deviated or took a detour in answering my simple quetion. Why d'you beat about the busy?                                   While a gal here have answer the question: none has land in goal.                                  A month ago, 3 state governors hnstituted a civil suit against the president of  Nigeria, Muhamadu Buhari, Nigeria's Central Bank Governor, and the  Minister of Justice for mismanaging the circulation of Nigeria's currency, causing cash crunch in circulation, hunger, and hardship to all the citizens. The Supreme Court has finally ruled in favour of the appallant. The later are now filling another sult against the Min of Justice and the CBN governor to prison. The first suit is a succes. The second must succeed likewise. Critically, Nigerians Courts and Juiciary System are pattern after the British and the USA.

            1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
              Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

              President Buhari will end his term on 29 May 2023. Then, only then he'll be included in the second suit. What ya say?                                       Holy wonder, the stone which the misguided Americans has rejected will again become the headstone.

        2. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
          Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          America is not based on someone saying they have done no wrong. It is based on the difference between right and wrong.
          No. No president has ever gone to jail. But we've never had a Trump. He's broken every precedent. He'll break that one too.

      3. Sharlee01 profile image80
        Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        My context is clear I, myself, don't put entire groups of individuals into baskets. I try to be specific when pointing a finger. However, I can agree with you, our society here in America is divided into groups. Just do not want to be one that ascribes to putting anyone person in a basket. The Republican party is split into a few " baskets" at this time. All of them support different paths and most certainly have different agendas.

        I am a conservative, and I have made it clear it is my hope that Trump does not run. I am hoping for brand-new candidates on both sides. I have been blunt, I hope the candidates are much younger. I do prefer the MAGA agenda, and I am hoping to have a Republican candidate that will also support that agenda or much of that agenda.

        I have also been honest and forthright in that I will be voting Republican in 2024. I want the Democrats out period.

        I have never made the claim one way or the other in regard to Trump being jailed. I support the laws of the country, if Trump is indicted for a crime, I will consider him innocent until proven guilty. I don't feel it moral to condemn someone and look for evidence after smearing them, and openly slandering them. Thus far Trump has not been indicted, and I think it safe to say that the DOJ would indite him on just about anything if they felt he broke a law.

        Do you not in the least find it odd that he is accused of breaking laws, but with some of the best legal brains, he is not indicted? Should this not make you pause?

        I am so blessed not to have fallen into a very prevalent mindset of citizens that can accuse someone of a crime without any evidence of a crime.

        1. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
          Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          The evidence is being collected. Wait for it.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image80
            Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            l will let you do that ... Myself, I don't dwell on if - comes.  Not sure that
            is a healthy kind of mindset.

            1. abwilliams profile image68
              abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Unbelievable Sharlee!! SMH

              1. Sharlee01 profile image80
                Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                Yes, very inappropriate.  When someone makes a comment such as that, they need to back it up with a quote.

          2. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Been hearing that for years and years.  Tired of waiting for what never comes.

        2. peoplepower73 profile image89
          peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I am sure you feel the same way about Hunter Biden that he is innocent until proven guilty by a court of law?

          Congressional investigations work in just the opposite way.  The members assume one is guilty until proven innocent, or they just dry up, like they did with Hillary and Benghazi.

          We had a changing of the guard when the select committee to investigate Trump was dissolved by the GOP majority in house.

          I don't pause about Trump.  He is like a mafia boss, he has others do his dirty work for him. His very high paid lawyers use every tactic in the books to keep him from going to jail. 

          History shows it takes a long time to get to the point where justice is served to the boss after taking out all the lieutenants. We still haven't heard from the grand jury's final decision and Jack Smith and his Special Council yet.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image80
            Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            'I am sure you feel the same way about Hunter Biden that he is innocent until proven guilty by a court of law?"

            I feel the same way about hunter as I do Trump. He has not been indicted, he is innocent until proven guilty.

            We do need to wait for Jack Smith's report and see if he recommends indictments to the DOJ.

        3. Miebakagh57 profile image74
          Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          'I do prefer the MAGA agenda, and I'm hoping to have a Republican candidate'.                                      Sherlee, I understand your mindset in the specifics. Is it correct to say that Trump birth MAGA or he's an important figure in it's formation?                                     I'm yet to meet a person like you who, if s(he) (is) a  Rep or Dem will vote for the other if that makes sense to rock America to greater heights.                                     Seriously, you'll not know what's in the heart of an old man that he wants to come back.                                       Oddly, take Nigerian's Mathew Aremo Olusegun Obasanjo as a case study. He was a General in the Nigerian Army and a Military Head of State. Having retired he came back in  Nigeria's nascent democracy as 2 term civillian president. He attempted a third bid, but the Nigerian Constitution bar him.                       The question is what made such personalities goes that extra? Popularity? Continuty? No one can tell.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image80
            Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            At this time in our history we need to put America and Americans first for a bit. I feel many are being left behind, due to our educational system, and I think generally America is floundering and stagnating. In my view, we are moving away from the very Constitution that helped build this county.

            I had hoped Trump would step aside, and let another pick up the agenda he bolstered.  I am not at all sure why this man won't just walk away from the turmoil that being president has gotten him. He could be living a good life, without wolves biting at his back.

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              "He could be living a good life, without wolves biting at his back."

              The wolves are not going to stop until he is in prison or dead.  Too much hate, too much fear of losing power.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image80
                Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                I agree, I see the hatred of Trump as a pure phenomenon.  It is downright scary.  There is no real foundation to substantiate the hate many have for this man.

                The hate they have for all Trump, In my view, seems to shelter them from the mess this Democratic administration and Pupet Joe have made of the Country, actually the world.

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  I think you're right - there is an inability to see anything but Trump, complete with horns and tail.  Biden's massive failures are hidden behind those horns.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image80
                    Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    So true --- Look here not there. Scary stuff.

                  2. Miebakagh57 profile image74
                    Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Awful or funny?                                   The  phychology of 'real'  Donald Trump is compldx. One trait of this complex is the more he shuttled up, the more the hawks get at him. And as wilderness said, the Dems and like-minds wouldn't give him a respite, I think even in his grave.                                    Poor real  Donald Trump, he's a jolly good man.

                2. Credence2 profile image78
                  Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  Why is the "hatred for Trump" any different from hatred for Biden made evident in your posts and that of so many Right leaning posters?

                  The Right will tell you there is a difference, what is it?

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image80
                    Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    I do offer many threads in regard to current Biden news.  As a rule, I offer little to no opinion on my OP. I do join in if comments are posted, and offer my views.

                    I find Hunpages different than most political chats. Most handle current news, that will touch on news of the day. I have come to prefer this kind of conversation. So, you are correct I do post lots about Biden.

                    I my view there is a difference, a clear difference that you may not have recognized. We on the right here on HP's forum join in when discussing Trump. The threads that I post on current Biden blunders are either ignored by those that lean left or a quick deflect is projected.

                    This should make you think.   It's very clearly a phenomenon. We conversed about Trump. There is very little conversation about Biden.

                    Some on the right as conservatives don't delve into bashing either Trump or Biden. And choose to ignore the very current actions of Biden. Some of those on the left just do not want to discuss Biden's blunders, too uncomfortable to pursue.

                    I don't think posting news about a current president should denote the poster hates him. In fact, I don't think I see any truely hateful words posted about Biden. Yes, derogatory assumptions, and personal views on his actions. But hate oriented, no.

                    Biden will come and go. He will soon be forgotten, and his mistakes with him.  As most presidents.  Trump will be hounded and slandered until he dies, IMO.

                    The funny thing, IMO, is Trump was a pretty good president, for the people, and it went unnoted by half the country. That shows me something, something that I would have preferred never to see.

                  2. Miebakagh57 profile image74
                    Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Credence, you're a Dem, correct? Or you seems to be in their group, right?                                                  Do ya like Trump? I've not noted that you've say a good lovely word on Trump life and deed here nor there.

                3. peoplepower73 profile image89
                  peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  Since you people can't understand why Trump is not liked, the following is why:

                  In my view, Trump is a narcissistic, egotistical master con artist who is obsessed at winning at any cost to himself and others.  If you have watched any competitive endeavor, you expect that once a person or persons lose, they accept the loss and go on with their lives.  But Trump does not have that capacity.

                  In his first campaign, he slandered 16 competitors by insulting them and their families. In the debate with Hillary when she was on the stage, he stood behind her and followed her around the stage to intimidate her.

                  One of the first things he did, by his own admission, as president was to divide the country into us and them by calling the real news the fake news and fake news the real news, so if he was ever questioned about anything he could say that’s just the fake news. When in fact it was the real news. That has now become apparent as we know the right-wing news lies to keep their viewership up.

                  As president he has lied and/or miss informed over 10,000 documented times. He knew about how lethal the virus was in January, but by his own admission he downplayed it to state it was only the flu or a common cold and it would be gone in a very short period of time. He then solved his own problem that he created by taking credit for Operation Warp Speed months later. In the meantime, thousands of people had died from the virus. His tax relief program for the super-rich is costing taxpayers billions of dollars over the 10-year period of the program.  He lied about the tariffs placed on the imports of goods, from China.  He claimed we earned 36 billion when in fact as importers we paid 36 billion to China. He blamed Biden for the pull-out from Afghanistan when in fact it was Trump’s binding agreement to bring the troops home. 

                  In his rallies he mocks others for their disabilities and encourages violence, but his supporters love him for doing that. Months before Jan. 6, he started his mantra about if Biden wins, then the election is rigged.  When Biden won fair and square is when he started his mantra about Biden stole the election from him when in fact Trump tried to steal the election from Biden. Then came Jan. 6 when he tried to overthrow the government by having select governors submit false voting slates that showed him as the winner. As a result of his motivation, the Capitol was breached, two people died and many were injured.

                  Kevin McCarthy has now given the video footage of Jan.6 to Tucker Carlson so he can cherry pick scenes to make it look like Jan. 6 was a peaceful gathering of people.  This is all done to make it look like Trump was innocent in the whole Jan. 6 affair. Carlson’s viewing audience will believe anything he tells them.  However here are the latest statistics on Jan. 6 from Jake Tapper of CNN, a real journalist, not entertainers like Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham, and the likes:

                  People facing federal/local charges = Over 1,000; Charged with assault or resisting impending officer or employees = 326; Officers who were assaulted at the Capitol on Jan.6 = 140; People charged who have pleaded guilty = 518

                  Trump resisted for months to turn over the high security documents brought to Mar-a-Lago.  Granted Biden and Pence were found to have documents as well but they cooperated with out a problem.

                  Trump seems to leave a wake of destruction of people and things behind him, because he cannot accept losing.  He has intimated the GOP congress by making examples of those who oppose him. His master con-artist mentality becomes apparent when his con is discovered. 
                  Like all good con-artists, he plays the victim to his supporters and attacks those who uncover his con.

                  I believe in the next election, he will use the same tactics that were used on Biden, no matter who runs. If I lose, the election is rigged and when I have lost, the election was stolen from me. In any competitive sport there are winners and losers, but not when Trump is playing.  I hope he goes to jail before he even gets to that stage.

                  Trump always follows his mentor, Roy Cohen’s advice: Never admit when you are wrong or guilty, no matter how deep you get into the muck.

                  And this is just a short synopsis as to why I don’t like Trump.

                  https://www.history.com/news/roy-cohn-m … nald-trump

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image80
                    Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    That is a very long list, and I realize you believe all that you shared.  I have said I feel such an addiction to thinking about one man is unhealthy. What do you gain from this personal vendetta against Trump?

                  2. Miebakagh57 profile image74
                    Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Trump, no matter how bad one may draw and paint him is a human being.                                              He has a pair of eye, ears, arm, and leg, for example. How come he's being depicted as one legged, one arm guy, and so on?                                 Those here and there that are bad mouthing 'real' Donald Trump haven't an oin of one bad word against old joe biddn? Is that because the later is perfect?

              2. abwilliams profile image68
                abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                I was going to say something similar; the wolves have his scent, they'll never let up. He upset the apple cart, he interrupted the fundamental transformation, he got in the way...and he'll never know peace again.

            2. Miebakagh57 profile image74
              Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

              I agree completely.

  7. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
    Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months ago

    Investigations usually dry up when they turn up nothing - like Benghazi. Sixteen investigations and 11 hours of testimony directly from the subject of the investigation should prove that to anyone.
    Four American soldiers were ambushed in Niger at the beginning of the Trump years. If there was an investigation - I never heard about it.

    I'm not naming names connected with the untruths stated in this discussion. There are too many here who think if you just keep saying something enough it becomes true.

    I have no problem with Hunter Biden being investigated. Let the chips fall where they may.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image80
      Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Others have a right to their opinions, as you do. It seems you feel comfortable pointing out what you feel are lies, just because a given statement does not match your own thoughts.

      1. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
        Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        No, m'am. Lies can be confirmed and have been. What is uncomfortable is for people who believed them to face the facts.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image80
          Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Maybe you need to face some facts. The fact that we all have a right to our views. I would agree it is very uncomfortable to deal with people that can't face facts or won't even take a look at facts. Just beilieve what they are being told to belive.  Ths is an unfortunate part of our society today.

  8. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
    Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months ago

    I stand corrected. "Gallup. On December 17, 2020, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats, 25% identified as Republican, and 41% as Independent."
    Still it is good to hear other points of view in this discussion.

    1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
      Miebakagh57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Do all the Independent 41% join the Dem 31% to vote for biden? Because the votes the puppet old joe received surpass that of Barak Obama.

  9. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
    Kathleen Cochranposted 11 months ago

    abwilliams: Sorry for the delay in response.
    "It is a myth that any one else died that day or as a result of that day.
    There is no evidence of any incitement by Trump, another myth."
    Yes, it depends on who you get your information from. The number of news sources that categorize these statements as false widely outnumber the news sources that support them. Five minutes on Google will confirm.

    1. abwilliams profile image68
      abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Assuming that I haven't done my homework is your first mistake. Your second, is using Google as a source.
      Your point, stating that the "news sources categorizing" my findings as "false", outnumbering those that do not, I've no doubt; we can agree on that.

  10. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
    Kathleen Cochranposted 7 months ago

    Google is not a source.

    It is a search engine.

    1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
      Miebakagh57posted 7 months agoin reply to this

      These search results can help us for informtion?

      1. Sharlee01 profile image80
        Sharlee01posted 7 months agoin reply to this

        Yes I agree, Google is an excellent source for information. In fact, all of America's Federal agencies including the White House have websites and provide information. One needs only search out reputable sites.

        For example -  if one wants to discover what we have left in the National Oil Reserve, one only needs to use their fingertips. If one wants to know how a congressperson voted or did not show up to vote, one only needs to head to their Government webpage; If one hopes to see what our Congressional Juditul body is doing --- yes go right to the source. Google is a great engine that can take you to the most reliable sources. of course, one needs to be careful of sources. Google is most defiantly the best research source we have today. All under one roof.

        1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
          Miebakagh57posted 7 months agoin reply to this

          Shealee, I was asking a question. But not ignorantly.                                   Thanks for all your good answers and tips. From Google results, one can even leverage onto 'google.schoolar' that contained peer review information.                                   The peer review at times can be stuning.

          1. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
            Kathleen Cochranposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … 4-election

            From today's Guardian, a British newspaper, July 30, 2023

          2. Sharlee01 profile image80
            Sharlee01posted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Google is a great engine that can help research just about anything. It can offer true facts and opinions, to help one come to their own conclusion on any given matter. When researching American politics, I like to use Google to stir me to our government websites. I think in regard to policies, and legislation the Government sites offer the facts.

            1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
              Miebakagh57posted 6 months agoin reply to this

              Thank you. You're on course.

  11. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 6 months ago

    Interesting interview with John Bolton. I find the insights from those who were closest to Trump to be of value.

    “Donald Trump doesn’t really have a philosophy, as we understand it in political terms,” Bolton said in a Thursday interview on The Hill’s show on NewsNation.

    "He doesn’t think in policy directions when he makes decisions, certainly in the national security space. It’s all connected with how things benefit Donald Trump.”

    Bolton called the deal with the Taliban that led to the U.S. withdrawal a “disastrous mistake”

    I found this most interesting:
    Much of the credit Trump gets for foreign policy victories in the eyes of Republicans is misplaced, Bolton claims.

    “Those who make these claims about what Trump did in his first term don’t really understand how we got to the places we did. Because many of the things they now give Trump credit for, he wanted to go in the opposite direction.”
    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing … term-nato/

    Also interesting, NBC News reached out to over 40 former cabinet members, finding just 4 publicly endorsed Trump. Many are advocating against him.  Notably, Bill Barr stating ,
    “I have made clear that I strongly oppose Trump for the nomination and will not endorse Trump,”
    Shouldn't we be paying a bit more attention to what Trump's former circle has to say?

    1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
      Miebakagh57posted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Americans can make the decision, whether they want Trump, again or not.

      I as an outsider think he has a good lead over his opponents in 2024.

      And, it's up to Americans, to choose who should lead the country in 2024.

    2. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
      Kathleen Cochranposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Willowarbor: In a word: YES.

      1. Miebakagh57 profile image74
        Miebakagh57posted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Those that think Ex-President Donald Trump is always naughty and had no philosophy, should think twice.

  12. Credence2 profile image78
    Credence2posted 6 months ago

    Donald Trump reminds me so much of the notorious Public Enemy, No. 1, John Dillinger.

    Even though they are both bad guys, they play on a resentment of the system. Dillinger with the banks and the bankers and the idea that the deprivations of the Great Depression were not felt by all, and Trump with the populist idea that the "system", the underlying way Washington operates, is a source of dismay for many. The "system is rigged"!!

    Dillinger robbed banks in stark daylight, always leaving his calling card. Trump attempts to undermine our entire political system in the light of day, such gall. Bravado is something that they both had in common and makes them out as folk heroes for many.

    We cannot forget the stunts. Dillinger breaks out of an Indiana prison armed only with a piece of wood cut into the shape of a pistol, coated with black shoe polish. Trump is not far behind with his own slight of hand, evading and delaying prosecution with his own version of a shoe polished piece of wood. We all have to ask, how do they get away with that?

    There is this deep admiration for this "Robin Hood" style, deep down, many hoping that  they would succeed.

    But Dillinger found out in July, 1934, that crime doesn't pay. Perhaps, from a political prospective, Trump will experience the same.

 
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