100 million for golf, 30 million for a parade, all for the guy who made a point to criticize his predecessor for his lavish spending. Just more GOP hypocrisy, nothing to see here.
Trump was going to be too busy to play golf, remember? But of course, he was simply joking....
I've never seen any politician lie so blatantly and often. He has no shame or sense of right and wrong.
I must ask you to post a resource of where you got your figures in regards to the cost of the 4th celebration. I have been unable to find the factual cost for the celebration. I just think when one posts such an inflammatory "blurb" they should back it up with facts.
Here is a link for his golf, one he personally benefits from: https://presidentialgolftracker.com/
We'll need to wait for the parade figures to come in...
One point that weighs in Trump's favor is international travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_i … ted_States
To summarize this last link since people are hesitant to click on links, Trump has made 14 trips to Obama's 52.
And here is the list of the 79 rallies Trump has held since his election:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p … mp_rallies
https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career … bill.html/
I did not dispute that Trump has spent taxpayers money on golf trips. Please read my comment. As I stated I just think when one posts such an inflammatory "blurb" they should back it up with facts. Your statement in regards to the amount spent on the 4th celebration cannot be verified. As you now admitted we need to wait on those costs. I believe your comment claimed that 30 million was spent on the event.
Yes, those were the estimates for his fourth of July event. You should be able to concede that there was an additional cost to the event that was not previously incurred under previous presidents. And that his golfing and campaign rallies while serving in office will likely also be the most expensive in history.
Obama will get to keep the title for most expensive in the international travel category. I'm not one that is so glued to a position that I won't post links that provide evidence contrary to my stand, should I discover them.
This fourth of July celebration was for the country not just the president. Do you concede that point? Like I said before, if you're willing to spend billions on illegal aliens, you can spend money on a the United States 4th of July celebration. Why do illegal immigrants who are breaking the laws mean so much to Democrats? Why do legal immigrants who obey the laws and follow the process mean so little? I don't understand.
Considering that this president has a history of attacking those not lined up with his policies in most speeches he gives, it was a hard sell that he'd be able to stay on a message that celebrated the entirety of the country. To his credit, I believe he did actually stay on message for once, minus the whole airports gaffe.
As for your latest false accusation, it's not so much illegal immigrants that democrats support as it is a question about humanity. The real question is why do you not care that children are getting sick and dying? Why are you on board with using the suffering of children as a tactic to reducing people's desire to want to emigrate here? I find your stance disgusting.
And why do you continue to ignore the figures that contradict your accusation that under the last democratic president, the most amount of illegal immigrants were deported from this country in history. That dangerous illegal immigrants were targeted among that group to make America safer. Hardly seems like a party supporting illegal immigration. It's why you and so many of your ilk are confused by the way your party has framed the issue to meet your hate-filled world view.
There are issues in central america that are causing people to want to emigrate here. Getting Mexico to stop the flow across their country was a positive step. Streamlining the evaluation of asylum cases would be another one. Promoting suffering should not be the American way.
"The real question is why do you not care that children are getting sick and dying? Why are you on board with using the suffering of children as a tactic to reducing people's desire to want to emigrate here?"
You seem to ignore all of the American children who are suffering because you want to focus on those who are not American citizens. You care more for them than Americans who are homeless. Give illegal immigrants free college education and ignore all of the American citizens who have to pay for it. Put the illegals up in detention centers where they have a roof over their head and are fed and pay for nothing. Ignore all of the American homeless who live in the streets, can't afford to feed themselves etc. I find YOUR position disgusting. Put me down as someone who believes American citizens should come before illegal immigrants.
I know the immigration process. If they legally go through a port of entry, there is no problem. Should someone come here and not follow the process legally, they cause their own suffering. They always have a home to go back to if this isn't good enough for them. The children suffer because of their parents. Blame the parents, not the United States.
That's some funny stuff right there. Because you know which party cuts funding for social programs that support homeless American children? Yeah, that'd be your party also. So trying to take some fabricated high ground that your party actually cares for the homeless is a joke.
If you knew the immigration process, you'd know that child separation is not legal and yet continues to happen. You'd know that this administration was illegally separating children of those making legal asylum claims. That's not suffering caused by parents, but by a party that has become morally bankrupt, and by people like you trying to sell immigrants as less than human.
"If you knew the immigration process, you'd know that child separation is not legal and yet continues to happen. You'd know that this administration was illegally separating children of those making legal asylum claims. That's not suffering caused by parents, but by a party that has become morally bankrupt, and by people like you trying to sell immigrants as less than human."
The government has continued to separate families. According to immigrant advocates, children are being taken from their parents or the person hey crossed the border with. Based on convictions for crimes when last in our country or convictions of crimes in their own countries. Families are also being separated on the suspicion that an adult they arrived with is not really the parent or relative.
I am sure you are aware of trafficking children. It would seem very important to make sure any child is with a person that has their best interest. I would hope our government keeps up this policy, otherwise, we will openly invite children to be trafficked for lives of slavery and in some cases exploited for sex. In his case, it is prudent to separate these children until they are ID and vetted.
Val, this situation is just not as cut and dry as you seem to believe it is. Yes, no one wants children separated from their parents. But we want them to be protected, and yes sometimes that means taking them from a parent that is a criminal and sought to put them and put them in harm's way. Not all that cross our border are even being honest in their need for asylum. Some are criminals that come and go through the porous border and have spent time in our prisons for crimes or are wanted for a crime.
Is it true? Does Trump want to have tanks featured as part of the parade?
Yes. He also ordered the marching soldiers to goose step when they pass him.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 637384001/
Only a cretin like Trump tries to make July 4th all about him. What a pathetic individual!
If we need a way to cut the costs of US Citizens celebrating the 4th of July in their nation's capital, we can just shave off some money spent on illegal aliens.
“(2) estimates of the national net cost of illegal aliens vary greatly, ranging from $2 billion to $19 billion.”
If you have never been to a 4th of July celebration in Washington DC I recommend it.
Only liberals who have lost what little mind they have would think this is anything other the nation celebrating its independence.
Oh REALLY readmikenow? Those "Illegal Immigrants" you speak of apparently paid more in taxes than Clowny McTrump did for at least a 10 year period that we know of: Donald is a LOAFER, a lazy "Free Grazer" who immigrants supported for YEARS with their tax dollars, and The most prudent and effective way to SAVE Americans BILLIONS upon Billions of dollars is to praise immigrants which your family once was, and toss ole' Donny Boy out on his ears ASAP for his atrocities because consumers are paying more in taxes than we ever have in our HISTORY due to his INSANE Trade War Tariffs:
Jake, you often humor me.
Lets make a few things clear.
1. Every member of my family was or is a legal immigrant. We went through the entire process of filling out forms, paying money, sponsoring relatives, getting them jobs, paying money and waiting the necessary time before taking a citizenship test. More than once the forms were lost and we had to pay more money and once again fill out the forms. It only made us more determined.
2. Nobody from my family ever sought or received governmental financial assistance such as welfare, etc. My family and our community made certain it was not the case.
I don't have any respect for people who simply cross the border and expect the US taxpayer to take care of them.
I do praise immigrants such as my family. I am disgusted and repulsed by illegal immigrants. It's obvious YOU don't know the difference. People who have come here or have had family members come here legally and gone through the process know the difference all too well.
I always ask liberals who love illegal immigrants so much why don't they sponsor a family? I think it's because it's easier to come onto social media and say things rather than do things. I believe if it's not easy, it's not something a liberal will do. Filling out forms, posting a bond, going to court hearings as well as paying money, finding a job, not getting into trouble with the law. This is the path for legal immigrants. They shouldn't be confused with illegal immigrants.
Well readmikenow, let's a get a few things even clearer: I don't believe anyone, especially a Trump follower who says their relatives are documented without seeing documented proof of those statements:
Corporate America, the filthiest of the rich have been placed on "Corporate Welfare" by Clowny McTrump and his Communist Russian Loving Republicans in congress when they passed their INSANE tax cuts which gave TRILLIONS in "Free Stuff" to weirdo Steve Mnuchin and every other filthy rich dreg of society, so don't give me this typical CONservative "Welfare BS": Steve Mnuchin needs a few more mansions and we all get to pay for them: WONDERFUL:
BTW, Americans on welfare paid more in taxes than your cowardly hero Donald did for at least 9 or 10 years that we know of: He must be frightened to death for the public to see any more of his financial info:
I do believe Trump's voters are just as afraid as he is for his taxes to be scrutinized. Notice how they claim not to be interested as to what will be found. We'll see how they act when a future Dem POTUS tries the same thing. They'll squeal like little girls.
lol, Yup Randy, they sure "SQUEALED" like little girls when I legitimately questioned Donny's preference in romantic partners: WoW, it was like white nationalists on parade, in a little tizzy fit around here, they came rushing out of the woodwork to attack me for asking a very legitimate question: He said he fell in love with a man from another country, he said it on global television, I didn't say it he did, seriously, what does that indicate?:
Anyway, for at least 9 or 10 years that we know of, Donny apparently was flat broke according to his financial forms attained by the press and released to the public, and God only knows what other Mega Atomic BOMBSHELL"S lie within his undisclosed records: We'll' find out sooner or later I'm sure, probably after the trumps are kissing iron cell bars:
I just find it to be poetic justice, to think, every single hard working undocumented immigrant with a job of any kind here in the USA, made MORE money than Donny did for at least 9 or 10 years that we know of: UNREAL: And there are still a few rabid followers who CLING to this charlatan: WoW:
Jake, you still have not answered the question. Who will you blame for Trump winning four more years? Do you have someone or a particular country in mind?
How long did you and your family have to wait in the camps before you received your papers, Mike? Or is this another of your many, "Have a nice day" questions?
Guess what Randy? When you come here legally and have a sponsor, you don't have to wait in a camp. That experience is for individuals who don't follow the immigration laws of the United States, just come across the border and want the American tax payer to take care of them. There is a process in place for people who want to come here legally. You prove my point. You can come on here and display your ignorance about the difference between legal and illegal immigration, yet I doubt you will sponsor a single illegal immigrant so they wouldn't have to be in a camp. It's easier to come on here and talk rather than do something. Bless your heart!
"I don't have any respect for people who simply cross the border and expect the US taxpayer to take care of them . . . I am disgusted and repulsed by illegal immigrants."
And I don't have any respect for people who lie about illegal immigrants by implying they are lazy good-for-nothings. And if you think it's a case of "simply" crossing the border, I suggest you go to Honduras, and start walking back without enough money, food or water. Then tell me how simple you find the journey.
And what's disgusting and repulsive is your lack of the most basic level of empathy for other people. I don't care what you think about immigration as a political issue, there's no excuse for hating people because they want a better life. None.
You talk about your family history, and the fact your relatives escaped from danger in the Ukraine, and you were born a US citizen as a result. You know what that makes you Mike? Lucky. So cut the act of superiority.
Give or take a few decades and it could be you sitting in one of these modern day concentration camps, wondering where your children are and who is taking care of them. So show some basic decency for god's sake.
LOL According to your article any tanks will be on "static display", not a part of the parade. And there is nothing at all about goose stepping as they pass Trump.
Just more "faux news", then, made up on social media rather than the 6 o'clock news.
Anyone with half a brain sees the parade for what it is, a "Salute Me" celebration for the Cretin-In-Chief.
Spending millions which would be better used on the border facilities. No telling what the idiot will do next. His ego has no bounds....
I don't have to guess what, Mike. I already know. I knew you didn't have to spend any time in a camp, you probably had relatives already here as some of the migrants do. Did you flee with your family because you were threatened with death or was it a peaceful and easy transition? Eat a peach!
"Flee because you were threatened"...Yes, that would apply to many family members. It happened at a time when immigration to the United States was much more difficult that it is right now. Read about Holodomor to know what I am referencing. Then, there is also the relatives who dealt with life under the USSR. Yeah, death threats was part of it for many family members. So, it's not been easy. I didn't immigrate. I'm a second generation American citizen.
Here is a little bit about Holodomor. I learned of it through relatives who lived through it.
I hope they weren't treated like the migrants fleeing war conditions on the border.
I'm stunned you know nothing of Ellis Island. It is estimated that as much as 40 percent of American citizens have a distant relative who when through Ellis Island. You need to study some significant American history. War conditions? No idea what you are talking about.
I know all about Ellis Island, Mike. My family had already been here for several hundred years before it became a gateway to America for immigrants.
I still believe the words on the Statue of Liberty. give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses... Sounds a bit like those at the border who were actually born on our continent but are refused entry. I guess they don't have a sponsor...
lol. mike actually believes most immigrants came through Ellis Island? WoW:
I'd love to see Trump inside one of the camps with the smell of sweat, urine, and feces clogging his nose. He'd freak out!
Remember in an interview when Trump was describing a guy hitting his head and bleeding all over the white carpet? "It was disgusting...and he was ruining the expensive carpet."
What a humanitarian!
It's not me saying this, it's the researchers at History Magazine.
"it has been estimated that close to 40 percent of all current U.S. citizens can trace at least one of their ancestors to Ellis Island."
Facts are facts.
So did we stop taking in immigrants 65 years ago when Ellis Island closed down? And imagine the days when only 2% of immigrants were denied entry and deported from the United States. We sure have come a long way since then.
Your entire argument falls a part unless you grasp the concept between legal and illegal immigrants.
Legal immigrants come through an authorized port of entry into the United States. They fill out forms and then have an immigration hearing. During this time, I know this, there are many organizations to help them prepare for the immigration hearing. Legal immigrants fill out the forms, pay money, have sponsors, obey the laws, learn the language, wait their time with a green card, have jobs and then pass the citizenship test.
Many illegal immigrants come across the border where they feel like. They expect to be handed everything and taken care of on the US tax payer income. That or they have a job They have no respect for the United States, US immigration laws and expect handouts.
The left makes this possible since they have no respect for legal immigrants. They have no respect for those who obey the immigration laws. They have no respect for U.S. Citizens.
One respects the United States and its citizens, the illegal immigrants respect nothing, not even themselves.
See the difference?
What I see is your ignorance to the fact that under the left, as you call it, the most amount of illegal immigrants were deported, including the targeting of criminals. Border crossings decreased significantly because there were policies that targeted the root problems causing people to want to leave their own countries.
What I also see is your disgusting stereotyping of immigrants from the southern border. Your use of terms 'many' and speaking of the left as they are all the same is proof that you really don't have much of an understanding of either group that you claim to be an expert on.
As for your claim of 30% honesty, 101 families were referred by CBP for suspected fraud, and of those 29 were confirmed. But that's a bit misleading, as those were ones clearly suspected while there were 53,077 total family units. So picking out the obvious cases, and still only yielding a 30% figure, then applying the 30% to the entirety of the 53,000 isn't really an accurate statement by your right-wing allies at the dailymail tabloid. If you're relying on your data points from a British tabloid by the way, I seriously question your ability to formulate competent arguments.
'The Daily Mail has been widely criticised for its unreliability, as well as printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories...'
Randy, I just spoke with my cousin. We agreed our relatives were held in a migrant camp. It was called Ellis Island.
Here is something to think about. Many of these people coming across the border are not very honest.
"Rapid DNA testing reveals a THIRD of migrants faked family relationship with children to claim asylum during ICE pilot of the procedure in Texas
ICE ran the pilot for a few days this month in El Paso and McAllen, Texas
About 30% of migrants tested with rapid DNA were lying about familial relations
Migrants with children can claim asylum and avoid detention in most cases "
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … JqrtF_ar-8
Yes. If Trump has his way.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-p … nt-3306296
"As projected in Table S-10 in the FY 2020 budget, Trump plans to add $5.088 trillion to the debt in his first term. That's a 30 percent increase from the $20.245 trillion debt at the end of Obama's last budget for FY 2017. If he remains in office for a second term, he plans to add $9.1 trillion. Trump had promised to eliminate the debt during his campaign."
I think the writer rounded up...maybe a teleprompter issue akin to stating our Revolutionary War soldiers took over airports? I think most of us get the point.
That was hilarious! Shows what Trump really knows about the country's history. Not surprising in the least...
Damn, I almost made it. I played hooky from his speech hard sun, but I did hear him say something about teleprompter failure in a news segment today.
Now you have forced me to go find it and find out if it's a molehill or a mountain.
Here you go, Gus.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … spartanntp
Thanks Randy, CNN showed it to me as I was searching.
As long as I am back, and I would not have mentioed this if Pres. Trump didn't say he knew the speech very well, but . . . How did the army "... man the air?"
Wait, I might have to scratch that. I think I recall that the Army did have observation balloons, but I can't remember if that was during the Revolutionary or Civil war. Might have to give him a pass on that. Hmm . . .
Damn, I almost made it. I played hooky from his speech hard sun, but I did hear him say something about teleprompter failure in a news segment today.
Now you have forced me to go find it and find out if it's a molehill or a mountain.
Oh buggers . . .
"In June of 1775, the Continental Congress created a unified Army out of the Revolutionary Forces encamped around Boston and New York, and named after the great George Washington, commander in chief. The Continental Army suffered a bitter winter of Valley Forge, found glory across the waters of the Delaware and seized victory from Cornwallis of Yorktown.
"Our Army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rocket’s red glare it had nothing but victory. And when dawn came, their star-spangled banner waved defiant."
It was a molehill hard sun, a simple but hilarious flub, not an "edumucation" factor. However, he might make it into a mountain yet if he doesn't just admit it was a flub, (that is doubtful), and stop trying to justify it.
He said he "knew the speech very well," surely he isn't implying the speech spoke of airports?
As jackclee would say," I just want to help him, to offer advice, Mr. President, just say it was a flub and laugh it off." ;-)
We are now five hours ensconced in a hamlet the locals call Terminal 7. I fear if we don't break camp soon the men will grow restless. We have purchased provisions from a nearby chapel, which appears to be dedicated to a St. Arbucks. We are at the mercy of the weather, as the sky carriages cannot be harnessed in great snow. But do not be concerned, I am in great spirits. We shall quash these local rebels before Christmas, and I will return to you soon after.
With great affection,
Is this related to my next response about the Army "manning the air"?
If so you could have included a more identifiable Civil War reference and saved me a look around. ;-)
I guess I can't give him the slack I was tentatively offering.
It's funny no matter how you look at it. I can't watch an entire Trump speech, but I can get through small segments and read transcripts, lol.
Trump also confused the fort where Francis Scott Key penned the Star Spangled Banner with the Revolutionary War, but that wasn't as bad as the "airport" remark.
I was hoping you would post one of the many #unwanted Ivanka memes, Mike. Since you love these type of things.
Oh, please enlighten me, as only you can Randy, as to how this is an "Ivanka meme." I don't see the word Ivanka on it. So, how is this meme tied to Ivanka? Waiting.
I didn't say your meme was about Ivanka, Dude. I said I was "hoping" you'd post one of the many #unwanted Ivanka memes. Not that I really expected you too of course...
Guess I disappointed you. Sorry.
Is this what you meant?
That is a funny meme, Mike. Not as good as the #unwanted Ivanka memes though. I assume you couldn't find one...
Again I disappointed you. I am just not the meme man you believed me to be.
Not disappointed at all Mike. Completely predictable of you as usual.
I guess this is a good thing. I also find you completely predictable.
Cool, I suppose you expected this then.
https://www.funnyordie.com/politics/201 … ism-almost
Ah, they were really funny to me. I laughed. So, you are now the Georgia man of mystery and intrigue. Good one Randy...enjoyed it.
Is it now a requirement that you like the President in order to love your country? That doesn't sound very American. I don't like Trump but I love the flag and even the Betsy Ross flag.
For all of you on the left our there who decry the horrible conditions at the border YOU can now make a difference in the lives of the children you so often come onto HP and pour out your heart with sympathy.
Here is a link to the U.S. Immigration website where YOU can sponsor your own illegal immigrant and provide for them the American dream. My family has done this so I know all-too-well what is involved.
I'm sure all of you keyboard warriors on the left are willing to step out from in front of your computers screens and get Form I-864, Affidavit of Support, and begin the process. This is your opportunity to be more than words on the HP website. Yes, YOU on the left can now show your compassion in real life....if that isn't to scary for you.
"When you sign the affidavit of support, you accept legal responsibility for financially supporting the sponsored immigrant(s), generally until they become U.S. citizens or are credited with 40 quarters of work. Your obligation as a sponsor also ends if you or the individual sponsored dies or if the individual sponsored ceases to be a lawful permanent resident and departs the United States."
I can't wait to hear the heart-warming stories from those who complain about what is happening saying how they went to the southern border with the proper forms and took action. No need to thank me.
Waiting and waiting and waiting.......
Right after those on the right fill out the form to work for the Border Patrol. Let us know how the summer heat is down in New Mexico buddy.
I think you missed the point. I've never complained about the staffing of the border patrol. The left has complained about the treatment of children and families at the border detention centers. It is easier to complain than to do something about it. The left is well known for wanting others to do what they want so they do not have to get involved. It just shows a lack of courage and conviction and once again proves my point about liberals.
The left is not well know for wanting others to do what they want. As always, your ignorance to what the left wants is glaring. The left is well known for wanting the government to use its resources for humanitarian and environmental good. What your point proves is that the right expects the left to use their personal wealth for government programs, but that the right expects to keep as much of their own for themselves because they don't care about either.
I agree. Freedom from government dependence and bureaucracy is a trait of those on the right. It's what made people want to come here and start a life. People wanting dependence on the government are the ones who stayed in Europe and created tyrants such as Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tito and others. They trusted the government more than they trusted themselves. So, depending on yourself rather than the government to do things has always been more successful.
Guess what? There is no left or right distinction in the tax code. The government wastes too much money and is too inefficient to be trusted. Things need to be done by local citizens on a local level using money they choose to give and is not confiscated by the government. This works well and eliminates these issues from being made political issues.
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