My advice for President Trump...

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  1. jackclee lm profile image80
    jackclee lmposted 2 months ago

    In light of recent events, here is my advice for President Trump moving forward.
    1. Focus like a laser beam on the economy.
    2. Start building the wall.
    3. Reframe from tweets and attacking the media.
    4. Act Presidential in all foreign affairs.
    5. Speak directly to the American people like Reagan did and bypass the media filter.

    If he does those 5 things, he will help the GOP in the mid term election. “It’s the economy stupid...” as James Carvell said famously in the 1990s.
    As long as he keep his word on the big items to the American voter...
    He will also win re-election in 2020.

    Let the media commit suicide.  Everyday they attack Trump, they expose themselves as biased and unhinged and afflicted with TDS.

    Trump won and he no longer need to act as the under dog. He can relish in his successes...on the economy, on jobs, on wall street and main street.

    1. jackclee lm profile image80
      jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      By the way, the Mueller investigation has no credibility. It will go by the way side. Take a lesson from the Clinton impeachment. Any attempt to impeach Trump will elevate him and make him more popular and seem like he is the victim. Especially if the economy is on the mend and no one wants to ruin a good thing...

    2. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
      JAKE Earthshineposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Actually, Donald Trump is Toast and so is Mike Pence and many Russian controlled republican congress-persons who have been complicit: The only question now is how rapidly he can be removed so we can try to salvage the remaining rubble of what was once a great vibrant prosperous country called the USA:

      Even the last remaining Trump cultees really should read this:

      "Michael Cohen 'testified under oath that Donald Trump directed him to commit a crime,' lawyer Lanny Davis says"

      https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/michael … -says.html

      1. jackclee lm profile image80
        jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, it was about sex...and we all know Democrats made the same case when Clinton was impeached...the double standard is astonishing...

        1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
          JAKE Earthshineposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Actually you're wrong jackclee, it's just one crime which includes an attempt to influence the 2016 election: Everyone should read the documents for the truth:

      2. La Veezta profile image42
        La Veeztaposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

        Lanny Davis? He’s nothing but a crooked Hillary operative, has been his whole career. Davis is the co-founder and partner of his name-sake law firm, Davis Goldberg & Galper. The law firm is a current, active, registered foreign agent for Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash, a close ally of Russian president Vladimir Putin, and pockets roughly $1 million a year to lobby the U.S. government on behalf of one of Vladimir Putin’s closest allies, Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash.

        Firtash is under indictment in the United States for bribing government officials and is fighting extradition from his residence in Austria.

        When Davis spews propaganda targeting POTUS legitimacy he is helping Russia spread discord in USA.

    3. promisem profile image96
      promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      "People that only listen to Fox have an utterly skewed view of reality."

      - former Fox military analyst Ralph Peters

      1. jackclee lm profile image80
        jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        True and so what. People watching main stream media are skewed just as much if not more. That is our reality and who’s fault is it? Not Trump, not Fox, and not Rush... the media did this to us when they got in bed with the Clintons and Obama...

        1. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          I believe the words coming out of Trump's mouth more than I believe the warped version from Sean Hannity or Breitbart.

          By the way:

          "Trump is an illegitimate president whose election is tainted by fraud."

          - Max Boot, conservative columnist and former Trump supporter

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … story.html

          1. jackclee lm profile image80
            jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            That is your problem. You believe in what he said instead of what he does.
            He is a consequential president like it or not. He will impact our country for years to come. You might not like it but to the other half of America, we do.
            He is beating the media in their own game and they don’t like it but they can’t stop it. That is what is so frustrating for them and what is so delicious for us the public.

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              The words of a U.S. President mean as much as his actions.

              Yes, he will damage our country for years to come. The "other half" is actually 35% who want to believe Fox News propaganda plus the Russians who hacked our election.

              A beaten media? Thanks to Trump, the New York Times stock price has climbed 70% in one year.

              1. jackclee lm profile image80
                jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                The stock market just reached all time high and longest bull run.
                The unemployment is all time low..
                The media’s credibility is all time low.
                The job approval rate of Trump is just under 50% and rising...
                America is great again.
                Unlike Cuomo what said America was never great...
                He is my Governor in NY and he is running our state into higher taxes and bigger debt and more homeless in NYC...
                Let me make a prediction.
                The mid term election will see gains of GOP in both houses of Congress.

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  OK, let's change the subject and evade my points again.

                  The stock market trend is no different than it has been for the last 8 years.

                  The unemployment trend is no different than it has been for the last 8 years.

                  Trump's 42% approval rating is the lowest of any modern president.

                  America the "great" now has the lowest international approval rating in polling history. China is loving it.

                  Skyrocketing debt, attacks on the Constitution, racism, sexism, hundreds of lawsuits, 31 indictments, massive staff resignations, etcetera, etcetera.

                  1. jackclee lm profile image80
                    jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Where do you get this stuff?
                    It is like you are living in an alternative universe.
                    You need to get out of your elements and talk to some average Americans.
                    I have. I am visiting my daughter in Southern California right now.
                    I come from a blue state of NY and visiting a blue state of California.
                    The people I come in contact with say Trump is doing a great job. They hardly watch or believe in the mainstream media. They already tuned out. You should too. That is my advice to you. Talk to some common people and you will be shocked.

    4. Don W profile image85
      Don Wposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Jack, this comment is not just partisan attack against you because of your conservative views. And it's not borne out of my strong dislike of Donald Trump, which I freely admit to having. So I hope you don't take it as either of those things.

      Your response to recent events seem unhinged. I use that word advisedly, but I am genuinely struggling to find a more apt description.

      The president has just been named as a co-conspirator in the commission of a federal crime, by his former attorney, who has already pleaded guilty to that crime.

      In doing so that attorney testified that someone (who we can reasonably assume is the President) "directed him to commit a crime by making payments to two women for the principal purpose of influencing an election"(1) (thank you for the reference promisem).

      And your number one concern at this time is how to keep "President Trump moving forward"? Even if you don't believe the allegation, you don't think it needs to be addressed in any way other than ignoring it?

      I'm not sure this is because you are just worried about the future, but what you're saying genuinely sounds a bit crazy to me.

      (1) https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … ffa47f9891

      1. promisem profile image96
        promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Despite my responses to Jack, my comments aren't partisan either because I'm a former Republican who still embraces some important Republican principles. Instead, I strongly object to propaganda and the people who spread it.

        As a former Republican, I'm utterly astonished at the "conservatives" who believe the propaganda flooding this country and who seem oblivious to the damage it's causing.

        They are willing to sacrifice democracy and the Constitution for the sake of keeping Trump in the White House.

        1. jackclee lm profile image80
          jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          What is suffering is the rule of law and the Constitution. No time in history did an unelected prosecutor like Mueller is given a mandate to being down an elected President. It will be an Constitutional crisis if that happens. It is not about just Trump. All future presidency will face this kind of fishing game if this is allowed to stand. It will mean the end of our republic.

          1. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            A special counsel doesn't have to be elected.

            I suggest you read more history. Have you forgotten Kenneth Starr and the impeachment of Bill Clinton?

            We somehow survived as a country after that one.

        2. Don W profile image85
          Don Wposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          You've always come across as reasonable to me. Even though I disagree with (most) conservative ideology, I'm glad there are Republicans and right-leaning independents on the forums to show that Trump does not speak for all conservatives.

          Jack's response in this thread though, just seems so . . . out there. Regardless of whether someone likes Trump or not, the idea that anyone can conclude this is not a serious allegation that Trump needs to face scrutiny over is just mind boggling.

          1. jackclee lm profile image80
            jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Really Don? Is it so out there that we have a corrupt DOJ and FBI? The IRS and the VA and the EPA? The problem is not with conservatives. The problem was and is with the Obama administration. They have politicized our government to the breaking point. I will go even further. I think when all is said and done, historians will write about President Obama as worse than Nixon. Watergate was nothing compared to the crime commited by the Obama Deep State. The Mueller investigation was a distraction to protect Obama and Hillary and the DNC. It is a House of Cards in real life.

            1. Don W profile image85
              Don Wposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

              Pray tell Jack, how is Michael Cohen committing a federal crime, and allegedly being directed to do so by Donald Trump the fault of the FBI and DoJ?

              (this should be good)

          2. jackclee lm profile image80
            jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            One more thing Don, we conservatives are not afraid of telling the truth. That is one huge difference between us and the GOP. We are not afraid of being labeled a racist when we call out Obama for all the misdeeds. From Benghazi to the Muslim Brotherhood to fighting ISIS and the Syrian refugee catastrophe, the Obama administration has lied and hurt our country and lead to millions of refugees... We are also not afraid to call out names...like Susan Rice, Ben Rhodes, Valarie Jarett, John Brennan, Klapper, Comey, Loretta Lynch and so many other Obama appointees. 
            I am coining a new term. Obamagate. All roads lead to Rome...as the saying goes. In my mind, all these scandals lead to President Obama. If it was any other President, he would have been impeached. He did so many unConstitutional acts as President. DACA was a prime example.

            1. La Veezta profile image42
              La Veeztaposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

              Jack, you are so right. It’s odd people say they aren't partisan yet all they do is attack Trump’s rhetoric, ignore his successful promised policies on which he ran and got elected while the obvious evidence of criminality and campaign violations surrounding the phoney dossier by Clinton and her operatives is totally ignored as if she is a saint. They can’t stop pushing the lie that Trump colluded with Russia and changed the election results when Rosenstein very clearly said there is absolutely no evidence of.

              https://youtu.be/5rAxiX8Tiu0

              They are living in an alternate realty of their hate filled imagination.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                Castlepalomaposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

                An alternate realty of their hate filled imagination.

                Wow, that is beyond an oxymoron if I ever heard. 

                Everything you have ever achieved in life was all once imagined, the same for the history of mankind.

                Your life would not exist because your hate filled imagination, you would kill yourself before you got outside of your door.

                Calm down your emotions, your acting inefficiently.

                1. La Veezta profile image42
                  La Veeztaposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

                  If anything you said made any sense I’d reply but I’m not interested in feeding your psychosis.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                    Castlepalomaposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Just speaking about things over your head.

                    Welcome to the hubpages.

    5. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      LOL.

      That's all I got.

      1. jackclee lm profile image80
        jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        So am I. America is great again. What is not to laugh about. I also laugh at the opposition going insane with TDS.

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          ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Libs have had impeaching on the brain since  before Hillary fell down the first time , before her first gaff , before Bills first [last ] affair ?

    6. crankalicious profile image92
      crankaliciousposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      The Trump Administration should hire you jacklee. Even though I disagree with you on virtually everything, your advice is very, very sound and would benefit Trump greatly.

      1. jackclee lm profile image80
        jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Thank you for that compliment. I don’t need to work for Trump. I am retired and living the American dream. I just wish more people could succeed...

    7. jackclee lm profile image80
      jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      The best showing of the S&P since elecion of Trump...
      Up 38% since Nov. 2016
      From 2100 to 2912.

      1. promisem profile image96
        promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        A sucker's rally. It's mainly driven by companies buying back their own stock with the very temporary cash from the tax cuts -- $437 billion last quarter alone.

        "Not only is that the most ever, it nearly doubles the previous record of $242.1 billion, which was set during the first three months of the year."

        https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/10/invest … index.html

        The crash is going to be huge when it comes.

        1. crankalicious profile image92
          crankaliciousposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          And this factoid:

          10% of the wealthiest households own 84% of all the stocks.

          So much for the average guy benefitting from the stock market rise.

          But I am, so that's good.

          1. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            Good point. I think the 90% who own little to no stock would rather have those companies put more of that $437 billion into getting back the benefits and pay raises the employees lost after the Great Recession.

            I know quite a few people who went years without a raise, lost their 401k match, had their share of health insurance premiums skyrocket, etc.

            1. jackclee lm profile image80
              jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              That is what bothers me. How is it that people who work all their lives do not have any savings or investments in the stock market? What about their 401K or IRA or 403B? Are they keeping cash under their mattress?

              1. Credence2 profile image80
                Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                What planet are you on Jack? Most people have difficulty saving any substantial sums of money these days. And then a tsunami comes along and wipes what savings there is completely away.

                1. jackclee lm profile image80
                  jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  I guess I am clueless about the people you speak of. Ever since childhood, I was always taught to save for a rainy day. Never buy or spend things that I cannot afford... never go into debt... get a good education. Work hard. Take care of family...
                  I have met people down on their luck but they never gave up. They keep trying. When their job disappeared, they go and get trained for another job. The government can only do so much. They instituted retirement savings plan so that people can help themselves.
                  It must sound so alien to you.
                  Where is the educators that teaches this stuff to a new generation?
                  The public teachers has failed if they have not taught the basics to their students. Very sad.

              2. promisem profile image96
                promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                How do you save money on $9 an hour when you have to buy a car, apartment, health insurance, food, etc? I know people in that situation.

                To requote you, you really need to get out and meet more average people.  smile

          2. jackclee lm profile image80
            jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            That may be true but then try Russia and China and some other communist countries... talk about income inequality. As bad as it is here, it is worst there...

        2. jackclee lm profile image80
          jackclee lmposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Yes and you are cheering for one aren’t you? Just to get rid of Trump.
          TDS is a mental disorder.
          Why can’t you enjoy the gains like normal people and give credit where credit is due?

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            In my world, normal people care more about children being taken from their families, or poor people dying from lack of health care, or the environment being healthy for their grandchildren, than a few extra dollars in their 401k.

          2. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            I clearly give credit for the boost in the stock market to Trump's massive tax cut, which also is skyrocketing the national debt.

            I don't cheer for a market crash because it will hurt innocent people. I simply expect one based on research, expert opinions and a lifetime of investing.

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    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    https://hubstatic.com/14177605.jpg

    One more cast , one more no- biting fishing trip , going home empty handed  with nothing much to show but fishing stories for the Mueller boys at the bar .    Trump should  fire Mueller after the mid terms would be my best guess , don't want to hurt the red tide , wait till the obstructionists take their usual after election nap !

  3. Castlepaloma profile image74
    Castlepalomaposted 2 months ago

    My advise

    Retire because of your world record of continuous law suit's are getting worst along with your contradiction in the same sentences.
    It's really hazard to your old and obese health.
    You got no integrity anyways.

    1. jackclee lm profile image80
      jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Why is this an issue?
      The whole Russian collusion was made up.
      The DOJ and FBI are exposed for their corruptions.
      Who has integrity in DC these days? Tell me?

      1. promisem profile image96
        promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        31 indictments so far and a growing number of guilty pleas. Yep, it's all made up.

        1. jackclee lm profile image80
          jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          True, however, they have nothing to do with Russian collusion...you see the problem...

          1. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Right wing propaganda has you believing the investigation is only about collusion. It is about much more.

            https://www.documentcloud.org/documents … ecial.html

            1. jackclee lm profile image80
              jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Please enlighten us. What is the Mueller investigation all about?
              He has no mandate, nothing in the Constitution that justify his actions.
              He is unelected and not a forth branch of our government.
              You have been holding your hopes on impeachment of this president.
              You will be sorely disappointed. The American people are smarter and see this a s a witch hunt. It is not Fox news but the media that has been pushingthis anti Trump agnda. When 90% of media is against Trump, something is drastically wrong with them.

              1. promisem profile image96
                promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                What is the investigation all about? It's right there on the document I provided.

                He was given a legal mandate by the Department of Justice, which is led by a Trump appointee.

                His mandate is no different in authority than the one given to Ken Starr for the investigation of Bill Clinton's sex life.

                1. jackclee lm profile image80
                  jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  https://hubstatic.com/14177852.jpg

                  1. promisem profile image96
                    promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    What do these photos have to do with the document I provided about Mueller's legal authority?

            2. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              No comment?

              1. jackclee lm profile image80
                jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                What do you want me to say? I think Mueller and Comey and McCabe and Strzok and a bunch of others are all corrupt and are Obama hold overs. They have a lot to answer for what they did in the run up to the election.
                The top of the food chain is President Obama himself. For him to claim he has no knowledge of all these going on can only conclude either he is a liar or he is totally incompetent. You choose which?

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  I just want you to understand that the investigation is not about just collusion. That's what I said on my previous post.

                  I don't know why you are throwing out all these other comments that have nothing to do with my posts or the questions you ask me to answer.

      2. Castlepaloma profile image74
        Castlepalomaposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        I know of a few people that have integrity, Ron Paul is one of them.  The powers to be don't anyone with integrity in high office. It's a bribery systems that make huge profit and protects themselves, you and I are not in that club.

        1. jackclee lm profile image80
          jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          I agree with that statement. Guess who else is not in tha  club - Trump.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image74
            Castlepalomaposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            He is just in deeper and long term with biggest and worst crooks ever. Likes Israel, Rockefellers and Rothschilds. They can't keep printing money as debt keeps going up, lie about numbers, pollute the earth forever. He will even find away to even screw up his connection with the powers to be.

            1. jackclee lm profile image80
              jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              So what does that say about President Obama? Is he part of this deep state?
              He printed more money than all President in history, doubling our debt to 20 trillion dollars...

              1. promisem profile image96
                promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Presidents don't print money. The Federal Reserve does.

                Presidents don't increase debt. Debt skyrockets during Great Recessions when tax revenue plummets.

                Debt also skyrockets when a "Republican" President and Congress pass massive tax cuts for billionaires and corporations.

              2. Castlepaloma profile image74
                Castlepalomaposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                I don't remember Obama on serious trail, especially all the time like Trump.
                Trumps on the fast track of beating all of Obama records like over military spending and creating national debt, ruin our health and environmental and extc..... He running the biggest show on earth now, not Obama. No doubt they are all crooks, I got an old waist watch with Nixon's face with his eyes shifting. I am not a crooks. Way outdated now.

                1. jackclee lm profile image80
                  jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Nixon was a good president until the watergate scandal brought his administration to an end. I went and visited his presidential library and was very impressed. I even wrote a hub on it. You can search for it...

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                    Castlepalomaposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Richard Nixon went to war on marijuana. Trump is making the same mistake.
                    Nixon's had to resigned. Listed as one of the worst Presidents ever, still my vote is Trump.
                    Nixon's Colossal Monetary mistake The Verdict 40 Years Later. They had stolen the gold from Federal reserve and replace it with nothing. No other single action by Nixon has had a more profound and deleterious effect on the American people.

                    Now that the BRICS is backing their money with Gold or barter system. Now, Trump and America will be facing greatest troubles in their modern history.

                  2. GA Anderson profile image81
                    GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    You should research it too jackclee. Nixon was a flawed and self-serving man. That his presidential library impressed you means nothing relative to his  quality as a president.

                    He was a political animal. Political power and survival  was the be all and end all for him.  Your comment about the Watergate scandal almost seems as if you see it as unrelated to Nixon as a man, and as a president.


                    https://hubstatic.com/13904384.jpg

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    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    Trump will not EVER be impeached , at least to democratic satisfaction , Why ? Because the house has to impeach and then the Senate has to impeach by a TWO THIRDS vote , Simply Put Good Luck With That  !

    But , Are Democrats so lame as to believe they can do it ? Yes !

    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      The only person on these forums who keeps talking about impeachment is you.

      Yes, I believe that cockroach would be better suited to a jail cell than the oval office, but I've never suggested impeachment.  What is the point in talking about it when the cowardly Republican as$ kissers are in power? 

      You, on the other hand, seem obsessed with it.

      1. promisem profile image96
        promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        The extremists keep talking about impeachment because Sean Hannity keeps talking about it to rile them up.

        That always has been the core strategy of Fox News with its viewers -- tap their anger and add gasoline to it.

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        ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        "The only person............ talking about impeachment is you ". Really  , where have you been ?  You sure haven't been reading much in these forums making that silly statement .
        Catch up and get back to me will you .

        1. jackclee lm profile image80
          jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Wow, am I the only one? What is the point of winning back the House for democrats?
          They want to remove Trump and the only way is through impeachment. That is our Constitution. The whole Mueller investigation is to set the stage for impeachment, Russian collusion and obstruction of justice...
          What else is there? Except in your fantasy...

  5. profile image0
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    Some of you guys are lost in space land , The demobrat party DOJ scrutiny  has so "gone so far off the tracts "  and left you all looking down the empty tracks for the "mueller" engine that you've lost sight of one fact ;  You have to have  --crime committed --for impeaching , it can't be just a dreamers trial.

    Where is any evidence ?

    1. jackclee lm profile image80
      jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this
      1. crankalicious profile image92
        crankaliciousposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        If this is the kind of biased news site you rely on for information, no wonder you have the views you do. You are just going to places that give you the type of news you want to hear, the reinforce your views and stereotypes. Everyone does this, to some extent, of course, but clearly Newsbusters isn't one of the internet's more well-respected news organizations. That said, they certainly could be a lot worse.

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    ahorsebackposted 8 weeks ago

    Jacklee is correct ,  didn't you people on the left feel the groundswell of American voters movement that changed the fully intended and media projected Clinton victory , the entire outcome of the 2016 election ?

    Your party is doing the same thing now in actually promoting the left-ideologically corrupting influences of your party to the intended integrity , honesty and neutrality of the entire DOJ in America .   
    BUT , you AGAIN don't think the results of this corruption is going to show up in resulting votes in the mid-terms ?

    Look up the "definition" of insanity lately ?

  7. GA Anderson profile image81
    GA Andersonposted 8 weeks ago

    Glad to have you jump in Crankalicious, especially on a topic like this.

    You are right about the magnitude of Pres. Nixon's bombing campaigns, but I think the reason for that might be other that many think.

    Just to set the timeline:

    Nixon inherited the war when elected in 1968, and started trying for peace talks in 1969.

    At the same time America was demanding we get out of Vietnam, and Congress started listening

    Nixon had two choices; exit with our tail between our legs, or try to get some kind of peace agreement that would at least have a semblance of an honorable exit.

    Both major bombing campaigns were designed to drive N. Vietnam to the peace talks table - not to win the war by defeating the enemy..

    The first Cambodia bombing program had Cambodia's Prince Sihanouk 's tacit approval because North Vietnam was using Cambodian territory to stage for it's Vietnam operations.

    The second bombing campaign, (Linebacker II), was again directed towards driving the peace talks. 1) to prod the North Vietnamese to the peace table, and 2) to bring South Vietnam President Thieu back on-board the peace initiative. (he was enraged with Kissinger's La Duc peace efforts)

    Pres. Nixon's efforts were further thwarted by Congress's troop draw-down mandates. It's hard to convince an enemy that is winning to come to the peace table to start with, and becomes almost impossible when that enemy can see your country and Congress forcing you out anyway.

    So yes, Nixon does bear the responsibility of the bombing campaigns, but I think, when viewed in the context of being an effort to drive peace talks - when the only other option was to just leave  in disgrace, it throws a different light on your statement. They were intended to end the war through a peace plan.

    Nixon tried to gain peace through diplomacy for 4 years. Including diplomatic overtures to the Soviet Union, (N. Vietnam's sponsor), that were semi-successful, even with the Congress's actions.

    GA

    1. crankalicious profile image92
      crankaliciousposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

      I don't think Nixon could have done much differently than what he did, but it didn't change how America departed that war.

      Part of the problem was even the idea that ending it was a disgrace in any way. It wasn't winnable. So however it ended, was appropriate. I don't blame Nixon about any of it other than his massive bombing campaigns were unnecessary and didn't produce any result. However, that's hindsight. In terms of U.S. overall strategy in the region, his strategy was consistent with American use of force.

      GA, I have a hub on the Vietnam War, so we could always discuss this there.

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        GA Andersonposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

        We are basically on the same page here Crankalicious. I do draw a distinction between the two major bombing campaigns; Cambodia and Hanoi, but I do agree neither accomplished their goal.

        That Nixon continued to pursue the goal of a peace plan until forced by Congress to draw down all forces is the reason I give him credit for his efforts to end the war in a more honorable, (perceived as), way.

        Visited your Vietnam War hub - nice job.

        GA

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    ahorsebackposted 7 weeks ago

    GDP re-adjusted from 4.1 to 4.2 Is that right ?
    That a suckers ralley too?

    1. promisem profile image96
      promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      "What you're getting is (tax) stimulus at the very wrong moment. ... It's going to hit the economy in a big way this year and next. And then in 2020, Wile E. Coyote is going to go off the cliff and look down."

      - Ben Bernacke, expert on the Great Depression, savior of the Great Recession

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    ahorsebackposted 7 weeks ago

    "In my world people care more about ........blah blah ...........What about Obama taking children from their families ?  ........And hey ,That was  in Chicago , NYC and Detroit  too , not just at the Mexican border !   

    Oh how conveniently demobrats forget who started that one !

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      PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      Blah, blah, blah is right...nonsense as usual. I'm not bothering to respond with an explanation of the difference because it would be a waste of my time. You have shown no ability or inclination to deal with any issue in other than a simplistic and basic manner.

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    ahorsebackposted 7 weeks ago

    Mr.Esoteric is one of those who believes a Tax Cut "Costs " us in terms of what new entitlements are lost to get there .  What addition programs will not be acquired in the cuts , what would have been gotten for free will now cost the personal sacrifice of self acquisition.
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