I've read several comments to the effect of "Why doesn't Obama endorse his former VP?" So now he has done so, with Bernie giving his blessing as well.
Your two cents worth?
Mr. Biden is very old. He has a limited time in the world now. We need younger people to become the President. I like Tulsi Gabbard!
I look for Biden to only serve one term, Sairay. It'll be interesting to see which lady he'll choose for his VP running mate.
Why only one term? If Biden hypothetically did become president, why would he not want to be reelected? Or do you mean that he would lose in the 2024 election to a republican candidate during his reelection campaign?
Well, Joe has already served his country a long time, Steve. He wants to go out like a veteran, not a dupe. Just my opinion...
And you're saying he would if he decided he wanted to be reelected? Does that also mean you think any president that runs for reelection after serving in office for one term is automatically a dupe if he ends up serving a full 8 years instead of just four? And if that's the case, are you saying both Bill Clinton and Barrack Hussein Obama were dupes?
Not at all, Steve. It's up to Joe to decide. Far be it from me to make the decision for him. I'm simply hoping he doesn't become another Ronald Reagan with Jill making the real decisions.
But then, what do I really know about Joe?
Fair enough. I was just curious. thanks for answering.
I personally think Biden should just go with the best qualified for the job; regardless of the VP's race, gender, sexuality and religious preferences, but that's just me. Hope he finds a good running mate if he gets the nomination which it seems like he will for sure now.
I don't think age should play a factor at all when it comes to politics. Rather who's the best fit and best qualified; regardless of whatever their age, race, gender, religion or sexuality is.
It probably isn't worth 2 cents, but let's face it,do either of them really have a choice at this point? Obama is an astute man that understands that 2009 is not 2020 and that the party and its politics have changed during that time with other candidates perhaps being more appropriate now, over Joe.
I just hope that Joe sees the big picture and selects an appropriate VP as running mate.
Thats a relief, I was concerned about it.
I doubt that matters to anyone that was going to vote for the possible pedophile, potential rapist, senile, corrupt DC hack.
And I doubt that matters to anyone that has already rejected him, for the various reasons noted above, or because they believe Trump to be doing a good enough job.
For what it is worth, I hope they stick with Biden, he loses in an epic landslide to Trump, and then hopefully we get some real change in the Democratic party with some younger people with better ideas than the likes Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer.
Its a statement about where the Democratic Party is... that they are presenting such a decrepit cronie like Biden as their nominee.
That "decrepit cronie" is only four years older than that incompetent, mentally ill, loser Trump. And Trump brags about assaulting women, so there is zero doubt that he is a sexual predator.
You're sounding really lame lately. Why don't Trumpers argue for Trump on his merits instead of merely listing Biden's character flaws, which are minuscule compared to Trump. After all, he has made America great again, hasn't he?
Because they know how corrupt Trump already is and are terrified of Biden being the nominee. It's a hoot they accuse Biden of something Trump is already well known for.
Its just wonderful that you are so rooted in your beliefs and ideals you are willing to vote in a guy who likes to feel up women, sniff little girls, ensure family members get billions from the likes of China, and is obviously senile. ... To get rid of someone you are convinced likes to feel up women, ensure family members get billions, and you feel is incompetent.
That is just so inspiring, I love to see people so determined to not settle, to fight for what and who they believe in!
For the sixth(?) time, I am not voting for either Biden or Trump. I made a pact with myself, after watching otherwise decent people twist themselves into knots to defend that lying POS Trump, that I would only cast votes for candidates I feel good about.
All that said, I believe Biden is a far better choice to lead us than Trump and will not hesitate to say so.
It should be funny but it's actually truly sad to see Trump defenders trying to say Biden's character is unacceptable. You all set the bar so low that there will likely never be a candidate whose character you can criticize without sounding absolutely ridiculous. This is the nasty bed you all made for yourselves. Have fun trying to pretend you suddenly care about character because only other self- deluded Trumpers will buy it. The rest of us will just laugh. Or shake our heads in pity and disbelief.
"I am not voting for either Biden or Trump"
You aren't the only one! I'm currently looking at Howie Hawkins and the Green Party and watching to see if Justin Amash makes an official run:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … r-BB12BLWa
I'm going to write in Elizabeth Warren, unless she's the VP candidate, then I will have to figure it out.
I'm going to be honest and say I have the luxury of knowing that my not voting for Biden will not affect the outcome, as I live in Oregon, which is a blue state without question.
A write-in is another option to think about. If I do a write-in, it would be Bernie. After his endorsement of Biden, I feel less inclined to go that route though. I don't expect a Green Party or independent win, but if either were to get a record amount of support, it would send a message to the duopoly (and secure funding for a 3rd party).
That is fair, except I never saw anyone come up with pictures of Trump groping and sniffing young girls.
Trump never got out on the campaign and talked about how great it was to have kids sit in his lap, or run their hands up his legs.
Trump never stumbled over his words in what is clearly the onset of dementia, senility, or clear lack of faculties.
And Trump never used his position as VP to have 1.5 Billion funneled into his son's Investment firm from the Chinese.
Trump may be crass, a crook, a braggart and overall a dislikable person.
But I never saw anything hinting at his being a pedophile... which to me is the most sick and vile of people, nothing comes a close second, but that's my thing.
And no matter what Trump may be... senile is not one of the things you can label him with.
If I hated everything Trump stood for... the Democrats are nominating perhaps the only political figure out there, that is more loathsome and more incompetent than even Trump.
Suggesting otherwise is a denial of truth and reality.
*APPLAUSE APPLAUSE* My thoughts exactly - although I am actually going to vote for Biden just to do my part to make sure Trump gets ousted. People taking the moral high ground and NOT voting - is part of how we got Trump in office last election. If you want anything to change, its a really good idea to vote, no matter what. (In fact, in some social circles - not voting IS considered to be an anti-moral act for that very reason.)
When was the last time you felt completely good about any political candidate? They all have something wrong with them - as do each of us - cuz we're all human. Its just a matter of degrees.
I would ask anyone who feels this way to please reconsider. Don't think of it as a vote 'for Biden' - think of it more as a vote against Trump. That's certainly what it is for me. Biden wasn't my first choice, either.
There are more elections ahead to get pickier about politicians. For now, we need the mediocre, wishy-washy guy with the less questionable (and divisive!) character to win before we can move forward as a WHOLE country anytime soon. (I know its a dream, that has never really happened before... maybe John Lennon's 'Imagine' should be playing in the background as you read this, ha!)
The question remains, will it be enough to win with a mediocre, wishy-washy candidate having considerably less than a sterling character but is somewhat better than his opponent?
Well, it certainly won't be if people like you who keep insisting that this country needs to change RIGHT NOW on a dime - or they aren't going to vote - keep clinging to their precious perspective.
You're a smart man, I'm pretty sure you are capable of understanding the perspective of my argument. The fact that you refuse to give it any 'credence' (heh) and refuse to accept that 'we the people' are not ready for a potus like Elizabeth or Bernie yet - especially RIGHT on the heels of Trump and his army of right-wing extremist jerks - then that is your prerogative.
Those of us who can see why Biden works for more people - along with WHY that is so important right now - are looking at the larger picture and into the future. Change is a slow thing to happen, especially with so many twisted, archaic ideals still to be realized and unwound.
Yes, it is people like me that insist that the ball be kept moving down the court and will not accept endless excuses as to why needed changes are endlessly delayed.
And, you know what, me and people like me are still here. "Right now" seems to be a concept that is always in a state of indefinite postponement. That may work for you, but not me. Patience is fine when you have no skin in the game regardless of whether change comes or not.
I have been around long enough and am a smart enough guy to know how the system works, thanks....
I still say that Biden has enough deficits to allow him to be vulnerable under the coming Trump onslaught and you can bet that it will be fierce.
I see the perspective of your argument and give it credence, but I don't agree with it. I say that just not being Trump is not good enough, people need something to vote FOR. You mark my words, against the Trump propaganda machine, if our candidate has too many flaws, we would be lucky to win. And, remember, you heard it here first. I will remind
you of this conversation next November to see which analysis was the correct one.
One of us will have to "eat crow", but I promise to provide all the necessary condiments to make it palatable for you.
Your view may well prove to be myopic in nature. But as far as the outcome, we both want the same thing ultimately.
Look at Ken. Because of the particular news he digests, he apparently has no idea of the extent of allegations of sexual misconduct by Trump, yet is thoroughly outraged over Biden, whose allegations are fewer and less serious. Many people on the right live in a bubble where Trump's fallacies are never mentioned while any who oppose him are relentlessly, and often falsely, smeared.
Ken tells me that our sources of news are tainted, can I really be sure his sources are not?
As bad as Biden may be, he never went around boasting about his sexual prowess and exploits. Trump has and has never apologized, has no remorse nor the ability to serious reflect on the things he says or does. I find those qualities far less palatable in a leader.
Trying to consider the foibles of Biden at the same level as Trump is just another Jedi mind trick. They make this false equivalency to show female electorate that it may not be advantageous to vote for the Democrats and Biden. Even though the GOP goal is to render the female gender as powerless as possible in reproductive rights, equal treatment on the job, etc. they all will be "blinded" by Biden's deportment instead.
Its a matter of taking it all in context Credence.
A man, especially one from a generation before my own, bragging about his 'conquests' or how he likes women, etc. while vulgar or crude is not a big deal to me... sorry I don't give a crap about the PC world of the Left, I have no use for it .
You should know my priorities by now, economics, opportunity for children (the next generation), preserving liberties for all American citizens, National Security, in that order.
Biden will reverse course of the Nation, Biden will signal the Corporations and foreign influence (China) has control, the positive economic gains Americans have seen the past few years will reverse trend... (yes I know they are being wiped out now by the pandemic, not the same thing as because of terrible trade deals and corruption)
Trade agreements will be rewritten, new agreements with International bodies will be made, taxes will be raised, and both the poor and middle class will be the worse for it.
Biden is not what the Democratic Party could be... he is not Gabbard or Yang, he is not Warren or Sanders... he is what was, he is the worst of the establishment, he is Schumer and Pelosi, he is not Klobuchar or Jeffries.
Its that simple... the new ideas and new faces will not take control of the Democratic Party if Biden wins... it will be Schumer, Pelosi and Biden.
Yes, that is far worse than Trump in my book. That is keeping the filth in control of DC rather than washing it away.
" I say that just not being Trump is not good enough, people need something to vote FOR."
Again . . ."something to vote FOR"
and again . . ."something to vote FOR"
When we do agree, it is usually on the basics. And on this statement, I enthusiastically agree.
There might be hope for you yet, ;-)
But what IS the reality?
GOP Voters: We want tax cuts, jobs, and a wall !!!
GOP politicians/Trump: fight for tax cuts, jobs, and a wall
Progressive Voters: We want Healthcare for all, No Abortion ban, Clean Air, Water, Power regulations, Equal Rights
Democrat politicians: We will try to Impeach Trump no matter how many times it takes, we will maybe lower medicare to age 60, and refund the ACA, we will add new taxes to plane and power companies for their carbon footprint (and they will pass those expenses to you).
There is a major disconnect, the Dems are not serving the people right now, they are serving themselves, and the corporations and foreign nations they are beholden to.
If you want to fix the country... first you have to start with fixing the Democratic Party. So long as you support the corrupt cronies, so long as you give them power, nothing good will come from it.
"So long as you support the corrupt cronies, so long as you give them power, nothing good will come from it."
If you cannot recognize a corrupt crony like Donald Trump has always been, then what right do you have casting aspersions on those who can, Ken? Think about it...
Trump has thousands of suits filed against him for non-payment of contracted items. He went belly-up running two casinos which is almost impossible for goodness sakes.
He's a bad businessman which no US bank will loan him money because of his bad business judgement. He had to go to Deutsche Bank--who's been investigated for illegally laundering Russian money--to get funding.
Why is that, Ken?
Regardless of party choice, the point I agreed with is that we should make our choices based on voting for someone, not against someone.
Understood GA, and I agree that is always preferable
But right now the bigger issue is that we have a select group in control of the Democratic Party (and the DNC) and all they are doing is harming the American people, until they are outed, the Democratic Party will never serve the interests of the American people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/09/us/p … esses.html
https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/democrats … p-hostage/
What is the point of winning... if you replace Trump with someone "somewhat better"?
And to be clear, I do not think Biden is any better, on any level. But for arguments sake what do you get with replacing a creep with a cretin?
Its no wonder we have been stuck with these perverse power hungry psychopaths in control of DC for so long... if you think you are actually making a change by putting in Biden... he is nothing if not the epitome of all that is wrong in DC.
There was hope, the pendulum swung to Obama and then it swung back to Trump. Obama found that the establishment was not something he could crack, he fell in line. Trump is a rogue, he has been a wrecking ball, exposing many players who are now gone and doing extensive damage to the corrupt cronies who sell their votes or their positions to the Chinese, or Big Pharma, or Big Oil... he is putting them all at risk, he is pulling the wool off the eyes of America, the politicians and the media that supports them do not work for the interests of average Americans.
And you want to go BACK from where we are now, to before Trump and before Obama with Biden?
Electing Biden will do the OPPOSITE of moving us one step closer to real change in our government. Electing Biden will reinforce the corrupt system and they will eliminate any chance of a populist or revolutionary movement taking hold in America for the good of the people.
Biden must lose, and must lose overwhelmingly.
Only then can the Democratic Party be broken apart, only then can the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, the Clintons all be washed away, and new ideas and new younger voices come forward to lead the Party in a new direction.
If Biden wins against Trump, that never happens.
That is what I fear that there may not be enough daylight between Biden and Trump to offer the electorate any real choice.
We are always going to differ about who is the least palatable, Trump or Biden, and all things being equal and considering the fact that I loathe Right wing philosophy and ideology, I am going to get less of that with Biden over Trump, of that I may be sure. And we spoken enough for you to understand why.
NO, I want to move forward with either Bernie or Liz. But that is not in the cards now, but I will not consider any right wing candidate or advocate, out of the question and that is what Trump is. Now, that is going backwards.
New ideas? Make the Dems out to be more GOP in attitude and outlook? More DINOs, I think not.
I should confess I live in a blue state that Biden will win without question, so I can rest easy that my write in vote will not affect the delegate count for Biden.
I have to say I have the same thoughts. I must say I am not sure how after the uproar many have made about Trump in regards to sexual abuse allegations, as well as alligations on how his family is profiting from his presidency, can now ignore, and explain away all of the same allegations that now haunt Biden. It seems very hypocritical.
"I can't see how you people can vote for a guy like Biden." Is this what you meant to say, Shar?
"It seems very hypocritical."
NO, I did not try to project that I could not see how people could vote for a guy like Biden. I wondered how after all the uproar over Trump's sexual obligations how some now could ignore the same allegation now lobbed at Biden, just explain them away. Neither did I point any one person out. I was really going to name the media. But, saw no reason to point out the culprit. After all, the media really came down very hard on Trump for his treatment of women. Yet they are not really saying much about Biden's little problem with Ms. Reade.
Not sure why you would think I would think those thoughts. I voted for Trump. Would I not be setting myself up to be called a hypocrite? So, I certainly would understand how if a person wanted to vote for Biden could set aside sexual allegations and just vote for him for other reasons. Like an agenda or whatever they found tipped the table in his direction.
Just a thought but maybe more Dems will understand my view just a bit better. I never hid my reasons for voting for Trump. Now did I?
"Its a statement about where the Democratic Party is..."
That isn't true. Its a statement about where the country is - and how much 'against Trump' it is. If this were a normal election year - Bernie or Elizabeth would probably be the Dem nominee.
Joe is the mediocre middle ground that enables #NeverTrumpsters, Independents and Democrats alike to unite behind to oust Trump.
Next election comes the big changes with the more risque, shiny ideas.
One thing at a time.
Joe is a more loathsome and corrupt human than Trump... in addition he is suffering from dementia or some similar form of failing cognitive ability.
The guy sniffs and fondles little girls. I am not overlooking that because idiot-box channels like CNN and MSNBC have been on an unholy crusade against Trump.
What does Biden represent if not himself... a corrupt, perverted old man who is going senile. Sorry, there is no viable excuse for voting for such a person.
To get rid of Trump you say? Biden is worse, he is even more unfit than Trump. That is the reality, whether you accept that truth or not.
Happy to cut & paste this from above (not mine), its that good: "It should be funny but it's actually truly sad to see Trump defenders trying to say Biden's character is unacceptable. You all set the bar so low that there will likely never be a candidate whose character you can criticize without sounding absolutely ridiculous. This is the nasty bed you all made for yourselves. Have fun trying to pretend you suddenly care about character because only other self- deluded Trumpers will buy it. The rest of us will just laugh. Or shake our heads in pity and disbelief."
Honestly, I'm not surprised, as I expected this to happen anyways.
Hey, I must eat my words. I predicted President Obama would not endorse Biden. I can't make an assumption of why the PO endorsed Biden. He did it, so I will keep in mind what he said. And hold him to his words further down the road. I hope he remains true to what he stated. I always felt PO honest, and one that stuck to his values. Can't comment on will the endorsement help Biden.
Every American should watch this video of Obama endorsing Biden, at least from about 9:45 on.
He wanted to back the popular candidate, Kenna. Why bet on a losing horse?
I think that sums it up pretty well, Randy. Haha. You might say he was just Biden his time...
'oh gawddd' So corny . . . but so good. ;-)
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles … awsuit.pdf
https://www.businessinsider.com/women-a … carroll-21
Just a hint is all you needed.
"But I never saw anything hinting at his being a pedophile... which to me is the most sick and vile of people, nothing comes a close second, but that's my thing."
Very disturbing, Epstein... At some point I will follow up on that lawsuit info, I will probably not like what I find, which is that Trump is as twisted as Clinton and Biden.
To be clear I never gave a crap about what went on between him and porn stars, or grown women who would put themselves in situations that were open to sexual activities occurring.
I don't go into biker bars at 2am in the morning... common sense and a desire to not be put in harms way
If I were a woman, I wouldn't go up to a guys hotel room at 2am in the morning... common sense and a desire not to be put in harms way.
I have little sympathy for those who have no common sense, or who think they can game the situation to their advantage.
But when you prey on children... you deserve no mercy from the law, or society... really what is more evil than ruining a child's life through harmful acts for personal pleasure?
The gullibility of the left is always amazing to me.
Gee, might want to ask what happened to that lawsuit.
Donald Trump Teen Rape Accuser Drops Suit
The woman who accused Donald Trump of raping her at age 13 has dropped her civil suit against the GOP presidential nominee. The suit alleged that the victim, known only as Jane Doe, was raped at a party thrown by sex offender billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/20 … drops-suit
Seems like someone didn't want to go through the discovery process. Oh, I wonder what the investigators would be able to find about this lady that could be used at trial.
So 25 women "accuse" President Donald Trump. Remember these are accusations. Only accusations. NO police reports, NO lawsuits, just allegations.
Reminds me of the man who alleged he had gay sex with obama. It was just an allegation.
So, yes, there is NO proof, and I will define the word proof if necessary, that President Donald Trump is a pedophile.
There is just as much evidence that obama had gay sex during his marriage.
Trump more than likely settled the case out of court, Mike. He's done this before or either paid the girl enough to drop the charges.
No big surprise as we already know about Stormy and the Playmate. Or perhaps you think they made their stories up? If so, the gullibility of the Right is always amazing to me.
To be fair, I said I would do my due diligence, at some point when I can spend a few hours parsing what credible information I can find.
For me, this accusation is something I have zero tolerance for.
As I stated, what he has done with porn stars I could care less about, the she said he said between two adults who both voluntarily arrived somewhere, I don't care much for.
This is something totally and massively different in my book.
I firmly believe Biden is a pedophile, the thought of him being elected President while people ignore what is practically out in the open because they think its "the better option" sickens me.
But if Trump is such scum himself I guess it doesn't make a difference, truly despicable that if all this is true so many have worked so hard to keep a lid on it. Clinton, Biden, Trump... who else?
Got a link to Biden's pediphilia other than another Youtube video, Ken?
Nah Randy, I'll just do some cutting and pasting, you can figure out where it came from if you want to do the digging.
Following the allegations of sexual harassment of the seven women, and the viral images of Biden ‘groping’ young children, several media outlets have now also claimed that Joe Biden’s college roommate has come forward claiming that Biden admitted to being attracted to children.
According to the reports, Paul Tatchell, Biden’s former roommate, said that “He used to say it was his ‘civic responsibility’ and that if he didn’t choke the chicken’ or ‘clean the hosepipe’ before spending time around children he wouldn’t be able to keep his hands off them [children].”
Tatchell continued, “His attraction to children is also the reason he became a teetotaler,” said Tatchell, explaining that “he realized he couldn’t control himself in public with a few drinks in him.”
Like Hollywood with Weinstein, DC knows about Biden. And a former Secret Service agent assigned to Biden's residence claims that the Service often had to protect women from him.
Best-selling author Ronald Kessler documented Biden’s problem with females in his book The First Family Detail.
The most fascinating part of the video is then-Sen. Jeff Sessions, now U.S. Attorney General, slapping Biden's hand away from a young girl, which suggests Sessions knows Biden is a pedophile. Here's the video:
A New York Times reporter has urged social media giants to censor and scrub all references to Joe Biden being a pedophile. Nicole Perlroth, technology reporter at the NY Times, took to Twitter to slam the social media outlet for failing to ban evidence of Biden touching women and children inappropriately.
In March 2019, former Nevada assemblywoman Lucy Flores alleged that Biden kissed her without her consent at a 2014 campaign rally in Las Vegas. In a New York magazine op-ed for The Cut, Flores wrote that Biden had walked up behind her, put his hands on her shoulders, smelled her hair, and kissed the back of her head. Adding that the way he touched her was “an intimate way reserved for close friends, family, or romantic partners – and I felt powerless to do anything about it.”
I normally agree with you on everything, but I must be consistent. I think you are way off base on this one.
Many things have been alleged against President Donald Trump. I tell people they are allegations and simply because someone makes an allegation doesn't make it true.
I would like to reference the allegations (most later withdrawn) about justice Brett Kavanaugh.
"According to a Senate Judiciary Committee synopsis, the FBI's October 2018 investigation into sexual assault allegations against Brett Kavanaugh did not find any evidence to corroborate or substantiate those claims."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fbi-r … -not-true/
So, unless you have more than he said, she said, I'm going to have to categorize these as simply unsubstantiated allegations.
To me, this is not proof of anything.
I'm not a big fan of Joe Biden. I don't even like him a little bit. I'm just a big fan of getting to the truth.
Yeah right, Mike. The senate Republicans are terrified of Trump's disapproval. We saw this in real time with the Kavanaugh "investigation"--where some who wanted to be interviewed about him--were never contacted--and the Impeachment Senate trial where they were terrified of calling witnesses. A trial is a search for the truth, but the Republicans in the Senate knew this and didn't want to know the truth.
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