Manafort sentenced and indicted (again)

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  1. IslandBites profile image86
    IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

    The latest sentence, handed down by U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson in Washington, D.C., federal court, was for 73 months in connection with Manafort's guilty plea related to foreign lobbying and witness tampering. But Jackson ordered a portion to be served concurrently with a 47-month sentence meted out last Thursday in Virginia, meaning Manafort has 81 months left to serve behind bars. Manafort was credited with nine months time served, bringing the former Trump campaign chairman’s overall sentence to 7 1/2 years.

    Minutes after he was sentenced, the Manhattan District Attorney unveiled a 16-count indictment against Manafort related to a mortgage fraud scheme.

    So, do you think Trump will pardon him (for his federal crimes)?

    1. GA Anderson profile image91
      GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      I don't think Pres. Trump will pardon him. I don't see an upside for doing it.

      GA

    2. Miebakagh57 profile image40
      Miebakagh57posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Hi, islandbites, whether Trump pardons him or not is not my business. But I care. 71/2 behind bars is too much for an old man. Recently, I read in my local newspapers that an 80 years old man who abuse a teenager sexually for was very much pardon by the Britsh judge, because he has other bodily issues to be taken care of like high blood pressure. Thank you.

      1. hard sun profile image88
        hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I know many individuals who are less wealthy get a lot more time for doing a lot less wrong in the US. I've never heard of anyone in these parts get a sentence that much below the sentencing guidelines.

        Of course, in Indiana, if you're Jim Irsay, the owner of the Colts, you do what you want without fear of repercussions from the law. If you're poor, you get the shaft one way or the other, whether 9 or 99.

        1. promisem profile image97
          promisemposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Yep, I've seen the same thing. In America, wealth = justice.

          If you have doubts, just get a "court-appointed attorney" who will spend 5 minutes on your case.

          1. hard sun profile image88
            hard sunposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Yup, wealth does equal justice. I had an attorney straight up tell me he could make things go away for about $30,000 cash. This is really common knowledge though.

            1. GA Anderson profile image91
              GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Welcome to the real world. This is not a U.S. franchise.

              GA

              1. Miebakagh57 profile image40
                Miebakagh57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                I think the richer and more powerful a person in America is, he can get away with the law? Thanks.

              2. hard sun profile image88
                hard sunposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                I'm sure this is not exclusive to the US and has likely been this way, to some degree, since courts existed. However, that doesn't mean the plebes should just unquestioningly take it with no lube. Ah, that big money privilege. But, don't tax them...that's stealing, lol.

                1. Miebakagh57 profile image40
                  Miebakagh57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Hello, hard sun, I agreed with you. Here in Nigeria where courts also exist, the richer a person is, the more justice is perverted. The rich particularly political class are "gods."  Here where one steal public money or engaged in corruption like Manafort, the law becomes an ass!

                  The campaign to fight corruption is not yielding a significant result with the current government. The most corrupt are within the presidential fold or APC Government: governors, Senators, Legislator, and soon.

                  Thank you, and have a great day.

                2. GA Anderson profile image91
                  GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  I agree hard sun, we shouldn't just "take it." But it is a battle we will always have to fight.

                  However, I do think your "tax them" point is one of envy, not justice,

                  GA

                  1. Miebakagh57 profile image40
                    Miebakagh57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Noted, and thanks.

                  2. hard sun profile image88
                    hard sunposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Agreed on all but envy. I'm more than fine with where I'm at, and I learned years ago happiness is a state of mind, no matter income levels. But, that doesn't mean I think a select few should take, take, take and not give.

                    Fair taxation in a capitalist society is inescapable from "fighting" as you put it. If we let them convince us it's envy...it makes their job all the easier. I'll do my job. We cannot fight for justice without fighting for fair taxation.

                  3. promisem profile image97
                    promisemposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Taxation isn't just a tool to satisfy envy or increase government revenue. It's also a tool to manage social order.

                    Excessive wealth creates injustice such as our current court and political systems, both of which are getting worse.

                    It's also economically damaging by supressing lower-class incomes and wasting resources on billion-dollar homes and yachts.

                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconn … 651ee9f10b

                    Capitalism is good, but only to a point.

          2. MizBejabbers profile image89
            MizBejabbersposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            +1,000,000

      2. MizBejabbers profile image89
        MizBejabbersposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        In the U.S. sometimes fresh-caught elderly criminals are let off prison time because it would cost the state or the federal government (whichever applies) too much money to be responsible for their medical upkeep. That  has nothing to do with humanitarian reasons.

        1. hard sun profile image88
          hard sunposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          In some US prisons they just let the elderly lay in bed and die. Of course, that isn't likely with a prisoner who has wealthy friends and family.

          1. Miebakagh57 profile image40
            Miebakagh57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Hi, hard sun, ah ah ah! eh eh eh! "Of course, that isn't likely with a prisoner who has wealthy friends and family." How correct you are. In my country Nigeria, a wealthy man presently does not goes to prison. Recently, a Senator who falsely declared his educational qualification, and was supposed to serve imprisonment, is being awarded FIVE BILLION in local currency for damage. Thank you.

            1. hard sun profile image88
              hard sunposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              That's an insane amount of money to give someone even if they are falsely accused! It is sad that such practices seem so universal.  For reasons such as this, I think the underclasses should fight for policies that contribute to the betterment of its welfare. Of course, what those policies are, is debatable. However, in the US, prison and justice reform should be high on the list for the lower classes in my opinion. We need to vote in those who understand these things. The upper classes will certainly take advantage of what they can.

              1. Miebakagh57 profile image40
                Miebakagh57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Hello, hard sun, you know the minds of the people who do not think for themselves. This is not to say that they can not think and reason. For reasons better known to them such as monetary endorsement, these allowed their minds to be bought by the politicians and wealthy persons.

                With the small monetary gift received, they think the wealthy class will do the rest for them. Though these are always disappointed, they still go on the same path.

                So, if policies are going to be formulated, it will be done by the politician! Is the GND a plan of the general public or the government? Will, the government implements health, education, job, benefits in the pact?

                Voting those who understand these things into power can be derailed at times. Look at why President Trump to power. Is he performing his promises or his he double speaking? Thank you.

  2. MizBejabbers profile image89
    MizBejabbersposted 12 months ago

    Guys, what does all this have to do with Manafort? Just curious.

    1. GA Anderson profile image91
      GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Nothing, but in my defense, I did try, (weakly?), to steer away from it. ;-)

      GA

      1. Miebakagh57 profile image40
        Miebakagh57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Hi, GA, ah ah ah! Eh eh eh! You make me chuckle. I am a very light-hearted person, and your words "nothing" make me very light! And now, know this: I am still jingling! Thank you, and have a great weekend.

        1. hard sun profile image88
          hard sunposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          I have to say. That is funny.

    2. Miebakagh57 profile image40
      Miebakagh57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Hi, MizBejabbers, don't play silly. With all the serious discussions going on, but you're much welcomed. Good day.

 
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