The Effects of Conservatism on Children

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gmwilliamsposted 5 years ago

Does raising children conservatively do them a grave disservice in 21st century American culture & society? Do you believe that raising children conservative does irreparable damage & leaves them ill equipped to cope in the 21st century?
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Doubtful. The biggest thing conservatism has to offer is the concept of self reliance and responsibility. Some factions also offer the false security of religion, but at the same time millions of people are very happy with their religion - in that respect is it any worse than any other club or organization?
  
  It is true that they are unlikely to be trained in the vagaries of our welfare system and they will never have the skills to milk it for everything possible. Not sure that that is a "grave disservice" when self sufficiency is taught instead, though.
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  crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Self-reliance and responsibility is not conservatism. My parents raised me to value those things and neither was conservative, so in order to answer this question, a working definition of conservatism might be in order.
  
  To my knowledge, it is and always has been the maintenance of the status quo, so in that respect, raising a child to believe that the status quo is all-important would be a mistake.
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Of course it damages children, Grace. Just look at the previous comment.
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  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You must be kidding? You are, aren't you? Do you want to get me banned?
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  If you feel froggy.....
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  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I was raised by conservative parents. I was shown the importance of education as a path to a better lifestyle. I was raised with expectations that I could be anything a wanted to be if I put in the work to obtain my goals. I was given values/morals that I was taught to protect and use in everyday life. I was encouraged to use any given talent and share them with others when possible. I was encouraged to let common sense help in any form of decision making. I was exposed to religion and appreciated the great feeling of community it offered. My religion instilled a need to help others in need. When I became an adult I adopted the ideals of capitalizing, I am for small government, a government that does not dictated but stays out of my life.
  
  To answer your question, and I can only speak for myself in regards to being brought up by conservative parents. I feel my parents gave me all the tools I needed to have a very happy fulling life. I was well equipped to handle the 21 century. Not only handle it, but also enjoy the hell out of it and all it has to offer.
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  crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  With the exception of religion, this pretty much describes how I was raised, so this idea that conservatives and liberals raise their kids differently needs further explanation.
  
  The presumption here seems to be that liberals somehow raise their children to rely on government. I don't recall ever hearing such a statement.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't seem that you were raised by parents living off of welfare, while scheming how to get more and voting for anyone that proposed giving them more.
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  promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Raising children under either extreme in politics leaves them ill equipped to cope in the 21st century.
  
  Is it irreparable? No, but it's much harder to change. A child raised by drug addicts won't always become a drug addict.
  
  I think it's much better to raise children to think independently and objectively about the world instead of pounding biases and ideologies into them at an early age.
  
  Otherwise, they may turn out like Ann Coulter.
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  gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Children should be raised to think independently. However, most parents aren't evolved enough to train children to think for themselves. It is far easier for such parents to browbeat their children into their particular ideology. Parents want what is easy, not difficult. They are also aren't mature enough to realize that children have their own psychology. They want THEIR children to be LIKE THEM. Most parents are immature. There are only a minute percentage of parents who are mature & enlightened enough to nurture & cultivate their children's individuality.
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Live to Learnposted 5 years ago
I think raising them conservatively does them a favor. Young people tend to think more liberally, so giving them a conservative base helps them see the other side.

I think we've all seen the dangers of a liberal upbringing. Those kids are sorely incapable of dealing with diversity of opinion.
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  gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Continue the discussion. Have a Happy Independence Day!
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Can you give a few examples of the dangers of liberal upbringing? Since "we've all seen them" it should be no problem to list some.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You guys first. I didn't start the discussion. If you aren't going to support your argument, I am left to assume we are just shoving unsupported opinions around.
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You made the claim, LTL. Back it up with facts! You're not gonna weasel out of this one...
  
  I did support my argument. Do the same.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  LOL. If you call that supporting your argument then I'll do the same, in the same way.
  
  Of course it doesn't grace. Just look at wilderness' comment.
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  How does your response show the "dangers of liberal upbringing." You said "we've all seen the dangers."
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  How did your comment show anything?
  
  Seriously. You threw an opinion out, I threw an opinion out. You want substance? Supply it and I will reciprocate because, quite frankly, any time I have attempted to supply substance at your request i have never been given the courtesy of substance in response. Just barbs and insults.
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Yes indeed, you are full of....substance. I simply asked for examples of your claim, I understand if you cannot.
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  lobobrandonposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  If you've been on Reddit you've probably seen a few comments where people say user name checks out if a comment is related to the user name. Whenever I read a comment from Live to Learn I automatically say User name does not check out in my head.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  It's funny how any time my opinion is not in line with yours it confuses the heck out of you.
  
  Reasonable people can disagree and both be right. Reasonable people understand this. I realize it is an increasingly difficult concept for the liberal mind to grasp but it is true, nonetheless.
  
  Such disagreement need not result in thinly veiled insults.
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  lobobrandonposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  The point is you did not make an opinion this time, did you?
  
  Also, you very often seem to have opinions on facts. You cannot have opinions on facts.
  
  I am not confused by you, but I'm shocked when you argue that 1+1 equals 3.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Back up the accusation.
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  lobobrandonposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I've done it every single time. And this time you can go back to all the comments before my comment and you will see that you gave no real "opinion" or comment on the matter other than not backing up your comment and saying you would only if someone else backed up theirs.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  This entire thread was unsupported opinion. I wonder why you insult me for offering the same input as everyone else.
  
  I did see where pp offered a link. I offered a few back.
  
  You really seem to have a bee in your bonnet which makes your observations incredibly lacking of peripheral facts.
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  lobobrandonposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Because the others almost always support their claims whereas you almost never do. Timelines are not hard to comprehend. Your links were sent after my comment.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You aren't as important as you think. I read pp's comment and offered a reply.
  
  Move along and pointlessly harass someone else.
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  lobobrandonposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  That's what I keep thinking too. But you seem to think otherwise trying to prove that you live by your chosen username.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Your odd interest in me is, I guess, flattering. Albeit creepily bizarre.
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  lobobrandonposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I'm a dog person, not a fan of cats. Probably explains it. The other explanation could be that I'm intrigued by someone who claims something but seems to be living (at least on the internet) in a completely different way. Could also be both of the above.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Could be that you aren't capable of accepting that people come to different (and, each reasonable) conclusions, based on the same set of facts.
  
  Failure to develop the ability to see the other side is a growing problem.
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  lobobrandonposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Failure to analyze facts is an education problem. 1+1 never equals 3 unless you define mathematics differently.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You are the one assigning 3. That's your mistake.
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  lobobrandonposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, it's a mistake? It's just how some people analyze that fact. It's analogous to how you analyze some direct facts.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Okee dokee. Funny thing is we both think the other is proving our point.
  
  Ain't life grand?
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  lobobrandonposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  It is.
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PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago
There are plenty of studies out there. Conservatives believe it is important to instill faith and obedience in their children while liberals value tolerance and curiosity. They pretty much agree on responsibility.

More here:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865 … rding.html

https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyl … olumn.html
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I was raised in a very conservative family. Wonder what went wrong?
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I believe some people are born more open-minded and curious. My family is way more conservative and straight-laced than I am. I blame it on th books I devoured at a very young age. Great literature opened up my world.
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Same for me. Mom grew up during the depression and stated if she ever had enough money she would have lots of books. She kept her word by ordering all sorts of books for us at a very young age. I practically read the World Book Encyclopedia from A to Z.
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  gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I was also born very open-minded & curious. My family was also very conservative. My relatives called me hardheaded as a child because I wasn't blindly obedient(thank God). I went my own way. I also read a lot. My maternal family are crazy religious & submissive. My mother inherited this religiosity which she tried to instill in me. However, I rebelled against it & the other outmoded family paradigms. I am what one would describe as an independent individualist. Also, my being an only child further exacerbated this fierce individualism. I question everything. I refuse to go along on a certain party line. I am discerning.
  
  PrettyPanther, most parents inculcate/indoctrinate their children into their particular ideology. It takes a smart child to see this. Smart children rebel against their parents early & see the discrepancies in their parents' ideologies if it is backwards. Most parents only expose their children to their beliefs because they are quite fearful of their children thinking for themselves, particularly if such thoughts are counter to their particular ideology.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  There you go Randy. There is the smoking gun you wanted proof of.
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it shows no matter how kooky a conservative is, there's always a chance for them to have smart kids.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  LOL. Maybe so.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  https://www.politico.com/magazine/story … ink-215114
  
  http://www.aei.org/publication/liberals … se-minded/
  
  https://www.allsides.com/dictionary/narrow-minded
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  The articles you linked to have nothing to do with parenting, but okay.
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  lobobrandonposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Oops. The proof is not meant to be read.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  So sorry. I was pointing out that both philosophies are problematic. It doesn't matter who your parents were or what they thought.
  
  But, you are correct. This thread is about trying to bash conservatives and that was off point.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Huh? I interjected a few findings with supporting links. How is that conservative bashing?
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  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I must point out. I posted my comment in regard to how I was raised by conservative parents before you posted your two resource links. I read the two links and must say the information from the research pretty much is right on in my case. From what I read both conservative and liberal ideology had positives in regards to raising children. Maybe we need to take the good from both ideologies when parenting.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. I don't understand how she thinks I was bashing conservatives.
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  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I think sometimes the written comment can be taken out of context.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I think the premise of the thread is flawed. And, any research supporting or refuting such a premise is flawed because each would be an attempt to validate a hoped for outcome.
  
  I consider the thread an attempt to bash because any mature person isn't going to blame adult behavior on upbringing.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  "any mature person isn't going to blame adult behavior on upbringing."
  
  You've got to be kidding.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Do you blame your parents for your behavior?
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Not every behavior, but all of us unconsciously model or defy our parents behaviors and values. That's the major reason therapy exists, to help us identify the unhelpful patterns we picked up from mommy and daddy that are not working for us now.
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know about that. Trump's upbringing seems to explain a lot about him. Apparently he wasn't taught to tell the truth or apologize for anything he ever did wrong. Just a tiny example for you to consider...
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  That was some kind of toxic stew right there....{{{shudder}}}}
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know what Trump's upbringing was. Neither do you, really. You are taking personal bias against the individual and attempting to come up with an unsupportable conclusion.
  
  I realize many on the left believe all things they disagree with are inherently evil and should be stamped out at every level, and those things are the root cause of anything and everyone they abhor but I'm afraid nothing of substance supports that desire to believe, except the echo chambers found on the internet.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  "I realize many on the left believe all things they disagree with are inherently evil and should be stamped out at every level, and those things are the root cause of anything and everyone they abhor ...."
  
  Now, that's some fime, exaggerated, made up nonsense right there. So fine I laughed out loud. I disagree with my son that Star Wars movies are interesting. According to you, that means I think those movies "are inherently evil and should be stamped out at every level, and are the root cause of anything and everyone I abhor ."
  
  Wow, who knew? That's some dammed fine analysis. LOL.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Politics and entertainment are separate discussions. Are you saying they are the same?
  
  Explains a lot.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Um, you're the one who deemed a reality TV star as fit to be president, so perhaps you should be asking yourself that question.
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  DOH!
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