I once made a joke about this very same thing and my post was deleted.
Why was my post deleted? Because it was an incendiary, horrible thing to suggest and might incite somebody to actually go shoot an immigrant.
Yet, here we have the POTUS hearing somebody yell out "Shoot them!" and not immediately denouncing the statement, which as far as the President goes, might as well be tacit support.
Now, to be clear, I doubt the President supports such a thing and this is probably why his supporters like him - he doesn't immediately play politics with statements like that. However, while he may think it's a joke, I don't really think the person who yelled it out thinks it's a joke nor do I think the people at the rally think it's a joke.
Set let that sink in - the solution to the immigrant issue is simply to murder them all according to people at the Trump rally.
That's what our nation is coming to - people sitting on the border shooting people.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/politics … index.html
I was ban on hubpage for suggesting Trump has a small penis because of his small hands, and his missiles ego. Lol.
People don't realize more Mexican die over the boarder drugs wars than they do over in Iraqi and Afghanistan.
To me it looks as Americans are obsessed with guns, and the president is the mirror of the American society. Apparently that's ok. As it is ok for the many Trump voters that he made the statement : "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters,”
Apparently Trump voters are used to violence and except it as the norm.
Most Americans are not obsessed with guns.
It just happens that the National Rifle Association is a powerful lobby with an enormous amount of money. They fight gun laws every step of the way.
It also happens that Trump voters own a lot of guns -- many of them for good reasons (hunters and farmers) and some of them for bad.
I do believe you Promisem but it is the image America has nowadays. And maybe most americans aren’t bothered by the image the US has abroad. But thanks to the behaviour of president Trump Europe does not see the US as a natural ally anymore.
Pompeo is warmongering against Iran at the moment, and as we all know a war is always great for ellections. Problem for Trump is though that he is probably on his own. Because of his tweets and rhetoric Europe is not eager to help him and the UK has their own Brexit problem.
Yes, gun nuts and Trump have severely damaged America's international reputation. Many of us are ashamed of what they have done to our country.
And yes, Trump is itching for a war, but I think he wants one to make people forget about all of the Russia investigations.
Those that oppose President Trump also own guns, and/or are protected by people owning/carrying them. Not all of those people should be trusted with one.
I doubt any reasonable person took that statement about standing in the middle of the street and shooting someone as anything but ignorant.
But, we do consider guns a right. That will not be abridged. Although we have a democracy, we understand how quickly liberty can be taken by a tyrannical government. I think the recent example of Venezuela should not be forgotten as an example of how rapidly things can devolve if we let down our guard.
Only when it impacts others (which gun ownership does, to a small amount).
"Limit" does not imply, however, that gun ownership should either be banned or so difficult to accomplish that no one can do it. "Shall not be infringed" makes that very clear even though we do apply limits.
Only one thing that sounds sane enough to make a good point for guns.
If the American military complex attacked American citizens. They would need their guns incase of a complete take over by the Powers to Be.
Point made by Jessi Ventura
Or any other countries. Or criminals when police is more than 30 seconds away (that's always).
Or, perhaps most important, because there is no good reason to deny them. It's called "freedom", and is what our country is based on. We have suffered enough with the not-so-gradual loss of personal freedom - there is no reason to allow it to happen again.
No other country would dare to attack America with public guns or without the public gun.
The US military complex is way too much power and the scariest, it unimaginable for anyone to attack them.
Please, Don't attack Canada for our water. Because we got so....many fighting men as hunters and hockey players.
Really? Was the Taliban a "country", albeit one without the geography? Was Japan a country 80 years ago? Germany?
So what name do American Authorities call their number one threat today, maybe ISSI. I can't keep up with the fact checking. I'm more concern about being killed by an armed Toddler or Lighting rather than chasing ghost terrorist around the globe.
How much talks about Taliban or Al Qaeda anymore. The US military supported the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency) provided arms to Afghans resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and US help create the Iraq vs Iran war. Who did Iran fight before? What manpower, military equipment, public guns, and most of all the number of psychopaths can Japan or Germany muster up to attack the US. Then cross the sea with this insane stuff. Less likely China because they must flood your markets with their products.
What type of limit? Crazy people can't have one? Convicted felons can't? Ones like that?
There is no connection between owning a gun and guarding democracy.
In many not democratic countries people own a gun.
In many democratic countries people don’t own a gun.
However you interpret the statement, the statement is made. And it is these un-presidential statements that makes President Trump unreliable as a partner. He may touch base with a part of his voters but he lost international credibility and trust.
All public figures make ridiculous statements. To pretend otherwise is displaying bias.
Really? In the same quantities as president Trump does?
I'll be honest. The president can seem an ass. The media can edit to increase the foolish nature of his words.
I have faith in people on this immigration crisis. We are fairly united in our desire to welcome those who follow immigration procedure. We are at odds as to how many can just shove their way into our good graces.
As wilderness pointed out, Trump didn't appear to be condoning, simply commenting on the oddity such a statement would be considered appropriate.
I am much more concerned about many other things going on in our country than a guy at a rally saying something ignorant.
I understand that. But it's not the first time this "guy" who happens to be the president, made an ignorant remark. One slip of the tong happens to the best of us, but if you continue to make ignorant remarks, especially as a president of a country (and one of the most powerful countries as such)
You could question his credentials for the job. As it breaks up international relationships.
You have to be at awe from Trump's lying, ridiculous statement, and false promises in the whole world of leaders and Presidents. Not even Mussolini can hold a candle to this megamaniac. What country kills their neighbor's people at the rate that US dose today. Trump wall, he says, is because of the drugs Mexican bring in. Most of the drugs are coming in through the regurlar boarder crossing. Still it's not even a drop in a bucket from the sea of green. Trump says they bring crime. Not at as high rate of crime as native American.
He puts his foot in his mouth, like no other in the world.
"What country kills their neighbor's people at the rate that US dose today."
Palestine and Israel come to mind, and there are many more that are, or did in the recent past, kill off their own people by the millions.
"Trump says they bring crime. Not at as high rate of crime as native American."
That they bring crime in amounts less than X means they don't bring crime? Or that it is acceptable because it is less that a very high number? I would disagree.
It's no secret that the death tolls in the Israel-Palestine conflict are lopsided, yet it's within their own country Palestinian is not a neighboring country... And Israel attacked many neighboring countries in the pass. Just like these Zionist owners of their goD America best friends.
You asked, I answered. That you then decide that they are but "Zionist owners and best friends with America" is meaningless. I notice that you didn't mention Palestine, though. Guess the rockets coming from there don't kill anyone, ever.
Let's pretend Palestine is a separate country. There one Jew death by to by Palestine rockets in 2018. The worst case was between 2004 to 2014, these attacks have killed 27 Israeli civilians and 5 national guards. Hardly compare to 29,000 deaths related to the Mexican drug wars in 2018. Maybe the Zionist should make a movie. Call it... The Passion of the Jews.
I can't believe hub pages doesn't ban anti semites.
To be consistent, they would have to ban racists, too, of which there are vastly more than anti-Semites.
Both are good at couching their true beliefs just enough to avoid the censors.
I have no problem with bans on racist comments. I think you'd be surprised how many comments by avowed liberals fall under that heading also.
I didn't mention anyone in particular, so I really don't understand why you felt the need to bring up liberals, but okay.
I don't think anyone missed the implication. The left has a growing anti Semitic problem. I commented to the effect that anti Semitic comments should be against the rules. Such a stand would negatively effect outspoken,left leaning posters.
Now, your response implied a ban on racists would be something I would regret. As if it were to either intend to imply a similar stand against racism would somehow negatively affect some you thought I might regret seeing banned or, you were implying I was a racist who might find myself banned by a rule change.
Since I hope you wouldn't lie about me I chose to comment in response to the other implication. Did I choose the wrong interpretation of your comment? Or are you attempting to backtrack?
"But it's not the first time this "guy" who happens to be the president, made an ignorant remark. "
What "ignorant" remark? That only the hillbillies of the panhandle would think of such a thing? I can understand those people might not be very happy, but outside of that, what makes it "ignorant"? Just that those hating the man will twist and spin it into "jokes about shooting immigrants at the border", as the title of this thread suggests?
Take heart. If Biden takes the next election we'll all have another ass in office making ignorant remarks.
Which countries with a heavily armed citizenry have descended into a dictatorship? We know of several with an unarmed people that did - which ones with enough guns to arm everyone in the country did?
Afghanistan, iraq, iran, angola, ivory coast, congo...should I go on.
Most of Europe have democracies and people definatly are not armed like the US.
No, they are not armed like Americans. And haven't been for a few decades.
Wonder what we'll see there in a couple hundred years?
But I'm shocked that there is a gun for every person in Afghanistan and Iran. I wonder just how terrorists manage to do so well in such countries, when every home has a gun or two yet they shoot up schools, conscript young boys for their army, etc.
hard to say. Afghanistan and Iran are countries in war for generations. clans fighting clans.
I think that lack of education or one sided indoctrination leads to extremism which leads to terrorism. It comes in handy when guns are easily available..
"Trump Jokes About Shooting Immigrants at the Border"
An interesting thread title...but one that has exactly zero to do with the facts. From the link in the OP, his reply to someone else making a comment about shooting illegal aliens crossing the border:
"That's only in the Panhandle you can get away with that statement," the President then said with a smile, with the crowd erupting into laughter. "Only in the Panhandle!"
So Trump didn't joke about shooting people; he made a joke about people that would make such a statement. Is there no end to the spin and twisting of words in order to demonize our President?
Correct. I described this in the body of the thread.
He laughed about it and didn't denounce what was being said. Think about what was said. He didn't denounce the person, but attempted to sympathize.
And it's not so much a denunciation of President Trump - after all, he didn't say it, but of the people at his rallies. But since he doesn't want to alienate those people, he puts up with comments like this.
"He laughed about it and didn't denounce what was being said. Think about what was said. He didn't denounce the person, but attempted to sympathize."
Really? I read his statement as poking fun at anyone stupid enough to advocate wholesale slaughter at the border. I take that as a denouncement of anyone saying such a thing - a clear "statement" (particularly when coupled with his earlier statements) that it was not acceptable.
He laughed, then, at the mindset producing the comment, not at the comment. Of course, I'm not looking for something to fault him with, but at the actual statement he made.
He laughed at the mindset and poked fun at stupid people that advocate this?
Trump, speaking to a crowd of thousands in Panama City Beach, noted the U.S. Border Patrol agents are not allowed to carry weapons to deter illegal crossings.
“And don’t forget, we don’t let them and we can’t let them use weapons,” Trump said of the border agents. “We can’t. Other countries do. We can’t. I would never do that. But how do you stop these people? You can’t.”
“Shoot them!” someone yelled from the crowd, according to reporters and attendees at the rally.
The audience cheered while Trump smiled and shook his head.
“That’s only in the Panhandle you can get away with that statement,” Trump joked. “Only in the Panhandle.”
This is not the first time Trump has referenced the lack of weapons at the U.S.-Mexico border.
While speaking with Fox News host and confidant Sean Hannity in March, Trump said the use of guns would be “very effective” even though it was not an option.
“Other countries stand there with machine guns, ready to fire,” Trump said at the time. “We can’t do that. I wouldn’t want to do that, OK? It’s a very effective way of doing it, but I wouldn’t want to do it. We can’t do it.”
I would say so. How else can you interpret “That’s only in the Panhandle you can get away with that statement,” Trump joked. “Only in the Panhandle.”?
Coupled with “And don’t forget, we don’t let them and we can’t let them use weapons,” Trump said of the border agents. “We can’t. Other countries do. We can’t. I would never do that"
“Other countries stand there with machine guns, ready to fire,” Trump said at the time. “We can’t do that. I wouldn’t want to do that, OK? It’s a very effective way of doing it, but I wouldn’t want to do it. We can’t do it.”
what I see is Trump denying the use of weapons and poking fun at people that advocate it. What do YOU see? Trump saying shoot them?
Admittedly, given how we parse his language on other things, that's an acceptable interpretation.
I guess what I'm getting at is that by not explicitly denouncing such statements on the spot, he tacitly endorses the statement and tries to make sure he doesn't alienate those kinds of people who support him because he needs them. There are a lot of them.
No. What I see is Trump saying we can't, but other countries do and it works.
And a simple statement of fact, while denying we will do the same, is what you consider joking and laughing at the idea of killing illegals?
That IS what the thread is about - Trump laughing at the thought of killing illegals crossing the border. What DID you mean if not that? Were you simply stating what Trump said - a demonstrably true fact without emotional overtones?
I replied to your comment.
-He laughed at the mindset and poked fun at stupid people that advocate this?
- No. What I see is Trump saying we can't, but other countries do and it works.
Maybe he pokes fun at his stupid self?
Sorry - I'm kind of lost then. Are you cherry picking a specific phrase that you will then using it to insinuate Trump thinks we should kill? Did you intentionally ignore the rest of his comments? Are you disagreeing with my statement that he poked fun at people that think we should simply shoot illegals?
Trying to discuss, but somewhere I'm missing the point you tried to make.
I read where Antifa was busted for attempting to purchase guns and storm ice at the border. So, it appears the left are the ones who,as you say, dream of sitting at the border shooting people.
I don't know what, intellectually, this kind of response has to do with anything. Please provide a link to this story.
There's a video of the incident I cited, so you can watch it.
I think using intellectually in any manner when referring to this thread might be a stretch.
Edit. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne … ber-report
There you go.
So, the very central difference here is that in one instance we're discussing Trump's base and in the other we're discussing a fringe group that, while leftists, are not representative of positions taken by nor are they supported by Democrats. I, along with every Democrat I know, would categorically denounce what those people are alleged to have done.
It's like saying that it appears the right are the ones that dream of sitting at the border shooting people.
A right-wing militia group called United Constitutional Patriots has begun stopping migrant families at gunpoint in southern New Mexico and detaining them before U.S. Border Patrol agents arrive, The New York Times reported last month.
The group’s leader, Larry Hopkins, was arrested last month on charges of being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition.
The 69-year-old reportedly bragged two years ago that the group's members had received training to assassinate figures such as former President Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and prominent Democratic donor George Soros.
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Our president knows how to cater to his base and still claim innocence. He is a manipulative, lying con artist who embarrasses our nation.
This is nothing new, same nut jobs different decade: The racist Trump type crazies here in the USA once shouted "Shoot em" when Scottish, Irish, German and Polish immigrants tried to enter this country but the immigrants just IGNORED the threats, stayed strong and determined and they prevailed:
The Mexicans who are the flavor of this decade for these paranoid insecure cowards will also stay strong just like immigrants of decades past and they will prevail over the unbridled HATE residing in our oval office:
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