Bernie just announced he was suspending his campaign for the Presidency. So, where does this leave the DNC? Will they start looking to pull in another candidate to make a run or will they just stick with Biden? It seems odd Bernie is stepping aside, he has such great support, as he did last time around. So, with all the hoopla that has been centered on Gov. Andrew Cuomo due to his handling of one of the biggest crises in New Yorks history the COVID19 outbreak, will the Dems tie their wagon to Cuomo?
I hope this thread will give Democrats a chance to share their views on their political party. I have noticed so many threads where Trump and all Trump is bandied about. Hopefully, we can discuss the Democratic party, and where it is headed due to Bernie dropping out. How will Bernies dropping out effect the next election?
Bernie Sanders was never going to be president. The DNC made that loud and clear in the 2016 elections honestly. As I told a coworker of mine once, the problem with Bernie Sanders is not only is he too much of a nice guy, but his main issue was that he never took in a lot of money from big corporations towards his campaigns like other politicians did; hence limiting his exposure in the media. I told him because of these facts, I doubt seriously Bernie Sanders will ever have a chance to win the presidency. It's a shame too because I honestly think Bernie Sanders would easily beat Donald Trump in a general election race between just the two of them but we'll never know.
Bernie Sanders is also getting older at this point, and it'll be amazing if he's even alive in 2024 to run again if he even wants to at all.
I think another possibility that Bernie could be dropping out might be due to the coronavirus and how in some states they won't allow voters do it by mail or electronically so maybe he's concerned about putting voters at risk? I know he hasn't come out and said that, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was part of his decision as that seems like something he'd do.
I don't know what's going to happen with the democratic primaries, but my prediction remains unchanged. Either Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden are going to get the nomination. My money is still on Biden. Not saying I want Biden to get it because I don't, but I'm just saying he seems like he's going to win it honestly.
If Bill Clinton's alleged crimes didn't stop Hillary from running for president, then i doubt seriously the allegations against Biden will prevent him from getting the nomination this year to run against Trump.
I'm very disappointed to see Bernie suspend his campaign at this point. I think he is the missed political opportunity of my lifetime. I haven't encountered any other presidential candidate less beholden to the ruling class or more concerned about the state of poor and working class Americans. I see Biden as not only complicit, but as an active architect of the most dangerous and vile things to afflict my generation. I find the entire "decent guy" aspect of Biden to be almost entirely a construct of media narrative. I'll take a step back and see how the coming days play out, but I will most likely exit from the Democratic Party and not take Bernie's advice if he suggests voting for Biden. That's where I draw the line.
Sad to see him go. He was the only authentic and honest candidate they had.
He certainly is authentic, a man that stands by his convictions. Not sure why he gave up his fight? If I were one of his supporters, I was a Dem, I would have tons of questions. Not to mention concerns. My Number one question, where do we go from here? My second question, can Biden beat Trump?
If Biden beats Trump I will have to accept that democrats are power hungry with no interest in anything other than power for power's sake. Biden isn't fit to lead a kindergarten nursery rhyme time. Much less a country.
As an outsider, I never saw much difference between the democratic presidents and the republican ones. They all came from the same elite class.
The Bush family, The Clinton Fam. The Kennedys, The Trumps. Obama was perhaps an exception. (please correct me if I'm wrong with this assumption that most presidents came from the elite class..)
Bernie was an exception too, he wasn't born into an elite family.
I don't trust members of elite families in general, certainly not when they get powerful positions. 99% of the time they rule to keep the working class and the elite class as separate as possible. This is so done over the ages. Nothing new.
The American dream that everybody can become a president looks like a hoax to me. The only thing you need to become a president is money, Lots of it. A poor man will never ever be a president. So what you get is not the best person for the job but the person who has spent the most money in the right places.
Just as passing IQ tests doesn't mean that you are clever, You're just good at passing IQ tests.
To bad Berny is gone. As he was genuinely concerned about American society as a whole.
We'll see how things develop.
Biden grew up in a working class family. He is known for his ability to relate to the working class. But, yes, he is now worth a few million dollars.
I could be wrong, but I dont think Clinton was from an elite family.
It's funny you bring up iq tests. They keep claiming the presidents have high iq's. I think that's bs. I'd like to see the test results myself.
Peter, if you don't think there are differences between the Bushes, Clintons, and Trumps, look no further than the Supreme Court. Regardless of one's political persuasion, that tells the ideological differences.
Bush 41 - Thomas
Bush 42 - Roberts and Alito
Trump - Gorsuch and Kavanaugh
Still think there is no difference? There are very clear differences between the parties, they are not hard to see.
Anyone from the Left will be better than Donnie. The lesser of two weevils.
We are not far apart on our thinking. I had the same feelings last time around.
Randy, what about my questions. I would like your view.
Will they start looking to pull in another candidate to make a run or will they just stick with Biden?
How will Bernies dropping out affect our next election?
Biden is fine for the job, Shar. After all, he's tons more experience and integrity than the conman now in the WH. I don't how Bernies dropping out will affect the election.
Thanks for answering my questions. I appreciate it. Do you think anyone else will step up and run as a dem this late in the game?
No, Biden will choose a running mate--he says a female--and that will be that. Probably Clobachar...
I like Amy... So, now I know what you think about Biden going the course. But, I have also learned a little bit about your thought process. Do I detect you go with the obvious?
I don't know, Shar. Is that what you did when you voted for Trump?
You may have taken my comment wrong. I was trying to say (How do I say this?) What I got from your answer was you assume at this point it is obvious that Biden will be the candidate, and you are not willing to predict anything other than that. Hopefully, I explained what I meant. My initial thought was to tell you to thank you and tell you I have a better understanding of your thought process.
Now, to answer your question, yes that is why I voted for Trump. It became obvious to me that I did not like either for different reasons and was not going to sit it out. I decided to go with the agenda Trump offered.
Then you should understand my point, Shar. We all choose the lesser of two evils, and to me, it's Biden. No Problem with your comment.
I do understand your point. And yes, we do all have to make decisions throughout life and choose the lesser of two evils. my main purpose for posting this thread was to get a view of those that are Democrats in regards to the upcoming 2020 election. I am hoping to hear opinions, and get an idea of what others are thinking in the Dem party. Just looking for the other side's views.
Concern trolling at its finest.
Bernie dropped out because he did the math and it was virtually impossible for him to earn enough delegates to win the nomination.
Biden is already retooling some of his policies to incorporate some of Bernie's ideas.
Watch for Obana to now become more visible in the campaign and it will make a huge difference.
No not concerned at all, just interested in what Dems are thinking about now that Bernie has dropped out.
And yes, Joe is already "retooling " as you call it. As he did when he was on the Obama ticket. Bernie was not a man that went with whatever way the wind blew.
I don't think that Obama will support Biden. In my view, Obama does not go the direction of the wind. He seems very principled, and in that respect, he is much like Bernie.
Thanks for answering the questions.
Odd that you think Obama would not support his former VP.
Not really. You may be a Democrat but it is an American election coming up. I have no say in your primary since I'm an independent. And a registered Republican has no say in your primary. However, interest in the outcome is not 'concerned trolling'.
I want an option. Not some bs old man who can't remember where he is, why he is there or what he said 2 days ago.
I may not have control over your process but your process directly affects my choices, or lack there of. You appear to be rushing around demanding that any who have an interest have no right to it.
So, my comment made more sense.
"I want an option. Not some bs old man who can't remember where he is, why he is there or what he said 2 days ago."
Do you prefer a bs old man who makes a statement and then denies it a few days later? BWAHAHAHA!
Lol. If Biden gets in that will suit you, I'm sure. He won't be in charge and the faceless behind the scenes puppeteers won't be held accountable.
Wow, I said all that? Where?
Concern trolling is the act of expressing "concern" about the other side when really all you're doing is denigrating it.
You have a right to an opinion on everything, as do I or anyone. My evaluating your opinion is just another opinion. I don't know how you decided I think you have no right to an interest
No one is denigrating the other side.
Well, maybe I do when I express dismay that Biden may be who you guys throw out there at us. I didn't see an option in the last election and am just very disappointed the democrats have decided to create a do over.
I actually feel sorry for you guys on some levels. I'd explain but I'm certain you'd view that as another attempt to denigrate.
Edit. But I do see your comments as more trollish. You jump in with a snide remark pretty much everywhere anyone is attempting to create a rational discussion on the subject. I don't see any attempt on your part at civil discourse.
You express concern that Biden is smile, unfit, etc. That seems like denigrating to me,
You don't need to feel sorry for us for offering an analysis of what you are doing. Perhaps if you answered the question I posed in another comment, it would mitigate my analysis . How, exactly, could another candidate win the nomination?
I assume you will refrain from wild or extremely unlikely scenarios, but offer a legitimate answer.
To be honest, I'm still trying to understand why there isn't open revolt among the democrats. So much of the primary process was obviously manipulated to herd you all in a particular direction. And let's be honest. For 3 years now the left has all been throwing out examples of why Trump is unfit but if the left believed those examples then the party would deem Biden unfit.
You have a powder keg and a less than 50-50 chance of Biden making it to the election in tact, even with the mainstream media riding shotgun by never asking hard hitting questions.
Is distaste for Trump so overpowering that anything, even the prospect of the office of the president being run by committee, better? Because Biden will not be a president by any traditional understanding if he somehow miraculously gets elected.
"So much of the primary process was obviously manipulated to herd you all in a particular direction." Evidence, please?
"Because Biden will not be a president by any traditional understanding if he somehow miraculously gets elected." How so? Evidence, please?
And you didn't answer my question. How will another candidate besides Biden be selected?
And it's also up to the Right to choose a replacement for Trump, correct?
Going up against an incumbent is hard enough for the opposing party. It's almost never done in the party in power. Although I'm surprised someone didn't do it.
Someone did but the GOP cancelled the primaries. Where was your concern then? I'm.surprised you weren't aware.
https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/a … cellations
Don't need to read the article. Already aware of it. I understand why the GOP. I don't see that as herding their base anymore than I thought the DNC herded their base when Obama ran for his second term.
Already aware of it? Then why did you say "Going up against an incumbent is hard enough for the opposing party. It's almost never done in the party in power. Although I'm surprised someone didn't do it."
Me too! It seems like a perfect opportunity for someone with integrity to challenge the conman.
Integrity is relative, but Joe Walsh tried to give it a go against Trump (didn't get much traction):
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/07/poli … index.html
You don't seem to be be satisfied with anyone on the Left's comments and questions, Denise. So what else is new?
"I don't see any attempt on your part at civil discourse."
My very first comment included one other sentence plus all of this:
"Bernie dropped out because he did the math and it was virtually impossible for him to earn enough delegates to win the nomination.
Biden is already retooling some of his policies to incorporate some of Bernie's ideas.
Watch for Obana to now become more visible in the campaign and it will make a huge difference."
You chose to ignore all that and respond to the one sentence.
I must admit I continue to be perplexed about this notion y'all have that somehow someone besides Biden could be the Democratic nominee. Could you please explain exactly how you think that could happen?
I will jump in and try to answer your question -- " Could you please explain exactly how you think that could happen?"
It naturally will be necessary to use a "what If ". It is obvious that that the Democratic party has made beating Trump number one on their agenda. There can be no argument in that regard. Here comes the what if... What if the party after much deliberation come to the realization Biden will not be able to beat Trump. They could take a chance to put in a candidate that would have a better chance of beating Trump. They could legally have a brokered convention.
"In United States politics, a brokered convention (sometimes referred to as an open convention and closely related to a contested convention) can occur during a presidential election when a political party fails to choose a nominee on the first round of delegate voting at the party's nominating convention."
At one point on another thread, you stated you would not vote for Biden and would write in Warren. I believe you also made your feelings clear you would be against going against the people's vote and brokering a candidate. What if the DNC brokered candidate you felt you could vote for, would you perhaps feel differently in regard to a brokered convention?
I don't think it's up to the DNC. Isn't it up to the delegates? I'm afraid I have almost no knowledge about how it would work, but if it involves the DNC subverting the will of the voters then, no, I would not favor it.
Yes, it is up to the delegates. I phrased it wrong. What could happen, a "what if".
Biden could be replaced with someone else by the DNC. Let's use Andrew Cuomo as aaa possible candidate. Ahead of the convention, or possibly at the convention itself. This could be accomplished. What could be done Biden could be asked to drop out and free his delegates, then the DNC would endorse another candidate as his chosen replacement, and request the delegates to support their choice.
Sharlee, it doesn’t matter two hoots who runs against Trump and the Democrats know it!
They know Biden will lose and any Democrat who would like to be president knows they can’t beat Trump, that’s why they got behind Biden - they know he can’t win but they don’t want to be the one who loses.
Someone has to run for the Democrats and so far the only two popular candidates are a senile old man and a socialist? Now the socialist is out and no one wants to replace him, he wasn’t even a Democrat!
Really, if that party, after all they’ve tried and failed at getting rid of Trump, isn’t a pathetic bunch of charlatans trying in desperation to just be relevant I don’t know what is. They have no one in the whole US with the hunger and charisma to be president right now because they all know NO ONE can beat him, and the worst thing they can’t overcome is that even Trump’s supporters wish he was more congenial. How demoralizing can it be that the Democrats can’t find anyone who is better liked than Trump which all his shortcomings!
This might be our next president? I don’t think so.
I hardly think that Trump would emerge the winner of a contest over which old white male presidential candidate is most articulate.
Do you really think Biden is more articulate? Biden seems to be a poor speaker, he visibly shows confusion when answering questions or reading a speech. And is that enough to ditch a President that has done a pretty good job in his first four years? Is having a president that is more articulate more important than job performance?
You see Trump differently than I do. Do you actually watch and listen to him? My husband tunes into "The Trump Show" (as he calls it) every day so I hear the way his story changes from day to day, contradicting himself and his own experts, bragging about results that others achieve, abdicating responsibility for his failures, blaming front line workers daily risking their lives. The man is a disgrace.
I am not sure of how you perceive I see Trump. I have never defended Trump's personality or any of his what appears to narcissistic comments. I have criticized him when I felt he was wrong. I have defended him when I felt he was right or I agreed with his opinion. In regards to the present day to day, contradictions. I can see this crisis is everchanging from day today. It would almost be odd if any on the task force did not contradict themselves. It is clear the two Doc's have contributed themselves due to giving model projections. This has come about due to changing unknowns. Trump has much the same problems occurring. I don't expect him to be proficient when it comes to medical science. I am giving him some slack just due to the scope of the crisis. I once again am looking at his job performance. In the end, this is what will get us through this kind of crisis. His words, in the end, mean little. He could be the perfect speaker, the perfect comforter. However, in the end, if he could not problem solve would consider him a failure.
It has been clear from day one, he was a person that was unfiltered gave his opinion freely. This has not changed, and I would venture to say it will not.
I have not heard him blame any of the people on the frontlines, in fact, I feel he is constantly pointing out to every one of the Press in the room how grateful he is to the frontline workers as well as all theatre out there serving the public. In fact, he at some points ripped the media new ones when he that they appear not to be grateful for all on the frontlines.
Ye, he has daily pointed out he feels he is doing a good job. Did you ever think how discussed he may be with how the media attacks everything he does, every word he said?
My God as he speaks at the press conferences CNN is on-air fact-checking him for a slip up in even quoting a number... I will continue to defend the president when I see an injustice. As you have the right to your feelings he is a disgrace. I feel he is handling this crisis well. I will also say I am glad he's in the office. I feel otherwise this virus would have been handled by ignoring it. And let's face it if he did that he would have been crucified just as he is for doing a wonderful job. You can dislike the man, but not sure how you can deny he is doing a very good job of handling this crisis. But, we do all have a right to our opinions. I must say I in no way understand in the case of how Trump is handling the virus crisis you came up with the opinion you seem to have.
Trump inherited a growing economy, unlike what Obama and Joe had to deal with. Trump's daily scandals and lies seem not affect those who support him.
Not to mention his childish behavior, such as name calling and insulting anyone who disagrees with him. He's a role model for the Right, no doubt.
I miss the days of "No drama Obama."
What keeps me scratching my head is why the Dems instead of all the chasing their tails trying to get Trump for one thing or another, did not just spend the time finding a perfect candidate to run against Trump?
It seemed they at some juncture should have realized they needed to do just that. But, instead, they have ended up with in my view a real poor candidate in regards to being able to beat Trump. I have come to conclusion it's not the party it's the people in the party that have gotten them in this predicament. The party has become so split at this point it is obvious to the leadership. They do know they will once again be beaten and will remain on the path to beat Trump into the ground, in hopes of at some point getting the party back on one track over the next four years.
Or --- They might do something that shocks us all and broker in a new candidate. I feel they just might. And they have a good one in Cuomo.
"Biden could be replaced with someone else by the DNC." I thought you said it was up to the delegates?
I was referring to a scenario if Biden dropped out.
If Biden would drop out I am not sure of who chooses someone to step in a candidate. I would think it would be the DNC to put up a candidate for the delegates to consider and vote on.
Okay. That's the first I've seen you mention Biden dropping out, but okay.
Actually I did interject the possibility Biden dropping out. You may have missed it.
Sharlee ---"Yes, it is up to the delegates. I phrased it wrong. What could happen, a "what if".
Biden could be replaced with someone else by the DNC. Let's use Andrew Cuomo as aaa possible candidate. Ahead of the convention, or possibly at the convention itself. This could be accomplished. What could be done Biden could be asked to drop out and free his delegates, then the DNC would endorse another candidate as his chosen replacement, and request the delegates to support their choice."
Cuomo would be a great candidate. The Democrats could definitely win in NY!
Hey, you won't get any argument from me... LOL, I am a Republican, I have been saying just that. He would give Trump a real fight. They could be brothers by another mother.LOL, He is a polished politician and has tons of common sense. He also has a likable personality. But, he is no liberal, and no puppet the party could lead around to do their bidding.
But, he could win. I would think many independence would vote for him, it would seem they may just well be looking for anyone else but Trump or Biden.
I could not have laughed any louder. Goodbye, you dirty Bolshevik.
I decided to read for myself if there could even be a possibility of a brokered Denocratic convention, as some Trumpers seem to think it is a real possibility. After reading about it, I think not. Biden will win most, if not all, of the remaining primaries and have plenty of delegate votes to win the first round of voting.
"A brokered convention occurs when a party's nominee is not selected by a majority in the first round of delegate voting at the party's nominating convention. Most delegates are then permitted to vote for whichever candidate they choose, allowing for input from party leadership and political maneuvering. Additional votes are taken until a majority is reached. For this reason, brokered conventions are also known as multiple ballot or multi-ballot conventions.
The term brokered convention is sometimes used interchangeably with contested convention. The latter refers to a nominating convention that opens without one candidate having captured a majority of delegates. A contested convention may be resolved on the first ballot once uncommitted delegates are factored in."
Y'all will have to come up with another way to express your concern about us poor Democrats having no choice but to vote for an old, senile white man.
Of course, everyone has choices and no one is forced to vote for a particular candidate.
Bernie has shot his bolt and its all over. I somehow knew his socialist policies would be his downfall. Now that he is out, the field is clear for Joe Biden but it's going to be tough for him to beat Trump. Let's wait and see. Lastly, some revelations of his conduct a few years back if true will be his karma and he may have to pay a price for it.
It's past time for a female president . I bet we can find one who hasn't assaulted or harassed women.
Of course, there are plenty of men who haven't done that, either, if only we could get more people to stop voting for and defending sexist old men.
There's literally nothing more delicious for me than seeing the antifa crowd eat it. OMG LOL - what on earth did those people expect from a Bolshevik?
Why did the US reject virus testing kits from WHO?
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p … -who-test/
Now, Randy, does it really matter? Daddy Trump always does what's best for his people. I'm sure he had legitimate reasons and we should trust his judgment .
Listened to Rush this morning. This creep reflects the thinking of some on the Right about reopening the country. I hope they don't open it too early for everyone's sake.
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