This secretive impeachment should concern liberals and conservatives

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   The Minstrelposted 5 years ago

   Running rough shod over the Constitution by making these impeachment inquiries secretive nd cherry picking what they leak will hurt our country in the long run. Having a liar like Adam Schiff run the proceedings already brings great disrepute to the House of Representatives. He is a complete disgrace to the office he holds. By their actions, the Democrats want to dismantle centuries of checks and balances in our republic. They are truly the traitors and should be held accountable by the people and the courts. They are not just hell bent on destroying Donald Trump. They are hell bent on destroying our country.

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      promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Are the Republicans who are on all three investigating committees also running rough shod over the Constitution?
      
      They must be, because they are willing participants in the process.

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         The Minstrelposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I guess the 30 Republicans that stormed the proceedings this mornng believe there is something wrong with the fact that they and the press cannot witness these meetings. What is Schiff trying to hide? By the mere fact that you support this farce is also very troubling. You seem very intelligent and understand what is right and wrong. However, I guess your disdain for Trump has clouded your sense of justice.

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            promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Please address my point about Republicans who are on those committees with Schiff. They are free to speak in public if they wish, so there is nothing to hide.
            
            But they know impeachment proceedings have closed doors because of classified information. It's the same as a secret grand jury proceeding.
            
            Otherwise, let's be realistic. Those storming Republicans were simply putting on a juvenile show for their constituents.
            
            Can you imagine them storming into a Supreme Court hearing if a Trump impeachment gets that far?
            
            You also seem intelligent. But I also think your regard for Trump has clouded your sense of justice.

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               The Minstrelposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Come on, dude. What classified information? It's all a sham to hide the proceedings and to prevent the public from seeing how stupid and corrupt their latest invented crime has become.Those cherry picked Republicans or closet rhinos won't go public with what is happening in those meetings. Well, I guess nothing of substance is happening because it's not going to the floor for a vote. It's all a sham to undermine the credibility of a legally elected president before the 2020 election. If it goes to the senate or the supreme court, it will be summarily dismissed. Whatever the case, promisem, I give you credit for being a loyal Democrat even though you know this recent dog and pony show will go down in flames. They must be desperate. His phone call doesn't even close to a high crime and misdemeanor. He was actually within his metron of authority to ask for this favor. Maybe that is why they asked Schiff to handle this because he is an expendable clown. His made up phone conversation between Trump and Zelensky really cemented his reputation as a complete buffoon.

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                  promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  If there is no classified information, why won't Trump release the full transcript to the public?
                  
                  Democrats don't pick Republicans for committees. Republicans do.
                  
                  I am not a "loyal Democrat". I voted Republican 100% of the time for most of my life until the party moved far right about 10 years ago. I'm now a right-of-center independent.
                  
                  If you don't believe me, just ask me where I stand on a specific policy issue, not a Trump issue.
                  
                  Opposing Trump doesn't automatically make someone a liberal or Democrat.
                  
                  If you truly want a civil and intelligent conversation about the issues, we can both drop the partisan rhetoric and tackle them one at a time.

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                     The Minstrelposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Okay. Do you think the president is being treated fairly in regards to this impeachment inquiry?

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                        Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Did you think the Republicans treated Hillary fairly during the Benghazi hearings? It's the same rules the Dems are using now. Blame the Cons for the rule changes in 2015. Or are you ignorant of the rules change under the Republicans control of the House at that time.  oooooh…...I think you are.

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                        promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Maybe the two of us can try to agree on what's fair and avoid partisan rhetoric.
                        
                        1. Is an impeachment inquiry legal? Yes, it's in the Constitution.
                        
                        2. Are Republicans on the committees, able to ask questions and speak to the public? Yes, they have been doing so.
                        
                        3. Should there be an impeachment inquiry? Yes, because the majority of the country wants one and we live in a representative democracy.
                        
                        4. Should the investigating committees meet behind closed doors? Yes, because there is classified information. They will make their non-classified evidence public when it's time for a vote.
                        
                        5. Should Trump be impeached now? No, because the inquiry isn't finished, a House vote hasn't taken place and a Senate trial hasn't taken place.
                        
                        For these reasons, I have to say the inquiry is fair.
                        
                        If you disagree with any of the above points or want to suggest questions about fairness, please feel free to do so.

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                           DoubleScorpionposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           I know that I am not part of this....But...I wanted to add my thoughts..
                           
                           Promisem wrote:
                           1. Is an impeachment inquiry legal? Yes, it's in the Constitution.
                           
                           2. Are Republicans on the committees, able to ask questions and speak to the public? Yes, they have been doing so.
                           
                           3. Should there be an impeachment inquiry? Yes, because the majority of the country wants one and we live in a representative democracy.
                           
                           4. Should the investigating committees meet behind closed doors? Yes, because there is classified information. They will make their non-classified evidence public when it's time for a vote.
                           
                           5. Should Trump be impeached now? No, because the inquiry isn't finished, a House vote hasn't taken place and a Senate trial hasn't taken place.
                           
                           
                           My thoughts on these five areas are this:
                           
                           1. Is an impeachment inquiry legal? Yes, it's in the Constitution.
                           I agree with this.
                           
                           2. Are Republicans on the committees (Yes kinda), able to ask questions (No) and speak to the public (Again not really, they are limited on what is allowed to be released)?
                           
                           
                           3. Should there be an impeachment inquiry? (No, not enough evidence for an inquiry) Yes, because the majority of the country wants one (This is debatable) and we live in a representative democracy (We live in a representative republic).
                           
                           4. Should the investigating committees meet behind closed doors? (No, questions that require a classified answer, can be passed to a private setting) Yes, because there is classified information. (A vote should have already happened)They will make their non-classified evidence public when it's time for a vote.
                           
                           5. Should Trump be impeached now? No, (No, because there isn't evidence as of yet to support an impeachment) because the inquiry isn't finished, a House vote hasn't taken place and a Senate trial hasn't taken place.
                           
                           If they wish to hold an inquiry, that is fine...but it should involve all parties and be as public as is feasibly possible...

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                              Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              It does involve all parties. And you're wrong again, committee Republicans can ask all the questions they need to. You apparently buy into the notion a POTUS an do no wrong while in office, correct? Asking a foreign power to investigate your political enemy, if he wants the already congressionally approved funds, is nothing but criminal.

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                                 DoubleScorpionposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 Why is it being reported and stated by the Republicans themselves that they are not allowed to ask questions and that they are censored on what they can talk about by Schiff...? So no, I am not wrong, I am just relaying what is being said by the Republicans themselves...and since it is all in secret, we don't know if they are lying or not...
                                 
                                 And No...I do believe a POTUS can do wrong in office...we have seen it before on many occasions.
                                 
                                 Trump asked for investigation into corruption from the 2016 election...which he is authorized to do...the alleged guilty parties just so happen to be mostly democrats...
                                 And so far, there is no evidence of quid pro quo as of yet....and it isn't looking like there will be any found...
                                 
                                 So far, all of the democrat POTUS runners are in competition with themselves...once the selection is made, then that person will become the opponent of Trump...
                                 The real question is this...If people are not or have not done anything wrong, then why all the concern about an investigation being conducted into the 2016 campaign? And why would anyone be concerned about "dirt" being found?
                                 This is just an ongoing attempt to get Trump on something...It has been almost three years and so far, they haven't found crap to actually do anything...but they keep trying...
                                 Just think of how much could have been done for the American people if those in congress would be working on things that bettered the American people and just wait the 4 years to vote Trump out, instead of just wasting all this time in just working to attempt to remove Trump from office (which isn't going to get past the Senate)…
                                 The only thing they are actually doing is building Trump a larger base and pretty much guaranteeing him to be re-elected...and killing their base and looking at losing their majority in the House..
                                 They better find something and soon and get the word out to the American people (cherry-picking isn't going to work anymore, the people want to see everything now)...or we are pretty much assured of a Second Term for Trump...

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                                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    They have more than enough to impeach this cretin, and in fact, they're trying to narrow the charges down so they don't have too much to handle correctly.
                                    
                                    You need to stop listening to Hannity's version of the facts.

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                                       DoubleScorpionposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       I don't listen to Hannity...Not even sure of who that is to be honest...
                                       
                                       I am speaking from what the actual politicians, both Dem and Rep, post on their twitter accounts...

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                                          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                          I don't read twitter accounts because they are mostly opinion. Except of course, when the cretin screws one up.

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                                             DoubleScorpionposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                             So congress members official accounts are opinion? I follow almost all of the members of Congress and Senate...and read much of what they post on their official accounts.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Who informs you what is going on behind doors, Dude? You have no clue but are acting as if you do. So, where's your info coming from, Hannity or Limbaugh?

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                     The Minstrelposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Where's your information coming from? CNN? MSNBC? CBS?

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                        Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        You deflected, but I don't want to be like you and will answer your query. All these and many more, including apparently your go-to sites and network. Notice network is singular.

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                           The Minstrelposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           Randy and Promisem,
                           Don't you think you are both deflecting from the truth that the whole impeachment inquiry is being conducted in a way that mirrors what they would do in the old Soviet Union? During the Nixon and Clinton impeachment inquiries and eventual vote, both parties worked together to carry out this solemn duty. Everything was open for the press to report on. Why the secrecy? Especially something as important as an impeachment of a president. Gingrich and the majority gave ample space for the Democrat minority to be a part of Clinton's impeachment investigation. The Dems are not doing the same with these impeachment proceedings. What's going on here? Your arguments are all deflective from this real problem: The ones in power rewriting how we should conduct an impeachment in order to favor their own party. This is dangerous for the nation as a whole.

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               Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               The ones on the committee have been speaking publicly. For some time. Horrified by the lack of protocol, politically motivated stunts, the refusal of Schiff to allow them access to materials and witnesses.
               
               You guys who blindly support this bizarre walk over the cliff by the democratic leadership obviously don't understand the problem, the stakes for our country, or the basic premise of law.

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      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      It is apparent the Dem's have broken no laws holding the inquiry behind closed doors. However, in my view, Adam Schiff has proven himself bias in regards to the president time after time and should not be conducting the procedure due to his bias. He is a proven liar, and yes it's very apparent he is leaking to promote his bias agenda. Although I would assume the many American people see he is pushing an agenda. He is  clearly politicking.
      
      I agree with your sentiment, the inquiry should be open. I feel this way due to the importance of this kind of procedure. Impeachment overturns the people's choice,  and could work to overturns a duly elected president. If this impeachment inquiry proceeds to an impeachment trial it will be public, and all that went on behind closed doors will be ultimately revealed. If it does not, one can assume there is no there there.
      
      I also must agree the Dem's are hell-bent and have been from before he won the election to destroy the president. It will be interesting to be able to see the Horowitz report and see the direction the Durum criminal investigation goes. It just may work to prove that the Dem's were and still are hell-bent on destroying the president.
      
      I have good faith in the end right will win over might.

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