Note: this forum is the direct result of a conservative poster's implication through a single example on facebook of a anti-conservative pedophile posting, that Democrats are linked to pedophiles.
So, given the revelations in Pennsylvania of 300 conservative priests molesting children with over 1,000 victims, does that make conservatives the "party of the pedophile"?
Think about it. Priests are conservatives in almost every way. The highly religious overwhelmingly support the Republican Party and are almost always conservatives. And here we have another example of priests molesting children and the systematically covering it up.
Here's what I wonder, is the implication of the Facebook post linking Democrats to pedophiles and the persistent push about the factless Pizzagate scandal simply a cover for conservatives to continue to molest children? There's certainly much more evidence that conservatives are pedophiles than liberals.
Here's a link to the story:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/ … ldren.html
And here's a list of Republican pedophiles and sex offenders:
http://www.constantinereport.com/handy- … offenders/
So which is the more convincing - a single Facebook post by a sicko pedophile with liberal leanings or this?
Most Catholics are Democrats. You should at least put some effort into your posts next time.
https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/faith-a … -vote-2016
The priests are conservatives and hold religious, conservative values. You cannot prove that wrong.
Know any priests that support abortion? Know any priests that are for gay marriage?
Hate to inform you abortion and gay marriage do not fall under the umbrella of conservative beliefs. They, as a rule, are a religious conviction. The world is full of people that are Christians and put faith above who they politically affiliate with. It seems you compartmentalize values, morals, beliefs with one's political affiliation. People are diverse and complex when it comes to values, morals, beliefs. No one wants to be but in a box, a category... Think about individuality.
It appears that priests tend to follow their flocks. They are Republicans when their congregations are mostly Republican and Democrats when their congregations are mostly Democratic.
"The researchers found that Catholic priests’ political affiliations varied just as much, with a nearly linear relationship between the partisanship of priests and congregants across states."
http://cal-catholic.com/study-clergys-d … filiation/
You are so right! Conservatives are all evil SOBs let alone pedophiles. The proof is in the fact that “Despite some institutional reform, individual leaders of the church have largely escaped public accountability,” the grand jury wrote.
"Priests were raping little boys and girls, and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing; they hid it all. For decades.”
The fact for 70 years the leaders of the Catholic Church covered this up, over 300 priests is like WOW how sick conservatives are. It catalogs horrific instances of abuse: a priest who raped a young girl in the hospital after she had her tonsils out; a victim tied up and whipped with leather straps by a priest; and another priest who was allowed to stay in ministry after impregnating a young girl and arranging for her to have an abortion.
Just imagine if the Catholic Conservatives could cover this up for 70 years imagine what the Republicans have been doing ever since the southern conservatives who started theKKK switched from the democrat party to the Republican Party. And it’s no coincidence Republican has “pub” as it’s root.
"So, given the revelations in Pennsylvania of 300 conservative priests molesting children with over 1,000 victims, does that make conservatives the "party of the pedophile"?"
I did not realize that if one is a priest they are card-carrying conservatives. In fact, if we are going down the road of labeling a group of people., stereotyping... Catholics, as a rule, are Dems.
"single example on facebook ". And this is what gives us the right to point the finger? This kind of discussion is discussing. SAD
I didn't see you criticize Ken Burgess when he made the same allegation about Democrats for real in a thread you created.
Here is that post: https://hubpages.com/forum/post/4016260
Did you not find that disgusting and sad? Why might that be?
I did not see Ken's post. I had a look at it and read several of the posts thereafter. In my opinion, Ken was trying to make the same point you just tried to make with me. Was he trying to point out there are bad people on all sides?
"Again, my suggestion to anyone is to do their homework as to what their 'cause' or 'party' is truly representing today.
You just might be surprised."
In regards to the post, I made in regard to Pedophilia. I was trying to make a point. ones political party does not make one lean-to having a sexual Perversion. Please read all my posts on the issue. One of the people that were contributing actually tried to back her theory that priests are as a rule conservative??? Went as far as post a percent of conservative Catholics that she apparently did not read correctly. because her chart showed just the opposite?
I should have been clearer. I do not in any respect think sexual perversion is an attribute of any specific political party. There are perverts on both sides. That should clear up my opinion.
The most stupid thing to do is to call names to a whole group if only a couple of members of that group are guilty of a crime. It is hate mongering.
It is to call all white people racists because some of them are.
It is to call all black people good jazz musicians because some of them are.
It's to call all Republicans sexists because some of them are.
It's to call all Democrats criminals because some of them are.
It is dangerous to generalize. as it paints the world only in black and white, good or wrong, left or right. That's not the world we should create for ourselves.
Catholics are predominantly Democrat. I would think the priests would be in the same camp.
To the rest of your post...please continue to feed the insanity or, do the intelligent thing. Don't be triggered by ignorance of the internet.
Provide a link that says priests are Democrats. The priests are the most conservative of Catholics, so they're conservatives. All their values are conservative, the most important one being that they're anti-abortion.
And this is just a rhetorical game for me, but an otherwise very intelligent poster pulled the Facebook meme thing and seems to believe it. The Pizzagate thing still has legs. Seen QAnon? It has legs.
I think one of the best ways to redirect criticism when you're molesting children is to charge your accusers of the same crime.
A devout Catholic friend said he didn't believe the Catholic Church created pedophiles, but that it attracts them and provides a haven for them. It made sense to me. And I go along with the statement that most Catholics are Republicans because they are conservatives. Democrats being pro-choice would certainly discourage Catholics from becoming members of that party.
She won't be able to provide a link because she is wrong. Catholics are predominantly Republican.
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-lands … filiation/
I'll provide the link which showed the majority of Catholics are Democrat when I get back to my computer.
Sad thing about the internet. We can all support our biases with a link. Wouldn't it be wonderful to function without bias.
You are right. My own link shows that more Catholics are Democrats. I misread it on my phone. I am on my computer now.
I provided a link for you. It was the same link she posted. Guess she read it wrong? A bit funny. 37% of Catholic vote Republican, 19% no lean, 44% Catholics vote Democrat.
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-lands … filiation/
I will provide it for her. Is it the same link you provided?
the chart shows 37% of Catholics lean towards voting Republican, 19% have no lean, 44% Catholics vote Democratic.
Not sure you read the chart correctly?
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-lands … filiation/
Well, if we look at it your way them the Democrats are in collusion with Russia, the Democrats speak only lies and we should impeach all Democrat politicians. Sound about right?
As to the priests. You brought it up. Please provide a link to show why you posted that for discussion.
Because priests overwhelmingly support conservative values.
Still doesn't explain why they are mostly democrats.
That is not what the data says. Show me any data that says anything about priests. It says Catholics are mostly Democrats and the reason for that is that Latinos are overwhelmingly Democrats because they vote for the party with the most favorable immigration policies and the most pro-Latino platforms. Exclude Latinos and just focus on white Catholics and the data is different and since we're focusing on, specifically, Pennsylvania priests, these are more white, conservatives, not Latino priests.
You are looking at one particular issue and assuming that priests support the right because of their abortion views. Would you call the pope Republican? If so, please explain.
Priests are required, by oath, to follow the lead of the Vatican. Francis is liberal, in every sense of the word. That is not a bad thing. It is just the facts.
According to their professed values, do you believe priests are more conservative or liberal? I'll try to stick with those descriptors - conservative and liberal. Democrat and Republican don't really fit well.
Well, if we look at abortion they are part of the religious right. If we look at their work to help the poor and the needy, the desire for greater social justice, the Pope's speeches about immigration and the proposed wall in America they are liberal leaning.
You can't take one particular issue and paint someone with it. I'd be called a liberal if we did that. I am right because I believe in a fiscally responsible government. The Catholic Church (which follows the Pope) would lean liberal in a vote. Of course, they'd publicly withhold communion from the liberal for supporting abortion but they would privately shake his hand and possibly be giving that person communion in private, at the same time.
So I guess it would be better to assert that religious people are pedophiles.
We might as well just start labeling some people as so desirous to be judgmental of others that they crave finding ways to lump disparate groups of people into nasty little boxes.
Well, all liberals were labelled pedophiles by one of the conservative posters, so this is what it's come to. The whole point of this little exercise was to point out just how ridiculous it is to take a single example or a small data set and try to apply it to an entire group of people.
Here is a Catholic guide on voting from the Catholic Church. Tell me how a believer should vote based on it. Tell me who you believe the preferred political party is based on it.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news … ting-35338
Really, because of their commitment to God? I did not realize liberals have void themselves of conservative values altogether? Good to know. LOL
Guess we Christian should question why many we sit next to in church that are Dems should not be there? Maybe we should inform them it's no longer excepted or in vogue in the Democrat party to believe in God? Wow! Priests are individuals, and clearly, have the right to affiliate with any political party they choose.
No, let's just get rid of the ones that committed collusion with the Russians. How about that, simple solution. Looks like Trump is well on his way to accomplishing just that.
Provide links that say preists are Republicans, conservatives.
"Facebook meme believe it" And you have come by this opinion, how? You certainly assume much, without any kind of validation.
Crankilicious, your OP may be a "rhetorical game" to you, but you are doing yourself no favors by posting stuff like this.
Similar to your "Gun Nuts are Stupid," (a paraphrase), thread, grabbing such tangential connections to make accusations that fit your perspective do nothing for the credibility of your comments.
That you try to justify it by calling it a rhetorical game, or a 'turning the tables' example is slim support for such OPs.
I am merely reversing something that was foisted upon us by a conservative in the forums and continued by QAnon in public, which many conservatives in this forum seem to follow and believe. If a single Facebook post is enough to link pedophiles to liberals, then how does the Catholic priest controversy compare?
QAnon is a major, conspiracy-ridden, movement linked to the President of the United States.
Yeah, I understood what you were intending Crankilicious, and I certainly don't deny some, mostly, Far Right-leaning folks have done the same regrading the Left. My only point was using the justification for doing it as being because they do it too isn't a very credible one.
Then, of course, there is the distasteful extreme direction you took. Combine the two, and Bingo! You have a ridiculous, (I think), comment. Was that the camp you wanted to join?
Well, yes, that's the camp I'll join if it makes the appropriate point of how ridiculous it is to make such assertions.
As Live to Learn has accurately pointed out, I would have been much better off asserting that the religious are pedophiles, based on my "evidence".
The Republican/Democrat thing clearly doesn't fit.
On a more serious note, QAnon is a movement that's getting a decent amount of press and is growing. Several posters on this forum seem to adhere to its values and push its agenda.
I am not familiar with QAnon. I guess I better check it out.
Well, that didn't take long Islandbites. And I didn't even need to hold my breath. Now the question is whether I am just naive for not taking it seriously enough to dig deeper than the first two listings.
If only I could summon the interest to scroll back and see what prompted my QAnon mention in the first place. Nope, can't do it.
Since I didn't point that out can we assume that one lie constitutes nullification of any valid point you might have been hoping for?
I should also point out that not a single thing was said by any of the conservative posters on these forums about the accusations that liberals were complicit in pedophilia due to the posts of one Facebook user. Seems like tacit approval. But turn the tables and suddenly there's offense.
Speaking only for myself Crankilicious, there was no offense. The example of your point was distasteful to me, but I wasn't offended by the point of your OP. Or, your choice of examples.
An easy explanation would be for me to sarcastically say I was just trying to keep 'The Dark Side' from claiming another victim. But even though that was my point, I try to stay away from sarcasm.
Kind of like the times I try to help Credence2 step back from the abyss of extremism. ;-)
I wouldn't assume you would bite on such a thing as I know you're too smart. It's fun to troll sometimes. Just understand I'm not doing it in a vacuum.
"It's fun to troll sometimes."
Oh hell yeah, I know what you mean. It's like that old '... a dose of their own medicine' adage. But I always feel regretful afterwards.
Why must absolutely everything me made political? Pedophilia has nothing to do with political affiliation. It is no more true of Republicans than it is of Democrats.
I believe that's the point of the thread. See the comment posted after yours: "I am merely reversing something that was foisted upon us by a conservative in the forums . . . "
As I understand it, the point is to highlight an obvious double standard.
There is no double standard - the pizzagate thing is made up and proven false - what happed with the conservative Catholic priests was real and went on for 70 years and was covered up by “religious” conservatives. That was just in one state- multiply it by 50 and that doesn’t even touch worldwide where the Catholic Church is even bigger! While Pizzagate diesn’t even exist, a fraud by conservatives, obviously not any double standard.
He made it clear in the opening remarks the idea was born of a Facebook post.
How much do you really understand? Seems like a lunatic twilight bark to me.
It was born of one of the long-time conservative forum participants assertion that liberals associate with pedophiles based on a single Facebook post of some disgusting, insane person that he found somewhere.
It sort of opens up the question - if you're so obsessed with finding links between pedophiles and liberals, maybe you have something to hide.
For your own sake, I wouldn't start questioning if people who keep bringing ridiculous stuff up have something to hide, or not.
But, seriously, I do see ridiculous topics brought up, from both sides.
Well, since I am hiding something then it’s probably true.
This is the most shallow thread I've ever read here , Question for the O.P. , How do you explain Hollywood , celebrityhood , the Hip Hop world , the music industry , Weinstein and the long chain of accusations against mostly liberal Hollywood ?
The Kevin Spaceys of the world?
Let's call it the Clintonesque perversions ?
Mostly liberals there, no ?
But there was no criticism from you when Ken Burgess accused the Democratic Party of standing for paedophilia.
Here is Ken's post: https://hubpages.com/forum/post/4016260
And here is your response to it: https://hubpages.com/forum/post/4016287
I think this thread has done exactly what it was intended to do. Highlight blatant hypocrisy.
Well sure I didn't critique him , Some threads aren't worth participating in at all , they can be so ridiculous . Like this one , suggesting one party is into the perversions and not another ?.......Really ?
I kind of wonder at times about the needs of such extroverts that assemble in D.C or Hollywood , I have to say this whole #Metoo thing is rather backfiring on Hollywood and it's "out there " celebrities .
The point of this thread is to highlight ridiculousness and hypocrisy. Perhaps if you had chosen to critique Ken's comments, it might have helped curb the former, while saving you from accusations of the latter.
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