The Roger Stone indictments...

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   jackclee lmposted 4 years ago

   Dear Mr. Mueller, if you are going to indict Roger Stone of process crimes, where is the equal justice under the law? Shouldn't all Americans receive equal treatment regardless of political affiliation?
   What about James Clapper, who lied to Congress?
   I can name a bunch of Obama officials, including Eric Holder, the Previous Attorney General in the Obama administration, who lied and obstructed...
   
   Is this America or Nazi Germany? Where are the true Americans? 
   If they can go after Roger Stone, they can go after anyone else...including you.

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      Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Another aspect that I find upsetting it that CNN went and able to record his arrest.  This is Stalin-era tactics.  That is very upsetting.

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         jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I know, all Democrats, Republicans and independent should take notice. We have a runaway special consel that are hurting our justice system and creating a precedent for future actions...
         Another administration could use the same tactics on their political opponents and pretty soon, we will have a nation ruled under tyranny...

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            Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            After backing the most corrupt POTUS in American history, you guys are defending another slimeball with a tattoo of Nixon on his back!

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               jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               What? Where is the proof? The most corrupt POTUS was Bill Clinton and guess what? He survived impeachment and he is more popular than ever among Democrats...

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                  Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Everyone around Trump has either been indicted or questioned by Mueller and you believe Trump wasn't aware of what his cronies were doing? The "hands-on" art of the deal dude didn't know about the corruption?  Another two  

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                     jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, I beleive because many of the crime charged happened years ago before Trump ran for President. Tell me how that relates to this case?

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                        Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        What you believe and what is real are two different things, Jack. You've proved that to us many times!

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               Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I realize in the orgy of hatred those on the left have jumped into this is difficult for you to fathom but fair play and equal treatment should rule our justice system. Advocate for a free for all now, don't cry foul when it is directed your way.

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                  gmwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  +1000000000000000000000000, LTL!

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         PhoenixVposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Cnn probably notified Mueller they were going to kick in some doors.

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         GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         The lead CNN reporter on that early morning crew said they were there at 5 am because they 'had a feeling' something might happen.
         
         I have a "feeling" too. Somebody is fibbing
         
         GA

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            Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            It's been suspected for weeks Roger was going to be indicted so a good reporter would be sure and keep an eye on his domicile(s) for just such an event. Nothing unusual in that.

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               jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, and you believe in the tooth fairy...

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                  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Nothing unusual...except that those reporters were allowed beyond the police barriers that no one else could cross.

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                     GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     You don't find it unusual that they just guessed the right morning to be there at 5 am?
                     
                     When the reporter on the scene was asked why he was there that morning, his answer was he had a feeling something might happen. I understand good experienced reporters develop instincts for stuff like this, but I also understand good experienced reporters also develop contacts and tipsters.
                     
                     Anyway, at the least, it was a damn good guess.
                     
                     GA

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                  Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Even the Tooth Fairy is more real than Donnie! 

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               GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               You are right Randy, and they may have had a spotter watching the house.
               
               But, they had not been there at 5 am every morning, and nothing happened prior to about 5:45 am that morning, so a "spotter" couldn't have called them in to be there and set-up by the time of the 6 am event.
               
               GA

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                  Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  According to the news, there was a meeting the night before between Roger and some conservative group of some sort. It may be this aroused the press, but even if this wasn't true, there's always been those who tip off the press when something of this import occurs.

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                     jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Right, it is called leaking. The FBI is the leaker in Chief with Comey and his crew...

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                        Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Yeah right, most of the leaks come from the WH. Comey is no longer involved in Trump's investigation and Mueller is notoriously leak proof. You're listening to Rush and Sean and they don't know dog$#it about what's really going on in the investigation.
                        
                        All they can talk about is how Hillary tried to steal the election from Donnie and the Steele Dossier. They are both a couple of paid shills as you'll discover when Mueller's report is made public.

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                     GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Islandbites posted a link that seems to be plausible ... as an explanation.
                     
                     GA

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            IslandBitesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Could be. But it was more than a feeling, this is their explanation.
            
            https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/25/poli … index.html
            
            (Not saying is exactly what happened, but it was indeed reported the day before - not only on CNN - about the unusual changes and so on.)

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               GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks for the link. That story sounds more plausible than the reporter's first on-camera comment, (that morning), that he was there because he "had a feeling."
               
               GA

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      GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Are you saying lying to Congress is a process crime?
      Perjury is a process crime?
      What does "process" mean, in the context of process crime?
      
      GA

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         jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         A process crime is lying to investigators...like Martha Stewart. Lying to Congress, under oath, is perjury. Both are serious but apparently some are more serious than others. It reminded me of George Orwell’s book Animal Farm.
         Some are more equal than others...
         I want the next Attorney General to charge James Klapper and others of perjury...we need to make an example of these people so that it will act as a deterrent for future officials. Why would they change their behavior if there are no consequences...

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            PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Why didn't Sessions pursue charges aganst Clapper and others?

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               jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Imdon’t know but Sessions has been a huge disappointment. He recuses himself from the Russian investigation but then did not do anything else either. He could have revisited the Clinton email...but chose not to...
               He wants the title of Athorney General but non of the work.
               How did Trump Pick this guy?

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            GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I agree with much of your comment jackclee, relative to lying to Congress being perjury. And I heartily agree that some are more equal than others.
            
            To that point, I stumbled on a factoid while checking out Clapper's "lies." It seems only about six people have been charged with perjury for lying to Congress - since 1940.
            
            I agree there is a double standard with this issue; one article referred to those, (like Clapper), DC denizens that lied and got away with it as DC's "Made Men."
            
            But, I think to try to pass off the description as a "process" crime is the same as calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant. I feel confident you wouldn't agree with that.
            
            ps. I think the statute of limitations for Clapper's offense has run out or will run out in days.
            
            GA

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      Don Wposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      "What about James Clapper, who lied to Congress?"
      
      If you're referring to Clapper's testimony to the Senate in 2013, surely that wouldn't be within the scope of the Special Counsel's investigation, as outlined in the authorization to investigate the Special Counsel received from the Deputy AG.

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         jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Why should it be part of Mueller’s investigation?
         A crime is a crime...and should be pursued regardless of who does it?
         Or am I missing something?

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            Don Wposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            You started your opening comment with "Dear Mr. Mueller". I thought you were suggesting the Special Counsel is biased because he has not investigated James Clapper's testimony.
            
            If that's not the case, then who is your accusation of bias aimed at, bearing in mind the Executive, House and Senate have all been under Republican control for the last two years?

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               jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I used Mueller as an example.
               The job ahould be someone at the DOJ but unfortunately, we have a no show for an attorney general.
               Our system is broken and no one seems interested in fixing it.
               I an against both parties because they are part of the problem and not the solution.
               I think we need term limits and rethink how our Congress is to be run.
               This rediculous budget process should be throw out.
               Lets get a real account in there who can manage a budget and create a budget on schedule...
               I would open investigation on all senators and congressmen. I want them to account for their time in Washinton.
               What do they actually do? There are 535 members and nothing seems to get done on time.
               Perhaps we should shut them down for 3 months and regroup.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  But you do not like the investigation into Trump's collusion with the Russians. Jack, you are hopelessly confused! 

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                     jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Make no mistake about this. No one is confused. Everyone including the Mueller team knows exactly what this whole thing is about. It is the insiders taking down a duly elected president. Every piece related to this investigation stinks to high heaven. If this was done to any Democrat, everyone would come to his defense, including me.

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                        wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        +1

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                        Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Again Jack, you wouldn't know crime if it bit you on the butt! 

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                           jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           Randy, what crime did Trump commit? Is there a law, a statue, or regulation? What crime?
                           Do you know what is high crime and misdemeaner?
                           That is the only thing our Constitution say is impeachable of a sitting president.
                           You my friend have been lead down a rabbit hole. There is no return from where you’ve gone.

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                              wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              " what crime did Trump commit?"
                              
                              I keep asking the same question, but have yet to get a single answer giving a conviction for even a speeding ticket.  Maybe it's that he won the election?

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                              Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              Jack, Michael Cohen plead guilty to campaign violations at the direction of Donnie, if you haven't heard. This is one reason Donnie is scared to sit down with Mueller and answer questions. Or do you have an alternate excuse?
                              
                              And don't forget our wager, dude. 

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                  Don Wposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Can you clarify what you're saying, as it's not clear to me.
                  
                  Are you saying you believe Clapper lied to Congress, therefore he should be indicted, but Trump associates indicted or convicted for lying to Congress should not be?
                  
                  Or are you saying it's good that the Trump associates who lied to Congress have been convicted or indicted, and you just think Clapper should be too?

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                     jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, the latter. I thought I made that clear. Equal justice apply to all.

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                        Don Wposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        You probably did Jack. I think I was a bit thrown by your approval of the fact that Trump's associates have been indicted and convicted for lying to Congress.
                        
                        Now you're talking about addressing issues with all of Congress, as opposed to just "The Democrats". You almost sound non-partisan. What have you done with the real jackclee?
                        
                        But it does go back to the question I initially raised? Shouldn't any complaint about inaction in the last two years be aimed at the current administration, who's party controlled Congress and the Presidency during that time?

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      Sychophantasticposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      This is 100% correct. What has Roger Stone ever done to anyone? Nothing. Our government is clearly filled with Nazis now, using Nazi-era tactics to arrest innocent citizens - to pull them off the street and make them disappear. Really, how far away are we from gas chambers for Republicans who are murdered for expressing their political views? I say not far. This is why the second amendment is so important. We all need to protect ourselves from run-a-way government officials showing up at our doors and trying to imprison us for made-up crimes.

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   PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago

   As with any crime, perjury will not be prosecuted unless there is sufficient evidence to prove guilt in a court of law.

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      jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      So why have a law when it is rarely utilized?
      Why have Congressional hearings and oversight duties when someone can just lie lie lie...?
      Why waste our time and money?
      
      I am sick of these hearing? they are grand standing shows which is a joke.
      The senator or congressmen typically spend 90% of their time making a speech before asking a question, and then ignore the answer...
      I want these hearing to be meaningful else don’t have them at all.
      This system is broken.
      We need a new way to hold elected and appointed officials accountable.

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         PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I have to say, your being so concerned about lying is, well, funny.
         
         But to your question, congressional hearings do involve a lot of political grandstanding but have also served to enlighten the public about important people and issues and can be quite riveting.

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            jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Lying to Congress about NSA spying on American people is no big deal? It took a whistleblower like Ed Snoden to reveal the truth, and he has to leave our country...
            The world as we know it is upside down.
            Trump trying to defend our borders is made out to be a clown...
            While Mueller with his checkered past is touted as a straight shooter, as is ExFBI director Comey, the leaker.
            He received glowing accolades for his book tour...
            He is not facing any charges as far as I know and collected a huge sum for his book deal.
            Where is the justice?
            We are no longer the country of JFK and Reagan.
            We are a country with Criminals like the House of Cards of Clinton and Obama with the help of the DNC and Main stream media.
            America is doomed by our own traitors.
            No other country can defeat us militarily or economically.

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               PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Who said lying to Congress is no big deal? It IS a big deal. I'm just saying that it must be provable in a court of law before it will be prosecuted.
               
               The rest of your post is just a bunch of right-wing nonsense.

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                  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  How does one proof perjury in a court of law? Tell me.
                  How does a guy like Clapper, who collects a nice pension, works for a consulting company pay for his perjury?
                  What is the mechanism for this guy to receive justice?
                  Do you know?
                  It is easy to say lying to Congress is a big deal...
                  But if there are no consequences...where is the beef?
                  
                  Sorry for carrying on today but ever once in a while...I just need to vent.

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   Readmikenowposted 4 years ago

   

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      PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      That has to be one of the stupidest comparisons I've seen in a long time.
      
      

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   Readmikenowposted 4 years ago

   So, when will the hypocrisy and double standards on the left ever end?  I suppose the left would have to be able to comprehend the concept of honesty first.  And we don't see this in the main stream media because?????
   
   
   No One Mentions That The Russian Trail Leads To Democratic Lobbyists
   
   
   “The media’s focus on Trump’s Russian connections ignores the much more extensive and lucrative business relationships of top Democrats with Kremlin-associated oligarchs and companies. Thanks to the Panama Papers, we know that the Podesta Group (founded by John Podesta’s brother, Tony) lobbied for Russia’s largest bank, Sberbank. “Sberbank is the Kremlin, they don’t do anything major without Putin’s go-ahead, and they don’t tell him ‘no’ either,” explained a retired senior U.S. intelligence official. According to a Reuters report, Tony Podesta was “among the high-profile lobbyists registered to represent organizations backing Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich.” Among these was the European Center, which paid Podesta.”
   
   https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderi … 2c574c3991

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      Sychophantasticposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, why isn't the so-called Justice Department going after John Podesta. And after all that talk about "lock her up", why haven't we put Hillary Clinton in jail yet? Why hasn't President Trump made that priority number one!

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting article about Trump's "drain the swamp" attempts, Mike. Not many top Dems names are mentioned except Podesta's brother. 
      
      
      Trump has further filled the swamp rather than the opposite. "I'll always hire the best people."   

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         Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I always hold out hope you will some day post something I consider brilliant.  That day is not today.

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            PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Why do you think Trump and his many appointees don't go after Podesta and Clinton? He did pledge to " lock her up."

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               Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Because even Trump is smarter than his voters and fans, Pretty.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  I would like to hear their reasoning  Just like Trump's stand on the wall; he had two years with a Republican controlled Congress to do something, but as soon as the Dems are in charge, it's an emergency.  Why? 
                  
                  Now, Mike and others are griping about not pursuing charges against Podesta and Clinton.  Trump and his appointees are in charge, so I'd really like to hear what they believe is the cause for the inaction.  I mean, I could speculate, but I'd like to hear from them.

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                     Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     They do not have an answer as to why they think they have a better chance of passing a wall bill now than when they had both houses. It boggles the mind!

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                        Sychophantasticposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        There's a very simple reason. We want to show how little Democrats care about the fact that murderers and rapists are pouring over our borders. Maybe the American people will wake up then and vote for people who care about our security.
                        
                        Here's a link about pedophiles killing children:
                        
                        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl … 33776.html

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                           Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm weary of your satire, Sycho. It's no longer humorous, although you have had some success in some posters falling for your spiel.

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                              hard sunposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              "There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, 'Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.'" – Nashville, Tennessee; September 17, 2002

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                                 Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 A Dubya classic....almost.

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                              Sychophantasticposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              If I just repost what Jack Lee says, would you consider that satire? Maybe Jack is the true satirist.

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                                 Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 Jack doesn't know any better. Everyone knows that, Sycho. He embarrasses himself as do many others defending Trump. They don't need your help in appearing foolish.

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                                 PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 We're living in a satirical movie where a boorish, lying, con man reality TV star gets elected president of the...oh no!...It's real!

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                                    Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                    I keep reminding myself it's real, Pretty. In my wildest dreams I never thought there were so many suckers in the US who would fall for Trump's BS. Every time I'm wrong I cut off another finger....     

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            Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Great Mike, I always take your disagreement as a sign I'm correct.

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