FBI Arrests Leftist in Pipe Bombing Scare in South Florida

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  1. Sychophantastic profile image92
    Sychophantasticposted 2 years ago

    The FBI has made an arrest in South Florida.

    The man, described by authorities as a "habitual contributor to the causes of Democrats" was arrested near a South Florida postal facility holding two packages containing pipe bombs, one addressed to Elizabeth Warren and the other to Nancy Pelosi.

    Witnesses near the arrest claim to have heard the man explaining to authorities that he worked for George Soros and was sending the packages as a way to increase voter turn-out for Democrats in November.

    He was taken into custody immediately.

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      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Really? Please provide a link to the public statement from those authorities.

      There is no such quote on Google and Bing, which update their news links within minutes of media and government site updates.

      Edit: I get it now. Sarcasm.

      1. Sychophantastic profile image92
        Sychophantasticposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        The man is obviously an immigrant, sent across the border by Soros to cause havoc.

        1. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
          JAKE Earthshineposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          The bomber actually looks like a republican operative perhaps paid for by Bozo Trump donors: you can see it in his eyes:

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
            JAKE Earthshineposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            here's the TRUTH: Looks like one of Bozo's MAGATS

            "Cesar Sayoc Jr., Florida man, arrested in pipe bomb case; van with 'right wing paraphernalia' seized"

            https://boingboing.net/2018/10/26/flori … ackag.html

          2. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, that makes so much sense.  Shoot yourself in the foot weeks before the election? LOL

    2. Credence2 profile image82
      Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That is bullshyte, Synch, what fairy tale news source have you been reading?

      The Right is going to pay for this today and it will give Right leaning independent reason to think about the horses they are betting on come midterm time.

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I do believe it is sarcasm.

        But why does "the Right" get the blame for the insanity and madness of ANY individual?  Do you think they forced hallucinogens into him until his brain turned to mush?  If so, I wasn't at the party when it happened - that's one of the Right that didn't participate, and I bet there were others, too!

        1. Credence2 profile image82
          Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Excuses, Wilderness. It is always mental illness when the Right does things like this, isn't it. Obviously he was sane enough to pick his targets. You were probably making excuses for the Dylan Roof slaying of 9 church goers back in 2015?

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            Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Sure Credence , We sure heard a lot out of you when Scalise was shot at a ball game , what  his shooter didn't belong to your party because he was a Sanders supporter  ?

            1. Credence2 profile image82
              Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I did not condone that attack, but this time p, your people got their hands caught in the cookie jar and in a big way, as you will find out this November.

              Even your " Grand Pubah" says this is going to hurt the GOP and encourages Democrats this November. For the first in his pathetic life, he may be right about something

              But, I was right, wasn't I? It turned that the perp was one of YOURS.

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                Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                No the perp is one of his own ,   ...........  you know,  like John Hinckley ?  If he were "one of [y]ours "  they likely would have gone off .
                Just sayin '.

          2. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, excuses.  Any excuse to blame the "right" for anything you don't like.  Any excuse to blame Trump for anything you don't like.  That no one on the "right" could have changed anything is of no import - blame them anyway.  That Trump never once spoke to this whacko is of no import - blame him anyway.  And if that isn't enough, make a really ignorant statement about what I did in the past...as if you had any idea.

            You are the king of excuses.

            1. Credence2 profile image82
              Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I did not mention Trump, you did.

              This crime was committed by an enthusiatic Trump supporter, there is no getting around that and there is significance and consequences. I did not see you discrediting all the inane leftist conspiracy theories to explain the crimes, and if it had turned out to have been left wing inspired, I would have never heard the end of it from you, right, Wilderness?

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    PrettyPantherposted 2 years ago

    This man, Seyoc is solely responsible for mailing the bombs.  Trump is responsible for sowing hate and division via Twitter and his rallies.  The Republicans in Congress are responsible for their inaction in the face of such wildly inappropriate behavior on the part of a president of the United States.  Americans who continue to defend and encourage Trump are complicit in the ugly atmosphere he sows.

    The rest of us need to turn out and vote in November to end this disgusting nonsense.

    1. Live to Learn profile image78
      Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This guy threatened to throw a bomb back in 2002. He's obviously a violent individual. You can't blame Trump for his historical behavior. 

      Never mind. It's you PP. Of course you can.

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        PrettyPantherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Please quote where I blamed Trump for the guy's behavior?  I'll wait.

        1. Live to Learn profile image78
          Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          In a round about way. Since you are blaming trump for sowing hate and division, which could then be considered inciting violence. If your are unwilling to call out behavior on the left where violence was called for, directly, then your complaints about the right ring hollow and self serving for the left.

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            PrettyPantherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I guess you missed this very clear, direct sentence:  "This man, Seyoc is solely responsible for mailing the bombs."

            The rest is your desperately reaching to justify your blatant misstatement of my position.

  3. Live to Learn profile image78
    Live to Learnposted 2 years ago

    The article I saw said he's a right wing new Yorker arrested in FL.

    Thank God it's over.

    Edit. Says he was arrested in 2002 for threatening to throw a bomb. No jail time. Pity. He might have gotten help and this would have been averted.

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    NEWSFLASH+*******************+ MAJOR NEWS  , FBI now checking Trump's fingerprints against those on packages **************   :-]


    I dedicate this to all the NEWSFLASHERS in the world  whoever and wherever they really are.

  5. Live to Learn profile image78
    Live to Learnposted 2 years ago

    I think it is important for everyone to remember that every citizen will choose a political party to gravitate toward. That party is not responsible for the individual or their actions.

    I, personally, am relieved he was caught and relieved it wasn't politics shenanigans. Simply one disturbed individual grasping at a reason for violence.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      +1  Seriously disturbed.

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      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Part of our debate is the fine line between responsibility and influence.

      Is Trump personally responsible? Not really. Does he influence the behavior of his followers? I believe he does.

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Do you believe that the millions posting hate on social media do, too?  Do you believe that congressional members do?  Do you believe that the leaders of sanctuary cities do when they ignore federal law and actively work to subvert it?  Do you believe that whoever organized and financed the caravan (almost certainly Americans) will influence people both for and against illegals?

        If Trump influences people (and he does) he is in good company, and that's not even considering that, influence or not, the bomber is responsible for his own actions.

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          promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Do you think Trump has more influence over the nation and millions of people than an unknown local congresswoman?

          Of course he does.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Wrong question, and one I very specifically addressed.  Let me help you:

            Do you think Trump has more influence over the nation and millions of people than most of the congress plus 50 million people all screaming how evil he is and should not be in the white house?

            Of course he doesn't.  It is not possible for a single person, even the President, to have the influence 50 million people do.

            But it's a great excuse for one's own poor behavior to put all the blame on Trump.

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              promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Thanks, I don't need a condescending offer to help in how to watch Trump applauding violence on TV.

              Nor do I buy into inflammatory rhetoric about 50 million screaming people, which is a gross exaggeration.

              We only need a President to encourage acts of violence and get just a handful of his supporters -- whether they are mentally unstable or just very extreme -- to act on his encouragement.

              And that's exactly what we got with the bomber.

      2. Live to Learn profile image78
        Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I don't think so. Not in a case such as this. Violent people are violent. They do violent things. I have a sister who was a tea partier. Might still be. They said some pretty volatile things in that heyday. They didn't do anything violent. Why? Because they aren't violent unstable people.

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          promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Just so I'm clear, it sounds like you are saying Trump has no influence over his own followers.

          I agree he can't provoke violence in the great majority of them. It's the unstable ones on either side who are susceptible.

          1. Live to Learn profile image78
            Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Everyone can influence the weak minded. But, I'd say the words and shenanigans of the left are firing up the weak minded no more or less than Trump's words do.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image89
              Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Indeed.

              Wisely noted.

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              promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I must disagree. No other President or major national politician has praised and applauded violent acts except for Trump.

              1. Ken Burgess profile image89
                Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Interesting.  I guess that is a matter of perspective.

                Not to belabor the past, but clearly one's political perspective weighs in on what a person believes a President has done or not done.

                The past decade of Obama and Trump have proven this overwhelmingly.

                Trump condemns this act of violence, yet the 'Left' will say only that he supports it and calls out for it.

                Obama for years, even after there were police who were murdered in an open assassination style killing spree, supported groups like BLM and with his words and deeds made it seem as if he supported the open hostilities against Police... this too, can be tempered by one's political leanings.

                This is just one more example of how people project their own beliefs into the latest event dramatized in our media.

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                  promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  A President who applauds violence on TV in front of millions of people is not about political perspective.

                  It doesn't take someone on the "Left" to watch a TV, see him do it and believe that he encourages violence.

                  It does take a Trump supporter to deny what everyone else sees with their own eyes and hear with their own ears.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image89
                    Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this



                    As usual, we will have to simply disagree with one another and leave it at that.

                    Trust me, I am certain I find your comments as nonsensical or blinded by bias as you see mine to be.

  6. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
    JAKE Earthshineposted 2 years ago

    It's false fake garbage like this discussion that will surely cause the demise of HubPages, I hope their watching because social media is REMOVING Fake Stories:

  7. peeples profile image94
    peeplesposted 2 years ago

    He sent bombs, does it really matter what party he is from? Are we really trying to imply that one person is representative of entire groups of people? Liberals and conservatives are acting ridiculous with this.

    1. Ken Burgess profile image89
      Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, there are more than a few that try to identify all with the actions of one.

      There will be no knowing the full truth of this story or who this person is... to be clear, each media source (CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc.) will have their own spin on it, their own biased agenda, and if they don't, if they are ALL saying the very same thing almost word for word, well then, I leave that to your experience and understanding to recognize what that means.

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      promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes it matters, if the President of the United states and leader of a major national party praises and applauds acts of violence.

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        Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Voting for Madonna .......?

      2. peeples profile image94
        peeplesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        These are damn adults. President being a dumba$$ or not, they are adults who are responsible for their own behavior. You can't blame the president or all republicans for the actions of idiots, even if they encourage it. Implying this is the president's fault is implying these people are not responsible for their own actions. The people who shoot up places, bomb places, etc are not representative of the masses.
        *Being said as someone who hates Trump.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you.  Somehow, somewhere, we seem to have lost the concept of personal responsibility.  It's always someone else's fault whenever we behave poorly.

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          promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          So no one has any influence over anyone else? No one reacts to a President's comments? Applauds or gets excited? Cheers or votes or contributes money to a campaign? Yells or gets angry?

          And where did I put all of the blame on Trump and all Republicans?

          1. peeples profile image94
            peeplesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I didn't say that. I said that those above are not responsible for it. They are not responsible for the actions of other people. Each individual is responsible for themselves. If we had a democrat president and they implied republicans were trash, would we then blame them for the actions of someone who shot up republicans? This is an insane concept. Adults are adults, influence or no. Talking crap about people is not the same as forcing someone to kill people. There is no gun to the heads of these people demanding they kill or be killed. Therefore it is their own fault.. Our president encourages violence, yet I am not out here being violent. Why? Because I am an adult, responsible for my own actions.

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              promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              That is a truly idealistic viewpoint. You need to meet more mentally ill people. They are often not responsible for their actions and are easily manipulated.

              Just because you are not violent, mentally ill or easily manipulated doesn't mean everyone is the same as you.

              And the issue is not simply a bombing and one side versus another. The core issue is a President who applauds violence.

          2. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Every person has influence with every other person they interact with in any way, from a marriage to a chance glance on the subway to a have filled tirade on social media that others see.

            But what we DO with that influence is 100% up to us.

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              promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Spin it one way and then another. We are all personally responsible for this version of your spin. But then you blame Democrats for your other spin.

              "And every day he is subjected to people proclaiming how evil, and how terrible Trump is, demonizing this mans idol with every possible ugly description.

              "Is it any wonder that this damaged mind took steps to "protect" the image he has formed of Trump?"

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                PrettyPantherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Like I said, it was a masterpiece of bul!$h!t.

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                  promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Hey! Is Mrs. Claus allowed to use that kind of language?  wink

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                    PrettyPantherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    No, but this is just me, the catty liberal. Mrs. Clause only comes out from the North Pole once a year in December. I'll post another pic when she returns. smile

              2. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Not sure I'm following you.

                What you quoted is my take on who has done the influencing of that sick mind - the popular claim is that it is Trump, but it seems to me the the large majority of negativity (as seen/experienced) by the bomber is coming from the hate speech against Trump, not from him.

                Would you disagree with that?  Do you think it was Trump's words that convinced that mentally ill person he needed to warn/scare the people ranting against his idol? 

                Or are you complaining that I said everyone is responsible for themselves, then say it is the left that influenced that poorly functioning brain?

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                  promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  I believe you are saying that everyone is responsible for themselves on one hand, which exonerates Trump, and that Democrats are at fault for the bomber on the other.

                  I am not saying Trump is the only reason (or no reason at all) why the bomber committed his acts. His mental state most likely is the result of multiple factors.

                  But it's at least possible that Trump's behavior is one of those factors because the bomber is a devoted Trump follower.

                  Even if Trump is not one factor in the bomber's behavior, Trump has made comments that increase the risk of violence for people who are more easily influenced by him.

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Ah.  Let me expand a little, then.

                    Trump most certainly DID affect the bomber...he became the idol of perfection to that bomber.  And the left people with tirades and rants of hate speech became the antithesis and something that needed to be warned (not positive if it was an actual attempt to murder or just to warn).  And both did it primarily from their own actions, although it is likely that right rhetoric helped produce the liking for Trump.

                    But, Promisem, if we had to take blame for every possible time we had any affect on mentally ill people we wouldn't be able to interact with anyone at all.  We couldn't post anything, we couldn't step outside, for we would never know what seemingly innocuous thing would set up a chain in their mind leading to inappropriate behavior.

                    So, no - neither Trump nor the left wing tirades are responsible for that man's actions.  They have no blame, even though it is a pretty safe bet that those tirades create anger in "Trump lovers".  Although the mentally ill are not considered responsible for their actions any more than children are, neither is anyone else.  Had neither Trump nor the ranters spoken, it is very likely he would have gone off anyway, just in another direction.  Something else would have raised his anger.

                    My only real intent was to give an opinion that it was those tirades that had the larger effect on producing the actions of the bomber.  It wasn't Trumps words nearly as much, no matter how much he is blamed for it.  "Sit back, calm down, and think about why he was angry and at whom", in other words.

                2. GA Anderson profile image91
                  GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Where are you getting your "mentally ill" from Wilderness? Did I miss something in the news? All I have seen so far just shows him to be a nut job. And there are a lot of those among us.

                  Is there a new definition of mentally ill that would include - figuratively speaking, morons like this guy - as currently portrayed?

                  I am a bit worried bud. You don't usually run with something when there is such few facts.

                  GA

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    GA, as far as I'm concerned anyone that will murder (I'm assuming attempted murder, not a misguided effort at warning) people that have done them no harm is mentally ill.  You may not like the terminology, but I know of no other term to indicate that the thought processes, the reasoning capability of the brain, is defective and not working as it should.  Or perhaps it's the part where morals reside; whatever part it is, that part of the man's brain is not working.  There is something wrong with it.

                    I can tolerate a lot of differences, but a willingness to casually murder is not one of them.  Not in our society.

  8. Live to Learn profile image78
    Live to Learnposted 2 years ago

    We'll have to agree to disagree. Yes, I think the President suffers foot in mouth and says things that are outrageous. However, on many occasions I have listened to the media as they lambasted a comment and when I listen to the entire clip it is clear it was taken out of context and ridiculously politicized. Does that account for all? Certainly not. And, I will blame the President for his part in the current climate because his brash and uncivil behavior was what won him the nomination and subsequently catapulted him into the presidency. The left has followed suit. But, they followed suit.

    As to violence in an individual. I take into account an entire lifetime which culminates in a violent act. We are each, to some extent, responsible for the acts of any we encounter throughout our lives. A chance encounter with you, at a specific moment in my life, could result in a chain of events which, at their end, cause you to bear some brunt of responsibility. Even at .001 percent, you would bear some weight of responsibility; if we are going to lay blame for the actions of the individual at the feet of another.

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Sharlee , I have found it more than interesting that for fifty years the left in America , no matter how categorically  defined ,  has incited and perpetrated more violence than ANY party in five other
    western world countries and still reasons that they can blame conservatives in America for more violence .However , Such is the political  reality and the media  agenda of most democrats today.

    Ever heard a democrat  reason in a debate , No , they merely scream their reasoning power away , it happens in a school budget meeting , a town meeting and in their extremely useful news media .

  10. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
    JAKE Earthshineposted 2 years ago

    I hope everyone here realizes that the title of this discussion is "FAKE":
    The "MAGA" Bomber is a right wing lunatic Bozo Trump Fan, not a leftist:

    1. Credence2 profile image82
      Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jake, that is obviously, but the Right will never admit to that. There is nothing "leftist" about it.

  11. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
    JAKE Earthshineposted 2 years ago

    Yeah right, but you do realize that the title of this discussion is "FAKE" right? The "MAGA" Bomber suspect is a lunatic Trump fan who attended his hate gatherings:

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Credence is very good at parroting my accusations of the far lefts very real majority of incredibly violent rhetoric , AND I say that as presidents always come and go every few years it's the NEWS MEDIA that has far more responsibility in limiting its own Anti- conservatism rhetoric and indirect supporting of violence..

    -Media accountability ?   None !
    -Leftists accountability ? None !

    Now they want to hold conservatives  to account ? Right .........

    1. Credence2 profile image82
      Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Are we comparing violent rhetoric with actual body counts? Conservatism as it is practiced in the Era of Trump is crap, do you think that you can look in the mirror and see something other than your own reflection?

      Yes, I am holding Conservatives and their rabid rightwing cousins to account!!

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    I will say it ONCE again , Which ideology is most responsible for "the falling through the cracks " in and of  the legal system AND the softening of punishment and incarceration in these despicable acts of violence? BOTH the Florida "pipe bomber " and the synagog shooter seem to have extensive footprints both in the courts and legal system .

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    GA  , Prettypanther , It is absolute mindless to assume this shooter or the bomber is mentally  "normal " in any way ,  Which one of you or anyone here has to wait for the mental examinations to determine that someone who chooses to take the lives of innocent people by sitting for hours in the back of a van and fabricating pipe bombs ?
    Which one of you or anyone here imagines daily picking up a firearm and walking into a synagogue and punching balls of lead through the flesh of eighty and ninety year olds praying to their god ?

    I can say that  these murderers are mentally ill without a college education and you cannot WITH ONE ?  It is then no wonder the mass killing will never end in our lives , that crimes of any kind cannot be cured ,  it is no wonder our "normal " children walk into a school and take the lives of their fellow students in a mass shooting while your kind of opinions linger throughout or culture in spades ,
    Jeees !

    1. Sychophantastic profile image92
      Sychophantasticposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Plus, these were supporters of George Soros. Soros has been leading the destruction of Western Civilization and eventually somebody is going to have to do something about it.

      1. Live to Learn profile image78
        Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        ??? Where do you come up with that one? People need to stop politicizing violence. It's insanity; plain and simple. Politicians and their supporters do not cause insanity in others.

        1. Sychophantastic profile image92
          Sychophantasticposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          You can't conduct a war on western civilization, like George Soros is doing, and not expect people to try to defend their values.

          1. Live to Learn profile image78
            Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Values like 'I don't like your politics so I'm going to send you a pipe bomb' or 'I don't like a religion so I'll kill its adherents' are not values we should defend the right to defend. They are sick and twisted.

            1. Sychophantastic profile image92
              Sychophantasticposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Is that how you feel about radical Islam? George Soros and radical Islam are conducted the same war on Western Civilization from different ends.

              1. Live to Learn profile image78
                Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                I am completely opposed to violence by any group, at any time, that causes harm to average citizens who are attempting to go about their business, peacefully.

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Live to learn , Synchophantastic , ......Synch is correct .  I just listened to WBUR  NPR in Boston just do an "On Point" broadcast that associates  this shooter not only with Trump rhetoric , but grouped all "conservatives , white nationalists , Nazi collaborators ........"  ,WITH THIS SHOOTERS motives .................

    If you or anyone here believes that that isn't incredibly damning and biased media rhetoric  then you don't know or understand what news media bias is at all .   I am next going to contact that station and ream them out . I am done with listening to the bias and hate slanted rhetoric from NPR ,for that matter  from any leftist spewing narrative that goes off as anti-conservative like they just did .

    1. Sychophantastic profile image92
      Sychophantasticposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You and I are of one mind, sir. Just because conservatives believe in a traditional America, one that perhaps harkens back fifty or a hundred years, one that respects the Constitution, one that focuses on traditional values and traditional ways of life, does not mean that we are racists and terrorists. At the very least, Christian values deserve the same respect as other values - at the VERY LEAST. Instead, Christians are now being lumped in with terrorists simply because we use the Bible to establish our moral and ethical code. RIDICULOUS.

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Wilderness , You might as well debate with a brick wall as reason with activists on the left . And yes ! As you know  Democrats adopted leftism in the sixties and have since interbred with it as if trying to breed a new race of group thought cyborgs with an affinity to western world destruction .

    Prove me wrong ! Those on the left will never take responsibility for their unified anti-America message and actions .  They haven't yet although they are now just beginning to openly assert that message , ...........................
    "We Will Destroy America From Within ".

  17. GA Anderson profile image91
    GA Andersonposted 2 years ago

    Ed, I wasn't making the point this guy was "mentally normal." I was arguing against the claim he was mentally ill.

    Broadly speaking, you perspective could be expanded to consider any bad action that is against societal norms to be a case of mental illness. Of course that determination is based on how "bad" someone views that action to be.

    You peg it at these murders. Would one murder meet your bar? How about just being a 'hater', could that be a mentally ill person? I think you might say no, so next would be the question of that "hater" acting on their hate, would that person then be mentally ill?

    It is only my perspective, and I doubt it would be professionally supported, but I think there are simply bad people among us. Folks that are bad by their own volition, and folks that can be manipulated into being bad people.

    Are weak-minded, (not as in feeble minded), folks mentally ill?

    This guy obviously seems to be a hater. Did he only become mentally ill when he acted on his hate? When he violated society's norms?

    GA

    1. Aime F profile image80
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      As someone with multiple degrees in psychology (though not quite a professional yet), I agree with you. wink

      It’s also worth noting that most mentally ill people are not violent and do not commit crimes, so it seems unreasonable to use that as a point in which mental illness hinges.

      1. GA Anderson profile image91
        GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Thanks for the attempted support Aime, and judging from your previous response to Wilderness, I think we hold similar views, but ...

        When I went looking for support of my position, I came across this psychiatric bible referred to as DM5, (or something like that), and their listing of Personality Disorders that they now include as diagnosis of mental illness.

        Now, I question whether it is accurate to call a disorder a mental illness, but apparently they think it is. I found no support, (until your comment), but I still hold my perspective to be the more realistic one.

        *Your well-documented thought that most mentally ill people are non-violent may be in jeopardy now that the basket of mental illness diagnosis' has grown to be so encompassing.

        There are no such thing as bad people any more - just mentally ill people, bless their hearts.

        GA

        1. Aime F profile image80
          Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          People with certain types of personality disorders are more likely to commit crimes but it still doesn’t stand to reason that everyone who commits a crime does so because of a mental illness. There’s a good reason that the NCRMD fails miserably most of the time.

          Honestly I think this is more of a philosophical issue than a psychological one. Right versus wrong and why some people can’t grasp (or don’t care about) the difference.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Does the profession consider amoral people ill?  Does the question even have a bearing here?

            I DO think you're right in that it is more a philosophical issue today.  Blame is not assigned to the mentally ill - compassion and understanding forbids such action.  We are also progressing to a better understanding that there IS no universal, god given right and wrong, not in a secular society that forbids such definitions by government.

            So it is philosophical.  Or at least so it seems to me.

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Don , Aime ,

    It is abnormal for people to go around committing mass killings because they are what ? Angry . No . "Angry people"  don't cut it .
    What normal human being even one who is angered by political  rhetoric sits for hours making bombs ,   takes a weapon of any kind and calmly walks into a room and begins to sort out his apparent irritation of normalcy ?

    We're certainly seeing angry in the streets , the academic fueled anger of Antifa , an anger turned lose to don a mask hiding one's identity , throwing molotov cocktails or  BLM  made up of angry mobs at times selecting a perhaps lone "white  man " , or turning over a police cruiser and torching that  ? Are these people angry , are they deranged ? Are they politically motivated ?

    It's more than obvious even degreed professionals can't begin to answer these questions ,  The pipe bomber may even be less than intelligent enough to know the consequences of his acts ? Whatever the answers , we are never going to see the end of these incidences in our lifetime .  My point being ,  as you're calling out our president in partisan blame , I call out the incredible media bias  which has far ,far greater responsibilities than one or even  two passing presidents.

    By the way , Obama had just as much affect on inciting anger and  political divisiveness as Trump , will you all be blaming Obama as well as your arch enemy Trump ?   Remember , the greatest recorded firearm and ammunition salesman  in America ---of all time ---was Barack Obama  , can I get an amen to that ?

    1. crankalicious profile image94
      crankaliciousposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      To make this point again, it seems to me you have a problem with black people and I would be shocked if you weren't a racist. Do you use the n-word regularly? Have many black friends?

      Just to be clear, this "angry mob" line emerged from white nationalist sites and is white nationalist rhetoric that has made its way into the right-wing mainstream. Attacks on George Soros also came from white nationalist sites with clear anti-semitic messages. Parroting that message means you agree with the white nationalists or are completely ignorant about where those messages come from or just don't care.

      Every single person who posts here should recognize such talk for what it is - racism and anti-semitism - and denounce it every time they see it.

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Crankalicious , Calling me racist while you belonging to the new Democratic party , an ideology that still invisions enslaving minorities as a Democratic success story , Oh that's cute  and yet so very predictable . Sounds like race baiting to everyone here !

    Have you heard of the newest political shifting in your party ?
    "Blexit ", the exit movement of blacks walking away from your party  in droves ?  I always find it interesting when the term is so easily thrown around by the left SO MUCH so that you even now call black conservatives -racists !  Your race baiting hypocrisy is astounding .

    I actual feel sympathy for your party's enslaved minorities and am reminded every time I meet a person of color , your party has so incited racism in all your people that they can't even make eye contact with someone smiling at them on the street , sure though , blame conservatives for your imploding Democratic party .

    It just fits . I love the insults here coming from fake names  .

    1. Aime F profile image80
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      “I love the insults here coming from fake names.”

      And for how many years were you doing that exact same thing?

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        Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Put your name up there Aime , It's refreshing and a direct challenge to those whose hypocrisy is constant , I was so challenged many times , think about it .  At least I chose not hiding .

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          PrettyPantherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Did you know that women often hide their identities online for safety reasons?

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            Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Yes especially in forums , Not so much on social media  huh ?

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              PrettyPantherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              You can control who sees your profile and posts on social media. You can't do that on the forums.

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                Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Plus you can be as nasty to people as you wish ?

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                  PrettyPantherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  You can do that with it without your real name. You've proven that.

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                    Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    And you do it even better ....always.
                    In fact you're the best here.

        2. Aime F profile image80
          Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          This is my name. And my photo. I’ve never been hiding.

    2. crankalicious profile image94
      crankaliciousposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Care to answer my questions? Have any black friends? Use the n-word with any regularity? Everything you post involves fear of the other. You fear black people standing up for themselves and you fear immigrants. You ascribe behaviors to them that incite more fear. White nationalism at its finest.

      The difference between what I have posted and what you have posted is that you are projecting your frustrations and wild interpretations of socialists onto me while I have merely interpreted your own words and provided some context for them.

      I actually despise the Democratic Party as it's currently constituted and I've posted that position many times, so try again.

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        Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        So without taking out of context anything of all I've said ,why don't you do us all a favor and point out my  "racism " ,     When you're done I will offer you a small surprise !

        1. crankalicious profile image94
          crankaliciousposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I've already done that. I explained exactly why I think you're racist - because you blow the same dog whistles that emerged from white nationalist web sites - attacking BLM, calling out George Soros. It's your goto attack. There's always some threatening "other" at fault when you lash out.

          Let me guess my small surprise - you're an African-American! Or you're married to an African-American? You adopted a child from Zimbabwe? Any of those would be awesome and totally set me on my heels.

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            Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Crankalicious ,As usual you can't point to the subject you just scream your party's lines in desperate hysterics ; add five phony charges and mix thoroughly .....scream it out.

            -Racist
            -Misogynist
            -Nazi
            -White Nationalist
            -....................[personal choice]

            It shows absolutely zero depth of political intelligence ,I suggest you move over to the cooking and recipe forums . Do come back however when you gain some depth in political knowledge  .

            1. crankalicious profile image94
              crankaliciousposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Good try, Ed.

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                Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Want to truly understand the ideology of leftist hypocrisy ? Look to the patterns of the spoken policy , the behavior and then the action , there is no finer method of seeing into the ideals of your party than to expose the naked truth.

                Gonna show us all my racist remarks and N-word use  anytime soon Crankalicious ?

                1. crankalicious profile image94
                  crankaliciousposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Definitely not. Your words speak for themselves.

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                    Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    I thought not !  And false accusations of the leftist uninformed  speaks [screams] for itself ........I'm saving your little surprise for your next "racist "insult however .

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Anyone raised the definition of sociopath or psychopath ?
    No sense of empathy whatsoever .   All this talk !

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    "Its all in the eye " .....of  the rejection of socialism is what it is  , Now being rejected in many parts of the world , are you watching the UK , Germany , Brazil , Trump's America ,  Canada next , Trudeau is losing his appeal too ............? I've disliked those who don a mask no matter what the mission , phony forum names , socialists like Antifa in black masks the streets or the police controlling them .

    "My word is my name " Who said that ?

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Cranlkalicious In fact , before I offer up your little surprise please clarify my "white nationalist " stance with my "racism ", where I've "used the n-word ".........anywhere ,..........

    I'll be waiting ,

    1. crankalicious profile image94
      crankaliciousposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Once again, I didn't say you have used the n-word. I asked you if you had. Do you use it regularly? Have you ever used it in your life? If so, how many times? You have yet to address the question. All you have to do is say you don't use the word and have never used it. Pretty simple.

      And I explained how you are using criticisms that originated from white nationalist web sites.

      For somebody who is attacking (understandably so under the circumstances) the depth of my political acumen, you're making this really hard.

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        Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        So let's see , ........I have to verify my moral standing to a political alarmist so that you feel better about how you twist and manipulate my messages ?

        All because you accuse me of being a racist and an N -word user ?

        Surprise .

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    PrettyPantherposted 2 years ago

    For your reading enjoyment:

    10 Signs You're a Racist

    1. Live to Learn profile image78
      Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lol. I can thin it down to one. If you are a conservative a liberal would call you a racist, no matter you race or ethnicity. Who needs 10, when you are left of the aisle?

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        Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        +++++++++++and there you have it !

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        PrettyPantherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Yeah, that's it. Fer sure.

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Got to do better than that ..........

    1. profile image0
      PrettyPantherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You didn't enjoy it?  My bad.

  25. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
    JAKE Earthshineposted 2 years ago

    Still wondering WHY HubPages continues to risk their reputation by not removing a "FAKE" title like:

    "FBI Arrests Leftist in Pipe Bombing Scare in South Florida"

    When in reality, the world knows the person arrested was a right wing nut case:

    There are other "FAKE" titles and right wing Hate Speech in abundance here on this site: Not Good for HubPages future:

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      Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And your usual Trump speech isn't hate speech ?

    2. Aime F profile image80
      Aime Fposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It’s clearly sarcasm, Jake.

      And I’m not sure you’re one to be preaching about quality content.

      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
        JAKE Earthshineposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        In reality, it's actually a right wing "FALSE Title" and many former internet sites such as Russian TV, Alex Jones and many others have finally been removed from circulation for this exact same kind of proliferation of lies and hatred: If HubPages lasts another 6 months given all the extreme, crazy right wing conspiracy and hatred spewed around here, I'll be surprised: Unless of course they decide to clean up their act

        I understand we have an illegitimate, most dishonest president in recorded history who every time he opens his mouth, has about a 90% chance of blurting out a falsehood which systematically degrades our oval office, our credibility and the USA to the point of absurdity, but that doesn't excuse the spreading of lies by the conservative right wing, aka white nationalists

        By the way, my discussions are based on the TRUTH and yes, I do go after politicians NOT HubPages members, primarily dangerous conservative right wing crazies who are trying to destroy this country like Bozo Trump and "Mutt" McConnell who will attempt to SLASH social security and medicare if God forbid republicans maintain control of congress after next Tuesday:

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    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    This is so off topic ,someone  should actually do a hub about this , It is one of the most strenuous challenges against our nation's legacy and strength in morality .
    Title   
    "The Phoniness of Leftist Political Accusations ".

    Why ?   Because for a nation of people of both parties who have  fought so hard against  these worldly human tragedies like racism and  nationalism , ie...WWII .......the Civil War ......Slavery .......etc.  AND NOW the falsification of truth in such political phoniness as to falsely accuse ,
    -Racism
    -Nazi
    -Nationalism

    We as a nation of people SHOULD have learned such incredible lessons in the elimination of all the Hitlers of the world , we SHOULD have learned something .....anything.... in the horrible and unforgettable atrocities of EVEN our own ancestors , those who have historically dwelled in worlds of assorted hate , one kind or another , personal , race oriented ,  politically oriented , nationally oriented ...........
    Yet,   the extreme example of acquired knowledge stares us all right in the face today ,   As democrats today politically accuse ,for something so simple and lacking of any morality as political capital , false "Racism " ! 

    This is something that has always made me actually angry and I seldom get angry ,  to falsely accuse another person[s] or party of racism for what , forum attention ?  No,  because the party of the left has devolved to a political standing in America to some point just below the political viability and sustainability of Pat Poulsen .  What horrible an accusation for simply political capital to accuse of such ?

    Now I know there will be the usual sarcastic one line "come backs " for this , just as much as I know that many here have forgotten the perhaps familial or even personal sacrifices against what I am talking about ; For them who do ?   You know exactly where to go .

  27. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    If Hubpages started removing by request either threads , posts or hubs in the politically fake sense , we would all be asking now where did they go ?

 
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