Is it just another version of Occupy Wall Street? I failed to understand how a major US city would just allow a group of protesters to take over a section of a city including a police precinct. It is George Orwell's 1984 coming true in front of our eyes and we have city officials standing by helpless or making excuses or even sympathizing with these protesters...
What is their objective? what outcome do they want? and how does this advance civilization?
I know practically nothing about this, Jack, but your question has sparked my curiosity, I'm thinking it may be an experiment on the part of the apparently liberal mayor (Durkan) to allow people to settle their own problems. Like you, I believe in the power of open discussion, of which there seems little actually happening.
Spiritual sources say that the position of "Black Lives Matter" or singling out any particular race as something that needs attention will not work because all life is interconnected in the whole.
From my own life's experience, I learned that the more I complained about something, it seems the worse I made the situation for myself. On the other hand, Gandhi once said about India's trains at the time, "Ride third-class and complain about it." In other words, it was a way of drawing attention to the problem in order to better the conditions of the lower-class travelers.
I don't think the protesters really know what they want, as they are probably fueled by a sense of anger with a kind of need for revenge. If left to their own demise, time will tell whether they will actually begin to seek diplomacy or simply prolong their feeling of injustice and inequity, perhaps adding a few more followers.
In the end, there will be a huge mess to clean. Public services and construction contractors will be needed to rebuild. Should any of the protestors come to their senses, they will realize they have some community service to do. We reap what we sow.
Thank you for posing the question.
P.S. In researching this further, a good portion of the organizers are attempting to offset the modern, urban lifestyle with gardening and helping homeless. There is acknowledgment of city government as a resource and as something needed for guidance. So, curiosity seekers and the media need to step back and let the spark of hope give the outcasts and downtrodden a chance to create something useful.
You don't "create something useful" by taking what others have, and you don't do it by destroying what others have built, either.
Yeah, well, this whole country was created that way, as well as many others.
Pretty Panther is RIGHT about that. America was created by slaughtering the Native population & putting the remnant in "reservations", forcing enslaved Africans to WORK FREE, & taking lands from Mexico. Truth has to be TOLD.
Yes, by changing the meaning she is right.
But is there a country on earth that wasn't created that way? By kicking the natives out and taking land from someone else? Is there anywhere that has not seen slavery at one time or another? America is far, far from the only nation to use those tactics; they have always been common. From the children of Israel taking land from others (biblical) to Rome to America it has been happening.
Actually the United States fought a war with Mexico and part of the treaty involved obtaining land. It was not taken, it was lost in a war. Somewhat like the Conquistadors defeated the Incas and Mayas and took their land including Mexico. The Conquistadors did not give the Incas and Mayas any land to call their own.
Native Americans fought multiple wars with the United States and lost. Winderness is correct. This is the way of the world. It is why there is no more Yugoslavia, the Prussian Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and more.
The slave trade was something that took place around the world. It was especially huge in Africa. There are even places that have slaves today in such countries as Chad, Mali, Congo and others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_i … f%20Congo.
Why don't we acknowledge the thousands of slaves that were owned by thousands of blacks in the United States? Why are we never taught that historical fact?
The main reason the United States was founded was for religious freedom. The Pilgrims had no slaves.
So, maybe learning how to put history in perspective is necessary.
The truth is EVERY civilization in EVERY age was that way.
The Native population warred amongst one another and enslaved one another.
After thousands of years of slavery and slaughter which civilization put an end to it?
Which nation(s) fought to put an end to slavery and have made it illegal throughout much of the world?
Which civilization is now being torn asunder from within, its history erased, and its heroes turned to villains?
Still, this transformation must be done for the greater good, the world cannot move forward in unity under one central government and one international currency until America, its Constitution, and its economy, is surrendered.
And that cannot be done by powers from without, that must be done by revolution from within... which is occurring as we speak. A small spark that is slowly growing into a raging inferno that will not be stopped.
This is how all revolutions start... and the disbelief most Americans have that it could ever happen here, that this is not a serious issue, is exactly what will allow this to grow until it cannot be stopped.
Liberals think we are the worst country in the world while ignoring all the other wrongs done by very bad countries with dictators and tyrants...
We are better than all of them combined and yet they still expect perfection. Well they will always be disappointed.
The problem is far deeper and it is societal-cultural.
We are a nation that now prioritizes emotions(outrage) and political expediency not reason and rationality.
Sciences (STEM) are no longer the main focus on Campuses rather the shift is on SJW and Socialist teachings (you can get a Social Justice Certificate at Harvard all the way to a Masters in Social Justice and Human Rights from ASU Online).
Imagine that... a Masters degree in Social Justice.
Mob mentality drives political action and which laws are enforced or ignored. Our leaders who were once articulate, civil, and inclusive (IE - MLK & JFK) have become emotional and divisive baiters.
People do not see what is truly going on, because they want to disbelieve what is happening right in front of their eyes. They don't want to believe that their news is nothing but propaganda meant to twist the truth.
We can laugh or minimize it, it is what the Germans did to Hitler's small National Socialist group... one minute they were literally nobodies, a smattering of discontents that had no real power.
The next minute they ruled over Germany with an iron fist. Instead of racial purity... this movement is Social Justice... same intolerance, same determination to wipe out all resistance, first from the media (and now internet), then the politicians... then the common people everywhere else.
Very true, to create something new the old must be destroyed.
To create a one world government, a one world currency, and a new world order, we must first tear down the old one that stands in the way, and that would be America, its Constitution, its Sovereignty, its World's Super Power status and the Dollar as the World's Reserve...
Every act of creation begins with an act of destruction.
Good evening Jack. Chaz is the new outlaw post. I suggest that you watch the movie Dr. Zhivago, the 1965 version & you will see what I mean.
Black Lives Matter protestors established the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone about a week ago. It was first put forward as a BLM protest that wanted to defund the police, then abolish the police. Now they have put forth a long list of demands little to do with defunding the police or abolishing the police (although these are still in on the list). They have also change the name from CHAZ to CHOP. ---Capitol Hill Occupied Zone.
They seem to want lots of free stuff, (being sarcastic) and their objectives are to obtain all the free stuff peacefully. Not sure how giving all this free stuff could advance civilization. I can't imagine abolishing law and order would benefit our society. Free everything would have to be paid for in some fashion, not sure how that would work out. I would think we would either print money, and our dollar would be worth Zero, or send the bill to "Big Business". And the capitalist,t big business did not get to be big business cash-rich by giving money away. So, most likely big business would pull up the big tent and leave ... So, would that advance our civilization? Seems very unlikely.
Perhaps they should visit the small business owners whose stores they have trashed and demand that those owners cough up the cash wanted or have their stores trashed. (The protection racket has been used in the past with good results, after all!)
I'm sure it would be particularly effective on the owners who have had their livelihood and life's work burned to the ground by rioters...
I had just hoped the protesters would leave feeling they got their point across. It appears they have no intention of leaving. I expect this to get ugly if the protestors refuse to leave. Although the Mayor and Governor are not pushing for them to leave.
I agree that the citizens that live and have businesses have their rights and they are being violated.
It will not end well for them and progressives. Often, they push too far and must be reigned back. Sooner or later, common sense must take hold and adults have to take over and keep order.
I have come to the conclusion that the people of Washington State need to solve their own problems. it well appears the citizens have little care about a portion of Seattle being taken over, by who knows who... It is well known Washington State is a very liberal state, so this kind of protest does not disturb them.
I don't think the Federal Government should step in, let them have their protest, let Washington St. give in to their demands, and live with the aftermath, whatever it be. It certainly would serve as a good experiment to witness. It might just serve to be a good petri dish for common sense to take hold. One can hope.
I agree, this experiment, either way, will not end well. I hope it just fizzle out, and the protesters will pull up the tent and leave. To me, it is shocking that the people of Seattle have not demanded a solution, especially those that live or do business in the CHOP zone.
They are sheeps. The people that are sympathetic to these protesters are keeping silent due to white guilt. The people who are against this are so silent for fear of being branded racist.
It is a perfect storm.
Just like OWS and the past protests during the WTO meeting, these groups will move out and plot and plan for the next one...emboldened by the lack of response from authorities.
When you give in to the mob, it will only encourage more of the same.
I think eventually the citizens that are living and doing business in the CHOP zone will wake up sooner than later, and demand their space back. And hopefully will learn from this fiasco that the far-left ideology may not be all that they thought it to be.
In regard to them moving on to other areas, they might. But, if they move into any conservative areas they will be met with resistance and I can guarantee if their law enforcement failed them, they would request help from Trump to move them out with the military. Left and right just have different ideas about Constitutional rights. Plus, most have guns... Which makes this all the scarier.
CHAZ is now CHOP... in short its about revolution.
What has been set in motion, will remain in motion.
Live in the present and handle problems with civilly. Oh, and things just don't happen. They are planned.
Just heard on the news. The "leaders" in CHAZ (if there are any) are demanding $50,000,000 that they claim they will then give to those people who have enough melanin in their skin to be called "black" (the people that have been hurt by their escapades apparently don't matter). And they aren't leaving until they get it.
Not sure if the proper term is "blackmail" or something else...just know that it's what bullies (and thieves) do when no one is willing to stop them.
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