Black Lives Matter vs. All Lives Matter

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   Santi Salinasposted 4 years ago

   In addition to the pandemic there is another global issue at hand, racial injustice. As we have seen over the past few weeks, countless innocent Black Americans have been killed by the hands of police or armed white people. However, there is much more to this story that meets the eye. Black disenfranchisement dates back to 1619, when the first African slaves were brought to the US mainland in order to have a free source of labor for landowners. After the Civil War was fought, slaves were freed, but this freedom came at a price. Black Americans would now live with strict social rules known as Jim Crow in order to prevent integration with the white community. After the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed by President Lyndon B. Johnson, people thought that racism and the disenfranchisement of Black Americans had ended, but that is far from true.
   
   From slavery emerged systemic racism, a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions. This affects how minorities in America, especially Black Americans, face issues in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power and education. One significant element of these inequalities is the criminal justice system, which seems to treat Black Americans even worse than convicted criminals. The most brought up injustice in this is the case of Trayvon Martin, an innocent black teenager who was gunned down by George Zimmerman, a white Latino man. Zimmerman faced no repercussions for his crime and was acquitted of all charges and from the outrage emerged a movement that fought to bring justice to the disenfranchised community: Black Lives Matter.
   
   The Black Lives Matter movement is not a political movement in anyway. It is not associated with any political group nor does it aim to put in its own members in office. Rather, the movement is fights for the rights and lives of Black Americans and other minorities. It also draws attention to mass incarceration, social and political inequalities, the racism behind the war on drugs, and even modern day racism that is socially acceptable. While this movement has gained respectable and massive support, it was also met with a counter group: All Lives Matter.
   
   The All Lives Matter group is not a movement that fights for human rights, rather it is a group that fights to discredit the Black Lives Matter movement by accusing it of being too militant, too demanding, and over reactive. In addition, this movement is supported by sexists, racists, homophobic people, and xenophobic individuals.
   
   So before you say All Lives Matter, research the Black Lives Matter movement and see what they are fighting for.

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      Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      This is a history lesson that I am on board with, thanks....

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      wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Is there a reason you set aside and ignored the "countless innocent Black Americans" that have been killed by black people in the last few weeks?

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         Santi Salinasposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I am simply focusing on the history, development and differences of the Black Lives Matter Movement and the All Lives Matter Movement. Crimes within the black community are irrelevant in this post

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            wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Crimes within the black community are irrelevant, or crimes committed by black people?  Certainly the BLM ignores the vast majority of black deaths, presumably because they are committed by black people rather than white.
            
            This sounds like a major case of racism, not a political analysis of BLM vs ALM.

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               Santi Salinasposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I see you fail to understand that BLM is not a political movement, it is a human rights movement. And to answer your question, yes the supporters of the movement recognize that some Black Americans commit crimes, but the sole purpose of the movement is to highlight the disenfranchisement and marginalization of the Black community. The reason that the movement is focused on crimes among Black Americans by white people and police is because these two groups are more likely to get away with it or receive less harsh punishments.

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                  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  "The reason that the movement is focused on crimes among Black Americans by white people and police is because these two groups are more likely to get away with it or receive less harsh punishments."
                  
                  LOL  So the BLM political movement advocates the removal of police or, at a minimum, removal of the ability of police to remove criminals from society.  Specifically the black criminals that are doing the vast majority of crimes against black people.  They don't care about crimes committed by blacks...because people don't need to obey laws as long as their skin is not white? 
                  
                  You want to end the disenfranchisement and marginalization of the black community?  Clean it up!  Get rid of the gangs, teach (force) people to support themselves rather than live off of the work of others.  Put an end to violence in schools.  Teach the value of the family and put an end to single parent families. 
                  
                  The BLM focuses on crimes by races other than black because they want what other races have built...without paying the price for it.  That price includes a crime free society, it includes a culture valuing the family and education.  It includes a strong work ethic.
                  
                  This is a long term problem and requires a long term solution.  There is no "quick fix" - it requires a basic change as much from the black community as from the rest of the people and that's something the BLM refuses to acknowledge as it is so much easier to foment racism and violence.

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                     Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     This is a dopey analysis on your part, Wilderness.
                     
                     BLM was created in response to police brutality and use of excessive force that has been shown to occur in Black communities, this was designed to bring attention to that. If it were a problem for people other than Blacks, where are the videos and evidence?
                     
                     Removing criminals from society does not include shooting unarmed people in the back or restraints and beatings that go beyond what is necessary. This was made obvious and evident with George Floyd's murder. Your Petticoat Junction domicile missed the memo, but the rest of the planet seemed to get the message.
                     
                     This is not about crime committed by criminals, but it does concern abuse by those of law enforcement who are supposed to enforce and apply the law equally. How hard is that to understand?
                     
                     Your bias and bigoted stance comes through loud and clear. We have problems in our communities, but they are not the sole ones by a long shot. But from your standpoint, WE are all residents of ghettos. Your view is as simple as any Dick and Jane primer. What makes you think that Black people don't work? They work harder than you and still get a lot less for their labor. Your thinking is rife with the standard stereotypes expected from provincial people.
                     
                     What is it that OTHER races have stolen, do I need to go there?
                     
                     Your race has stolen millions or acres of land from Indiginous people and given them pox infected blankets and the Coronavirus in return.
                     
                     Your race has stolen years of labor and economic opportunity from my group, putting us all behind the 8 ball in a systemic and structural way.
                     
                     
                     What you don't understand that in this long term solution will require as much reform and correction from the "system" as is rerequired from the black community.
                     
                     So, best you stay in Mayberry, because "no justice, no peace.

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                        wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        "If it were a problem for people other than Blacks, where are the videos and evidence?"
                        
                        Can you possibly be saying that no one that does not have dark skin is murdered by police?  When more whites are killed than all other races combined?
                        
                        "Your Petticoat Junction domicile missed the memo"
                        
                        And your own prejudices may have missed that the vast majority of people, no matter the color, already knows this.
                        
                        "This is not about crime committed by criminals, but it does concern abuse by those of law enforcement who are supposed to enforce and apply the law equally. How hard is that to understand?"
                        
                        No, it is absolutely about crime committed by criminals.  Criminals which wear blue, but criminals nonetheless.  Nor is it about applying the law equally, for BLM has made it crystal clear that it demands different laws for blacks - that they don't accept black people under the same laws as other people.
                        
                        "Your bias and bigoted stance comes through loud and clear."
                        
                        That is hardly worth commenting on, especially considering the racist and biased comments that you post almost daily.
                        
                        "Your race has stolen millions or acres of land from Indiginous people and given them pox infected blankets and the Coronavirus in return.  Your race has stolen years of labor and economic opportunity from my group, putting us all behind the 8 ball in a systemic and structural way."
                        
                        And here you exhibit that very racism and bigotry, for it is not about race.  I did not do those things, yet you will paint me with the brush because of skin color.  It's all about color with you, Credence, and you make that very, very clear.  Many (most, IMO) can and do set the race of a person aside but you use it as the primary, if not the only, thing that matters. 
                        
                        *edit*  I will add that it was your race that sold most of the soon-to-be slaves to the slavers transporting them to the new world.  It was your race that kept slaves in that new world.  It was your race that participated in decimating the natives here - natives that had taken the land from others that came before them and kept slaves themselves.  You might want to think of these things when you go all high and mighty about how terrible my race was.

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                           GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           "*edit*  I will add that it was your race that sold most of the soon-to-be slaves to the slavers transporting them to the new world.  It was your race that kept slaves in that new world.  It was your race that participated in decimating the natives here - natives that had taken the land from others that came before them and kept slaves themselves.  You might want to think of these things when you go all high and mighty about how terrible my race was."
                           
                           Oh shit! Stand back folks. This could get to be as messy as a Gallagher - SLEDGE-O-MATIC!!! routine
                           
                           
                           
                           GA ;-)

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               Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Correct me if I am wrong... I don't believe there is an actual group or organized movement of WLM. It's just a well-used slogan.

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      Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Not sure ALM is an actual group, but just a slogan some have been promoting on social media, and at protests. in my view the slogan is just pointing out a simple fact all lives matter. It should not in any way take away from BLM cause. It should act to bolster it.
      
      Funny, as a white conservative woman I don't associate BLM with the violence that occurs at their rallies. It appears far left and far-right political agitators are responsible for stirring up the violence at their protests.
      
      BLM has had a very clear agenda, and it is to improve systemic racism and have promoted non-violent protests. Their stated purpose---
      
      "#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer. Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives."
      
      Could you offer some sort of proof that there is an actual WLM organization and that they seek to fights to "discredit the Black Lives Matter movement by accusing it of being too militant, too demanding, and over-reactive, In addition, this movement is supported by sexists, racists, homophobic people, and xenophobic individuals."
      
      I can agree that BLM started out not associated with a political group. However, it is well known that the group has many wealthy Democratic donors funding their foundation, Just last week BLM announced ---
      
      "June 11, 2020
      Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation (BLM Global Network Foundation), a US nonprofit global organization active in the US, UK, and Canada is grateful for the generosity and support of donors and is pleased to announce a $6.5 million fund to support grassroots organizing work. This fund is available to all chapters affiliated with the BLM Global Network Foundation. Starting July 1, 2020, affiliated chapters may apply for unrestricted grant funding of up to $500,000 in multi-year grants."
      
      https://blacklivesmatter.com/black-live … zing-work/
      
      https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 … eral-foun/
      
      I would surmise they have a deep alliance with the Democratic party.

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         Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I don't think that there is a white lives matter movement. The term is used just like "blue lives matter" or unborn lives matter"  by those on the Right to divert attention away from the issues that BLM is attempting to  address and to discredit them.
         
         We get support from the Democratic Party because the Republican Party and conservatives in general do not seem to understand the very concepts regarding BLM that you so elegantly explained in your comment.

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            Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Yes. I thought it odd Santi referred to the slogan WLM as a group. Not sure we on the right are using those slogans to take anything away from BLM. I think the sentiments are voiced by conservatives just to point out our thoughts on the importance of what human life means to us. I can see where those on the left could see our uses of those terms as an attempt to discredit their cause. I can only say I support BLM as well as I support law and order and I am antiabortion. I think we should look at one another as complex human beings, with lots of facets that make us multi-faceted individuals.
            
            As human beings, we all have things we find unjust, not acceptable in our society. It is true many  Republicans find abortion a form of unjustified killing, and yes we do tend to support law and order. Your assumption that Republicans use WLM and Blue lives matter as an attempt to discredit BLM could be true of some Republicans, but not all.
            
            And yes being a Republican I have come to realize that some do not understand BLM concepts. This is unfortunate and seems to be part of why change is coming so slowly. The great division of politics keeps the cut deep and wide.
            
            Maybe there is room for.us all to have causes we support., and just be more excepting that we are all uniquely different, but also uniquely the same when it comes to supporting what we think will make up a better world for us to find peace in, to live in without strife. To bury anger, and replace it with understanding. Two very powerful words, but what simple words one describes the problem, and the other the solution.

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               Sychophantasticposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               ALM is definitely a group. We meet every Monday. They make the best muffins.

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            IslandBitesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            There were some rallies. If Im not mistaken, a hubber was there, so he should know.

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